Alias or Real People ?

would you like a forum using real names,alias nicknames, or both

  • real names

    Votes: 36 26.5%
  • alias nicknames

    Votes: 29 21.3%
  • both

    Votes: 71 52.2%

  • Total voters
    136
blah blah said, "but my coup de grace: you still don't have my full name, yet you're paying attention to my thoughts... uh- oh, there's that tartness coming in! : )"

That one got a belly laugh. And I have no answer. :grin:

Oh I also note that I lose if you have been watching the poll over time.:frown:
 
There is also the issue of industry backlash when certain topics are raised on the forum.

I can think of numerous situations where the business of pool is not all that pretty, and if certain people were to speak up under their real names, they would almost certainly suffer backlash at the hands of the people who have the power who want to silence them.

What pool player in his right mind is gonna open his mouth and speak out about corruption or favoritism or some other problem within an organization or with a promoter or what have you, when that would only end up in taking money out of his pocket in the long run.
Especially when you have a pool culture that tends to glorify the good things about pool, yet sweep all the bad things under the rug, which would most likely result in nothing being done, and the whistle blower suffering in the long run.
If anything, people will want the someone to sign their name to whatever accusation is brought up, and as we've just seen, it seems pool players aren't always willing to do that. As such, anonymity might not be great for testimony, but it can surely point peoples scrutiny in the right direction so that more people take notice in the future.

Some issues will always need to be addressed, and anonymity sometimes provides the ideal format for it while protecting the individual.
 
blah blah said, "but my coup de grace: you still don't have my full name, yet you're paying attention to my thoughts... uh- oh, there's that tartness coming in! : )"

That one got a belly laugh. And I have no answer. :grin:

Oh I also note that I lose if you have been watching the poll over time.:frown:

I have truly enjoyed our debate this afternoon. Thank you for a lovely Friday, Joe, and may you have a wonderful weekend.

: )
 
Well, as usual Hu and now Superstar got a few pretty good licks in there too. Off to dinner with my wife. Catch you all later :rolleyes:
 
Joe definitely didn't consider that licks

Well, as usual Hu and now Superstar got a few pretty good licks in there too. Off to dinner with my wife. Catch you all later :rolleyes:


Joe,

You are in my short list of respected posters on this site, definitely didn't mean to be piling on or getting in licks. Out of town company today, out of state phone calls, and the usual things to get done before the weekend. Some of the things I am reading or posting in have been open quite awhile before I hit enter.

Even when I don't agree with your opinion I always respect it and the way you present it. The vast majority of the time I do agree with your opinion or see things from a very similar perspective.

Hu
 
Years ago, I believed that only real names should be used in internet forums. Then 3 things happened.

1. Someone took exception to something I said in a post about the town of Cicero, Illinois (I called it a "shot-and-a-beer town"). They sent a nasty fax. Not to me, but to my boss.

2. A coworker started making it obvious she was following my postings, even though I had never told anyone at work that I spent time at the forum in question. Creepy.

3. From discussion with HR reps, I know that they routinely "google" the names of present and prospective employees. They ain't looking for good stuff. And guess what, posts in AZ billiards show up on google searches.

That's enough for me to use an alias.
 
My Bread and Butter is computer security...anonymity is the #1 defense against computer crime..

Real Hackers will get your info if they want it and they can do it right off of this forum..there is really no way to protect yourself from a dedicated hacker with enough time and motivation..

fortunately... they typically have bigger fish to fry. and are motivated by money

the ones you need to worry about are the crackers .. the guys who know just enough to get them in trouble... they can make your life miserable.. just for the fun of it..



I would not have a huge problem posting under my real name in a closed forum that can only be read by the members of said forum..

but this forum is open... only members can post but ANYBODY can read and search..

posting personal info like names addresses and phone numbers is just plain stupid..

for a long list of reasons including

Identity Theft.

Mentally unstable individuals taking exception to something you said and tracking you down.

posting all about your $30,000 cue collection.. could attract an unwanted visitor at 2 am.

I don't mind most of the forum members knowing who and where I am...

but the members are not the ones you need to be worrying about..
 
Joe,

You are in my short list of respected posters on this site, definitely didn't mean to be piling on or getting in licks. Out of town company today, out of state phone calls, and the usual things to get done before the weekend. Some of the things I am reading or posting in have been open quite awhile before I hit enter.

Even when I don't agree with your opinion I always respect it and the way you present it. The vast majority of the time I do agree with your opinion or see things from a very similar perspective.

Hu

I meant it in a good natured way and took no offense. A good point and the truth is what it is -- as some would say.

BTW I sure would like an 8-Ball with the square route of 64 on it -- now that is cool.
 
My Bread and Butter is computer security...anonymity is the #1 defense against computer crime..

Real Hackers will get your info if they want it and they can do it right off of this forum..there is really no way to protect yourself from a dedicated hacker with enough time and motivation..

fortunately... they typically have bigger fish to fry. and are motivated by money

the ones you need to worry about are the crackers .. the guys who know just enough to get them in trouble... they can make your life miserable.. just for the fun of it..



I would not have a huge problem posting under my real name in a closed forum that can only be read by the members of said forum..

but this forum is open... only members can post but ANYBODY can read and search..

posting personal info like names addresses and phone numbers is just plain stupid..

for a long list of reasons including

Identity Theft.

Mentally unstable individuals taking exception to something you said and tracking you down.

posting all about your $30,000 cue collection.. could attract an unwanted visitor at 2 am.

I don't mind most of the forum members knowing who and where I am...

but the members are not the ones you need to be worrying about..

Softshot

Oops I forgot about the Nut Cases when making my first post about not using your real Name. Everyone has posted something that some one else didn't like. Even with a alias people can find you. The more information you post the more susceptible you become to being Identified. I live is Smallville and play at Joe's Pool Hall with my buddy John Q and you can find me real quick even without Hacking. I am sure people who might know me have figured out who I am on AZ already.

Because we all have common interests, we form quick bonds with other members and Post more Personal information than we should on the WWW for everyone in the world to read. I am guilty and always use a Alias, But that doesn't mean I can't be found.
 
Anonymous posting can facilitate discussion or exchange of information based on what is said rather than who says it. We all tend to view another person’s words and actions through filters. The filters are the preconceptions and prejudices formed by our prior knowledge of that person or other persons with similar characteristics – age, sex, race, nationality, wealth, income, marital status, family history, occupation, avocations, height, weight, and on and on. But with anonymous posting, one’s words have to be evaluated solely in terms of the quality of the thought and expression.

Over time, of course, an anonymous poster creates a posting history or profile that, in itself, creates preconceptions and prejudices that filter what that person subsequently posts.

Obviously, it can be useful to know who the poster is when trying to evaluate the accuracy, wisdom, or credibility of what he is saying. But for most topics, that’s not essential. Whether the poster is Joe Championplayer, Joe Supercuebuilder, or Joe Shmoe, let’s evaluate what is said rather than who says it.
 
I wonder what the majority of azers think about having a real people forum vs the alias forum or both keep it as it is

1. Real people using their own names.

2. Alias nicknames only.

3. Or both, keep it as it is.

I feel like I know and remember people better when I know who they are, and that means knowing a real name.

There are some posters who, for one reason or another, protect their true identity carefully. I can truly understand it. There are histories, livelihoods, etc at stake - sometimes backgrounds people would rather leave behind.

In fact, there is one in particular who I would like to meet one day and I really wish I knew his name. I like what he writes a lot and wished he lived here (he's in the south east). He is knowledgeable and a real straight shooter. I have communicated with him for many years but not once has he used a first or last name. I feel uncomfortable asking him now.

Oh well, them's the rolls.

Chris
 
My real name is on my avatar cue and in the signature.

But I gotta tell ya, it gets tough sometimes having all those gorgeous pool groupies sending love notes to my house and calling me up at all hours wanting to meet at some hotel. There's only so much of me to go around, ya know?
 
Years ago, I believed that only real names should be used in internet forums. Then 3 things happened.

1. Someone took exception to something I said in a post about the town of Cicero, Illinois (I called it a "shot-and-a-beer town"). They sent a nasty fax. Not to me, but to my boss.

2. A coworker started making it obvious she was following my postings, even though I had never told anyone at work that I spent time at the forum in question. Creepy.

3. From discussion with HR reps, I know that they routinely "google" the names of present and prospective employees. They ain't looking for good stuff. And guess what, posts in AZ billiards show up on google searches.

That's enough for me to use an alias.

That's why when I apply for a job I put "fighting on AZB" under hobbies.

:-)
 
I'd like a forum with real names.

I'd also like Ed McMahon to knock on my door with a 7 figure check or have the new off shore bank account that Rachael Uchitel now surely has.

Some posters claim they have a reason for needing to stay anonymous. I'm not sure if that's because they've done some people wrong in the past or what. Maybe this thread will help us understand why some people are "anonies".

I have had people send emails to my wife, had then insult my wife, go through my business records, insinuate that I had a warrant out for my arrest, call my employer, make YouTube videos ridiculing me.....sign me up for endless email lists.....all possible because I disagreed with them online over something AND they knew who I was.

Anyone here remember the famous RSB troll Burntjall or something like that? This is a classic stalking example on the net. When this person picked me as a target I started getting strange phone calls, weird emails, spam out the ass and of course the never ending stalking on RSB.

I wasn't the only one that this nutjob stalked but I had my share of trouble with this nincompoop.

When people don't know who you are they don't stalk you, you aren't worth it to them.

You know why a lot more industry folks don't participate here?

Simply because they have a lot more to lose than the people they are talking to in most cases. All it takes is one good flame war or one determined troll and sure enough they have said something that they can't take back as it's now part of the permanent record.

EVEN if AZ were expunge and delete ALL YOUR POSTS - Google and Yahoo, and all the other search engines are storing everything their spiders touch, as well so is the FBI with their own little spiders out there soaking up all the words on the internet.

Don't fool yourselves for a second to think that you can say or do something on the net that isn't stored somewhere.

And now there are people implementing the type of algorithms that can do very deep human like searches into databases previously unreachable by normal search engine technology.

The last two times I got into a relationship I suggested to my girlfriends that they google me and find out how I deal with online arguments. I had to put it out there before they did it anyway. I googled the girl I wanted to date so I could find out about her. This is the world we live in now and it's not going to get better.

Remember Minority Report? Remember when Tom Cruise's character walked through the city and everything talked to him by name because they scanned his eyes? Well in the future, and probably in the not so distant future, this is the kind of thing that will happen for advertising and for "security". Any hope of real privacy will be gone if you want to LIVE in the everyday world. Your only hope will be to take yourself off the grid and by doing so you will make yourself a target of observation by the "grid".

Look it up.

Right now there are developers making Iphone apps that track your buying activity and mesh that with participating stores so that when you Iphone (and you presumably) are near a store that the software thinks you shop at then the store beams out a greeting to let you know of a sale. That's not far removed from the government being able to track your every movement through a variety of methods.

But aside from all that is simply the very real danger of pyschos and criminals targeting you based on what you reveal.

I was amazed a few years ago that I could go on Google Earth and see the condo I was staying at in Las Vegas with the rental van outside of it in near real time.

So if I were a criminal mastermind then I could set up a clever monitoring system to pick my targets from forums and observe much about them and their lives by what they reveal online. I could know when they would be on vacation, that they often get packages delivered and what those packages are, I could case their house from Google Earth and Google Maps and Google streetview, I could make my plan using real time traffic data complete with construction updates, etc......

In other words the information age is great but it has a darkside to it in that the information that makes our lives "easier" also makes our lives easier to access.

And the one last place where we can be free of that is these discussion forums. By not putting our business on the street we minimize the risk of becoming targets.

And the other thing is that people just don't need to know who you are unless you need to tell them. Me, I sell things, I have to be responsible for the things I sell and I want people to be able to find me when they want things. So I accept the fact that I can be a target as a trade off for being accessible. Some of the other people on here who are known and who frequently get in people's "face" online should truly consider their actions because someday some pyscho might look them up. And no one wants that no matter how tough they think they are.

Anyway, I vote no. But I vote FOR a better community that policies itself by voting the bad apples off the island. Right now the only way to do that is to REPORT BAD POSTS. If you think a post is over the line then report it. It's right next to the REP button. When the mods get enough of those reports then they warn and ban - real simple.

You all in the USA remember the community watch programs? YOu know where neighbors took turns actually watching their neighborhoods for suspicious activity? That did more to lower crimes like burglaries than anything else ever tried. Eventually criminals had to get much smarter about how they robbed houses because the neighbors were looking out for each other.

So let's all just look out for each other. If someone is being a nit then report them. If enough people agree then let them go away for a while. It works for kindergarten and works for forums.
 
i always use a name that reflects my personality .. besides .. on a forum how are you going to enforce it? ... get a valid copy of everyones ID before approving their membership? ...
 
Why does anyone care?

Honestly people get a little too bent out of shape about stuff on this forum. Why should I get pissed off if someone disagrees with me? Why should it even bother me? The answer is, it doesn't. Sometimes I'll get a bit annoyed if I'm disagreed with but they add a shot at me in the process, but that fades pretty quickly. Whether the screen name comes from a baby book, slang or someones imagination it makes no difference. It's all equally meaningless.

You guys knowing my name doesn't give any real indication of who I am. I could be some random guy in New Delhi, or who knows maybe I'm a professional Australian rugby player. Maybe I play great pool, maybe I'm a lifelong D player. You just don't know. Maybe my name isn't even Cameron Smith.

What does matter is the information people put forward. I can generally tell what kind of player they are from their posts. Failing that, I can figure out pretty quickly if they are trying to missrepresent themselves as a better player than they are.

I don't think using real names will really change too much. Anyone who wants to remain anonymous will either use pseudonyms or refrain from posting any other information about themselves (ie. city, country, people they know, rooms they've played in). There will still be pissing contests, which to me is rather sad to see grown adults hurling insults at each other on a message forum. Intelligent debate is one thing, but c'mon.
 
Who was that masked man?

Anonymous posting can facilitate discussion or exchange of information based on what is said rather than who says it. We all tend to view another person’s words and actions through filters. The filters are the preconceptions and prejudices formed by our prior knowledge of that person or other persons with similar characteristics – age, sex, race, nationality, wealth, income, marital status, family history, occupation, avocations, height, weight, and on and on. But with anonymous posting, one’s words have to be evaluated solely in terms of the quality of the thought and expression.

Over time, of course, an anonymous poster creates a posting history or profile that, in itself, creates preconceptions and prejudices that filter what that person subsequently posts.

Obviously, it can be useful to know who the poster is when trying to evaluate the accuracy, wisdom, or credibility of what he is saying. But for most topics, that’s not essential. Whether the poster is Joe Championplayer, Joe Supercuebuilder, or Joe Shmoe, let’s evaluate what is said rather than who says it.
saved me a lot of thinking - you expressed it better than i can

thanx for the excellent post
 
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