aiming

SpiderWebComm said:
Bob:

Mind you, there's more than what I'm typing here.. I'm only listing partial info. The basis of what I'm saying, center of CB to the edge of the OB, is a fact for every single shot on the table even if you're shooting zero degrees (straight in). I feel stupid speaking in cryptic terms, but I deeply respect the person who invented the system and promised not to disclose (the same way Scott Lee or Randy wouldn't want someone to spout off about how they train and what they do-- as it's proprietary).

My intent for posting anything to begin with was to say there's stuff WAY beyond ghost ball or 6-part aiming systems.

Regards,
Dave

Sounds to me like the DDAS - Delusionaly Dysfunctional Aiming System.

Any 'System' that doesn't pass muster with Geometry is not a valid
system.
What you are describing sounds like fantasy.

Dale
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Aiming "systems" are crutches that usually have to be unlearned to unblock your learning curve. They teach fantasy concepts (like "there are only x shots") that limit you. Avoid them.

pj
chgo

Why would you have to unlern them, Pat? Why not just stop using them when the time is right and you no longer need them? My kid didn't have to "unlearn' riding with training wheels. He just stopped using them when it was time.

Ed
 
SpiderWebbComm:
The aim point is identical for all of your shots above.

You aim every shot the same way, but somehow the balls know to go one way on one shot and another way on the next? I see how this system works: your balls are reading your mind.

pj
chgo
 
emccune said:
Why would you have to unlern them, Pat? Why not just stop using them when the time is right and you no longer need them? My kid didn't have to "unlearn' riding with training wheels. He just stopped using them when it was time.

Ed
Because you didn't tell your kid that all bikes have four wheels; you told him that training wheels were to help him learn to ride with two wheels. He didn't have to unlearn leaning the wrong way on turns after you took the training wheels off because he knew the whole point of using them was to help him learn not to.

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
You aim every shot the same way, but somehow the balls know to go one way on one shot and another way on the next? I see how this system works: your balls are reading your mind.

pj
chgo
That's because the aim is the same on them all, straight through the ghost ball, like every other shot, lol...

unknownpro
 
Patrick Johnson said:
You aim every shot the same way, but somehow the balls know to go one way on one shot and another way on the next? I see how this system works: your balls are reading your mind.

pj
chgo

Mock what you don't know... I mocked it too a while back, so it's ok. Don't let your ego get in the way of the superior information. My intention in originally posting was that such a system exists. An unintelligent person will make fun of it (and think he/she knows everything about pool) and play for 50 years and not know it. An intelligent person would go find it.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Mock what you don't know... I mocked it too a while back, so it's ok. Don't let your ego get in the way of the superior information. My intention in originally posting was that such a system exists. An unintelligent person will make fun of it (and think he/she knows everything about pool) and play for 50 years and not know it. An intelligent person would go find it.

Couldn't you give us a little hint of how you shoot a straight-in shot by aiming the center of the cue ball to the edge of the object ball?
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Mock what you don't know... I mocked it too a while back, so it's ok. Don't let your ego get in the way of the superior information. My intention in originally posting was that such a system exists. An unintelligent person will make fun of it (and think he/she knows everything about pool) and play for 50 years and not know it. An intelligent person would go find it.
Sorry if my joke was at your expense. It was meant only as humor.

I've spent lots of time with Hal's systems over several years, spoken with him and his students about them (one in the past week or so), read his own descriptions of them, etc. Even as unintelligent as I am, one thing stands out most clearly to me about Hal's systems: they can't stand the light of day. I'd be happy if you'd illuminate one and prove me wrong.

pj
chgo
 
Pat I think you?re a little too rough on aiming systems but then again I don?t think they should all be clumped together in the same category because some give others a bad name. I feel my method is very accurate and much more than a crutch. I still use it on every single shot I shoot and this is after years of believing aiming was all feel (which it is for those of us blessed with near perfect perception, probably .01% of all players if that) and I had already reached and competed on a professional level. I?m not just saying its good because it?s mine, I started to like it when I saw Jimmy Reid explain the matching contact points and read that Willie use to match up the contact points, alls I did was label the contact points in a manner that makes it easier for us to understand exactly what has to happen to perform a certain shot which also makes it easier for us to recall them & improve our perception of them. I believe throwing out this learned information would be a mistake because the more you use it the better you perception becomes.

Watch me practicing it here (http://joetucker.net/videoschool.html click on the more movies button and then the aiming workout 0-4, should be 0-4.5?s) and you?ll actually see me leaning over to get more exact information on the front of the cue ball from time to time, I really do practice what I preach.

I use 10 major contact points that are all 5mm wide but I don?t just shoot 1?s, 2?s & 3?s, I shoot 1.5?s, 1.25?s, etc, etc, the more you use it the more dialed in you get. As for what about deflection, curve, throw and friction, I do take them into consideration and adjust by the numbers which is a little more specific that saying ?aim a little fuller or thinner?.

It?s not for everyone but I love it and I have had a lot of success with past students and customers and I do hate having to post in these conversations about aiming systems but if I don?t I feel many people may be mislead and miss out on an opportunity that may improve their game.
 
Joe T said:
Pat I think you?re a little too rough on aiming systems but then again I don?t think they should all be clumped together in the same category because some give others a bad name. I feel my method is very accurate and much more than a crutch. I still use it on every single shot I shoot and this is after years of believing aiming was all feel (which it is for those of us blessed with near perfect perception, probably .01% of all players if that) and I had already reached and competed on a professional level. I?m not just saying its good because it?s mine, I started to like it when I saw Jimmy Reid explain the matching contact points and read that Willie use to match up the contact points, alls I did was label the contact points in a manner that makes it easier for us to understand exactly what has to happen to perform a certain shot which also makes it easier for us to recall them & improve our perception of them. I believe throwing out this learned information would be a mistake because the more you use it the better you perception becomes.

Watch me practicing it here (http://joetucker.net/videoschool.html click on the more movies button and then the aiming workout 0-4, should be 0-4.5?s) and you?ll actually see me leaning over to get more exact information on the front of the cue ball from time to time, I really do practice what I preach.

I use 10 major contact points that are all 5mm wide but I don?t just shoot 1?s, 2?s & 3?s, I shoot 1.5?s, 1.25?s, etc, etc, the more you use it the more dialed in you get. As for what about deflection, curve, throw and friction, I do take them into consideration and adjust by the numbers which is a little more specific that saying ?aim a little fuller or thinner?.

It?s not for everyone but I love it and I have had a lot of success with past students and customers and I do hate having to post in these conversations about aiming systems but if I don?t I feel many people may be mislead and miss out on an opportunity that may improve their game.

By the way, I never said that other system was better than yours, Joe, I was just letting people know that a single aim system exists.

A happy JoeT student,
Dave
 
Well Joe's system does not make any wild claims, it's just a way (and a very clever way) to visualize the contact points.

But it seems like people with the holy grail simplified aiming systems never want to explain it. I suppose I can't blame them, although I wonder why they're not on ESPN.
 
PKM said:
Well Joe's system does not make any wild claims, it's just a way (and a very clever way) to visualize the contact points.

But it seems like people with the holy grail simplified aiming systems never want to explain it. I suppose I can't blame them, although I wonder why they're not on ESPN.

The single aim system is really non-traditional. JoeT's system is not only good at pocketing balls super-accurately, but I learned during my lesson how great the system is in knowing "where you're going." It's the only aim system I ever learned that goes beyond aiming, and covers the paths of all balls - not just CB to OB.

By the way, Joe... your break shot info (paired with your aiming system) helped me hit a new high run in 14.1. Thanks -

Dave
 
Memory Shots

berlowmj said:
The "rhythm" thread was so fruitful, I wonder what we might do with aiming. I have been toying with the concept that, as we store the images of 1000s of shots in our brain, we might strive for aiming to become an instinct. That is, we might strive for a situation in which a particular pattern of balls stimulates an identical stored memory and the result is a subconcious alignment of the shot.

Sort of like seeing "dead shots" in a cluster.









I have no need for ANY stored memory shots.


kildegirl
 
Joe T said:
Pat I think you?re a little too rough on aiming systems but then again I don?t think they should all be clumped together in the same category because some give others a bad name. I feel my method is very accurate and much more than a crutch. I still use it on every single shot I shoot and this is after years of believing aiming was all feel (which it is for those of us blessed with near perfect perception, probably .01% of all players if that) and I had already reached and competed on a professional level. I?m not just saying its good because it?s mine, I started to like it when I saw Jimmy Reid explain the matching contact points and read that Willie use to match up the contact points, alls I did was label the contact points in a manner that makes it easier for us to understand exactly what has to happen to perform a certain shot which also makes it easier for us to recall them & improve our perception of them. I believe throwing out this learned information would be a mistake because the more you use it the better you perception becomes.

Watch me practicing it here (http://joetucker.net/videoschool.html click on the more movies button and then the aiming workout 0-4, should be 0-4.5?s) and you?ll actually see me leaning over to get more exact information on the front of the cue ball from time to time, I really do practice what I preach.

I use 10 major contact points that are all 5mm wide but I don?t just shoot 1?s, 2?s & 3?s, I shoot 1.5?s, 1.25?s, etc, etc, the more you use it the more dialed in you get. As for what about deflection, curve, throw and friction, I do take them into consideration and adjust by the numbers which is a little more specific that saying ?aim a little fuller or thinner?.

It?s not for everyone but I love it and I have had a lot of success with past students and customers and I do hate having to post in these conversations about aiming systems but if I don?t I feel many people may be mislead and miss out on an opportunity that may improve their game.
Yeah, I've probably overstated the case, Joe - maybe it comes from only hearing about aiming systems from people who can't seem to describe them. Your system sounds like it might actually make some sense, which makes me want to look into it. I've also always been curious about your breaking stuff, so I appreciate the link.

pj
chgo
 
breakin8 said:
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Here's Hal Houle commenting on Johnny Archer's web site:

"When players write to you, asking how to aim, your pat answer is to say that you get three feet back from the shot, then you shoot parallel lines. That is all hogwash. That is not how you aim. Why don't you level with these recreational players? You use the aiming system whereby you aim the center of the cue ball at the edge of the object ball for any and all shots. You know exactly what I am talking about. We both know about placing the cue tip either left or right of cue ball center, and you know why we do that. Get honest for a change. These recreational players are no threat. Tell them the truth. - Hal Houle

I really don't know why you keep writing about my aiming system. Everybody that is listening, IT IS MY AIMING SYSTEM. I hope this would relieve some pressure that you have. Thanks, Johnny" (emphasis added)

So that's the secret! Now someone take him up further on explaining to the recreational players how and why to do this.
 
Hal sure manages to always stir the pot. lol Center to edge is fine with me as there are 100's of degrees of edges. 75-90 degree cuts are obviously edge to edge or better yet safeties. He is a gentleman and accessible and fun to talk to.
 
PKM said:
Here's Hal Houle commenting on Johnny Archer's web site:

"When players write to you, asking how to aim, your pat answer is to say that you get three feet back from the shot, then you shoot parallel lines. That is all hogwash. That is not how you aim. Why don't you level with these recreational players? You use the aiming system whereby you aim the center of the cue ball at the edge of the object ball for any and all shots. You know exactly what I am talking about. We both know about placing the cue tip either left or right of cue ball center, and you know why we do that. Get honest for a change. These recreational players are no threat. Tell them the truth. - Hal Houle

I really don't know why you keep writing about my aiming system. Everybody that is listening, IT IS MY AIMING SYSTEM. I hope this would relieve some pressure that you have. Thanks, Johnny" (emphasis added)

So that's the secret! Now someone take him up further on explaining to the recreational players how and why to do this.
Do what?

pj
chgo
 
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