Alex vs. Shane - Is this true?

p1noy

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Heard some rumors about Alex beating Shane in less than 3 hours, playing 10 ahead set for 10k? And Shane didn't want to play Alex for another set after that?

Disclaimer: None of the information or details provided on this inquiry are confirmed, and that is the reason why I posted this thread.:confused:
 
Roy Steffensen said:
Yes, he won it in a little less than 2 hours I suppose it was. It's in another thread on this forum.

Do you know where this match took place?
 
Roy Steffensen said:

Before even clicking on the link, I knew it would say the following"

" then, get this, Alex wins the next 6 racks to take the match down in an hour and 46 minutes. "

I don't know why the poster wrote "then, get this" as though putting on a 5-7 pack is surprising as the reason why one or the other relatively evenly matched opponents wins in the winner breaks format.

Of all the winner breaks matches I've seen over my 40 years sweating and playing the game, I would guess that AT LEAST 70 percent of winner breaks ahead sets are won by putting on packs while the other player...often of world champion status, sits there and watches...unable to COMPETE for the rest of the so-called match.

The "pack factor" is less in races to 11 or so only because it often takes more than 20 racks before one player cathes a gear and PLENTY of luck to end up with a makable ball after the break. But even in races to 11, I'll bet that 60% are won with 3-4 packs being shot sometime during the race.

Anyone have any statistics on the "pack factor" in winner breaks tournament play?

Personally, I think players at the championship level are unwise to play winner breaks.

I either of the players TRULY thinks he has the best game, then he should want a GUARANTEE that he will have a turn at the table every other rack...period.

As SVB just learned, any other strategy just gives the lesser opponent a chance to put his lights out while he sits there defenseless.

I am NOT saying I think SVB is better than Alex and I am a MAJOR Alex fan. What I am saying is I think SVB thinks he is better or he wouldn't be gambling with him.

That being the case, why in the WORLD give the opponent ANY chance to catch a gear and drill your nuts???????

One could argue that SVB had just as much a chance to put a pack on Alex and that is true. But it STILL gets down to who gets the luckiest first and gets the opening shot AND the layouts that permit 6 or 7 packs.

If you think you are the better player...the CORRECT PLAY is to ELIMINATE as much luck from the match as possible.

Conversely, if you think you are NOT the better player then you SHOULD play winner breaks.

Finally, if you are WAY the better player and are giving weight then you should play winner breaks...AND ahead sets and give the wild 7 to any chump who thinks that will do him any good.

If you need the 7 ball, then you're not running 8 balls consistently and are a 5-1 underdog to EVER run 6 or 7 racks. So, at any time that the shortstop or better player gets to 4 ahead, he is the favorite to win but when the banger gets to 4 ahead, odds are the match will go back to even before long.

Winner breaks ahead sets are just a hustle move in weighted matches and I am AMAZED that so many veteran players and rail birds don't understand that.

Just my $0.02.

Jim
 
So you don't think a 6 pack (unfinished) is something special huh? This is 10 ball pls. take note. How soon he came up with it is just as amazing.

They played 10 ahead becuase thats how they wanted to play.
 
av84fun

Are you saying they should play 10 ahead alternating breaks so nobody can take advantage of the "pack factor"? Sounds like a never-ending story to me..
 
I was the poster who posted the results from Chattanooga...a few things though.

1st off, I never said alex put a 6 pack together, just that he won 6 racks in a row. Shane had opportunities at the table, but couldn't get comfortable and in gear. 2nd, if u dont think that a 6 pack is not anything special, then u obviously know something about the 10 ball break that most everybody doesn't. 3rd, as far as alternating breaks vs. Winner breaks, when u have 2 players who shoot at that speed, they WANT the ability to get in gear and put packages together. Alternating breaks do not give anyone the option to get in gear. I suppose that you would prefer that in straight pool the player who finishes out a rack has to give up the break shot to his opponent too if he broke that rack? There would be max runs of 28 balls. Whoop dee frikkin doo. That's how much sense standardizing alternating breaks sounds to me. As a neutral spectator, when I'm watching a matchup between two high level players, I want to see packs put together.


Just my $.02
 
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av84fun said:
I am NOT saying I think SVB is better than Alex and I am a MAJOR Alex fan. What I am saying is I think SVB thinks he is better or he wouldn't be gambling with him.



Just my $0.02.

Jim



Weird, because Alex must be thinking the same, why? After 3 conciertos for 5 dimes each were he lost
to SVB each and everytime, he couldn't get enough of Shane and played him on again, and again and again...
 
gopi-1 said:
Weird, because Alex must be thinking the same, why? After 3 conciertos for 5 dimes each were he lost
to SVB each and everytime, he couldn't get enough of Shane and played him on again, and again and again...


A good thing he did too, cause Alex has won the last 5 sets that they've played. Alex told Shane, ( and I heard this in Chattanooga myself), that he was going to follow SVB around and play him wherever he goes.
 
Shane and Alex playing 10 ahead 10ball with alternating breaks would be hilarious.

TAR could do a ppv of it. A WEEK LONG PPV. It would basically be who collapses first.
 
Alex back in Manila?

Dagwoodz said:
A good thing he did too, cause Alex has won the last 5 sets that they've played. Alex told Shane, ( and I heard this in Chattanooga myself), that he was going to follow SVB around and play him wherever he goes.

Is it true that there was a refusal from Shane to play Alex for some more sets? Now THIS is weird coz last time I heard, Shane WAS looking for action and WAS willing to play anybody..:rolleyes:
 
bruceree said:
Shane and Alex playing 10 ahead 10ball with alternating breaks would be hilarious.

TAR could do a ppv of it. A WEEK LONG PPV. It would basically be who collapses first.

That format might sound stupid but I would still watch that PPV.:)
 
p1noy said:
Is it true that there was a refusal from Shane to play Alex for some more sets? Now THIS is weird coz last time I heard, Shane WAS looking for action and WAS willing to play anybody..:rolleyes:

not sure what happened but just because you quit after gettin beat a set for 10k doesn't mean your stiil not looking to play(anybody)
 
That night in Chattanooga Shane did the smart thing by realizing he wasn't shooting his best that night and declined a second set.
 
Dagwoodz said:
That night in Chattanooga Shane did the smart thing by realizing he wasn't shooting his best that night and declined a second set.


So you mean that when Alex lost the first set when they played at DCC he wasn't smart enough to declined the second set? ..I think SVB is not a good player at all...Alex has the heart of a "LION" ..MEOW...MEOW!!! I MEAN ...GROWWWWLLLLLL :D :D :D
 
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Shane is not a good player at all??

The Beginner said:
So you mean that when Alex lost the first set when they played at DCC he wasn't smart enough to declined the second set? ..I think SVB is not a good player at all...Alex has the heart of a "LION"


ok...wow. I agree that Alex has more heart than most people out there, but common sense would tell you that when you arne't having a good night, and you aren't feeling well, to stop the bleeding when you can. From what I understand, at DCC both players were playing well and Shane came out on top. Vice-versa in Nashville. Shane did not look like he was comfortable at the table that Sunday night in Chattanooga. He might have been feeling under the weather. Don't know, didn't ask him, wasn't my business. But if you put your money on the light when you're not feeling right about something, then you're just throwing your money away, and that's just idiocy.
 

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Dagwoodz said:
From what I understand, at DCC both players were playing well and Shane came out on top. Vice-versa in Nashville. Shane did not look like he was comfortable at the table that Sunday night in Chattanooga. He might have been feeling under the weather.

most players do look uncomfortable when they're losing.

i think svb is awesome, on and off the table, but it seems like the going trend around this forum is to glorify him as the greatest whenever he happens to beat somebody and make excuses for him when he loses.

shane will get out-played on any given day just like all champions, nobody's that good.

except maybe efren...
 
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