All around best american player??

hi

Just an observation, the majors bet isn't a fair bet because john really makes a living at it, while it's just a side hobby for larry. So larry's effectively not betting as much. I dunno what larry does but he basically would have to quit that job (in addition to not entering pro events). BTW what does he do?

Donny woofing at john was a little surprising. If Donny's RYO 9b wasn't enough to put down shane, I would think last 2 against john is pretty risky. That's some gamble. I actually half though he was maybe making the offer to bartrum at first.

I feel for john, he had Danny calling him no heart spineless coward etc etc and now he's got suprnevel riding his ass. John's proud of how he can actually make a living doing what he loves, and how he manages his money. Maybe one of the reasons he can do that is he doesn't let stuff like that get under his skin. Meanwhile, the guys who apparently DO let stuff get under their skin, like larry and danny, apparently aren't enjoying the same level of pool success as john.

thanks creedo thats a very astute observation.
 
Cliffs notes:

Ronnie Allen was better than Efren.

Efren was better than Ronnie.

14.1 is a tough and beautiful game.

14.1 is only played by communists and fags.

Larry Nevel is god, Schmitty is a heartless worm.

Schmitty is god Nevel is a crazy psycho

Bartram plays poker

Thats about it pretty much.

Thanks, you made me laugh. :D
 
running 8 racks is just unlikely because you got to get shot on lowest ball which is luck.

Yep. Some people are confusing "unlikely" and "difficult." Tossing a coin and getting 10 heads in a row is unlikely - it's not difficult. If you spend enough time tossing coins, a string of 10 will show up eventually. This is something like what you're relying on to get a clear shot at the 1 ball. Once top pros have a good opening shot they're expected to run out. In 14.1 a 200 ball run never presents itself by chance - you have to make it happen.
 
hi

Yep. Some people are confusing "unlikely" and "difficult." Tossing a coin and getting 10 heads in a row is unlikely - it's not difficult. If you spend enough time tossing coins, a string of 10 will show up eventually. This is something like what you're relying on to get a clear shot at the 1 ball. Once top pros have a good opening shot they're expected to run out. In 14.1 a 200 ball run never presents itself by chance - you have to make it happen.

exactly and you worded it much better then me.


for the record running 8 racks of 10ball even with bih to start is great.just not as hard as running 200 at 14.1.

im biased because youve kinda agreed with me and defended me but honestly whoever you are you know what your talking about.

nothing ive seen you post is anything but spot on. id be willing to bet your a real good player because you make total sense when you talk which on azb is a rare thing at times lol.
 
This is all starting to getting as boring and pointless as 14.1. John jumps in this thread, talks shit about Larry and Larry wants him to back it up. John knows he can't win in anything but 14.1 so more bashing occurs so that he can keep up his hero image. Other people love John because he's won some titles and don't see that he's really an ass hole (of course there are some very respected people from these forums that have told me they agree with me on that point so it's all good) so those people jump on the bashing bandwagon. Rinse and repeat.

John, the offer is on the table anytime you want it. Pick any game, or any 3 games, from the following list, put your money up, play. Pretty simple. 8-ball, 9-ball, 10-ball, one-pocket, banks. Those are your choices. Enough woofing about 14.1 because I don't think Danny Harriman even posts on AZ anymore and he's your only American action at it. And if you want to talk in Vegas or even in private to try and make a game from here on out I'm cool with that too.

I'm taking off for the day to do something that actually means something and will result in only good things, spending time with my daughter and fiancee. I look forward to all the bashing I take for this post when I get home.

Have a good day everyone!
 
hi

This is all starting to getting as boring and pointless as 14.1. John jumps in this thread, talks shit about Larry and Larry wants him to back it up. John knows he can't win in anything but 14.1 so more bashing occurs so that he can keep up his hero image. Other people love John because he's won some titles and don't see that he's really an ass hole (of course there are some very respected people from these forums that have told me they agree with me on that point so it's all good) so those people jump on the bashing bandwagon. Rinse and repeat.

John, the offer is on the table anytime you want it. Pick any game, or any 3 games, from the following list, put your money up, play. Pretty simple. 8-ball, 9-ball, 10-ball, one-pocket, banks. Those are your choices. Enough woofing about 14.1 because I don't think Danny Harriman even posts on AZ anymore and he's your only American action at it. And if you want to talk in Vegas or even in private to try and make a game from here on out I'm cool with that too.

I'm taking off for the day to do something that actually means something and will result in only good things, spending time with my daughter and fiancee. I look forward to all the bashing I take for this post when I get home.

Have a good day everyone!

i got one more question,would you like to stake larry to play me 14.1.just wondering.
 
i got one more question,would you like to stake larry to play me 14.1.just wondering.

Fine, **** it! You want to play him 14.1, you got action! You play 100 no-count though. That of you guys can play even but all your balls have to be shot in the side pockets.

Have a good one!
 
I just realized that there are quite a few people on here that like themselves.

I guess it's good to be happy with who you are, huh?

With ALL games, with everyone at their best, I think James Walden should be thrown into the mix. But, Shannon would be my pick when ALL games count.

By the way, John, I respect and surely think 14.1 is a very hard game. But, I would rather watch an apple tree grow from a seedling than watch or play it. And before anyone says anything about "Oh, and it's just too hard and you can't play it" I'm not helpless at all. I just don't enjoy it, therefore, I don't play it. I truely don't know five people in the Carolinas who play it on the norm.
 
hi

Fine, **** it! You want to play him 14.1, you got action! You play 100 no-count though. That of you guys can play even but all your balls have to be shot in the side pockets.

Have a good one!

all right ill play bring your minivan and post your 30 dollars .he has no chance like that.

hey superloser im starting to get the sense that you dont like me.


p.s. i can beat larry at armwresting but i dont feel like it.
 
hi

I just realized that there are quite a few people on here that like themselves.

I guess it's good to be happy with who you are, huh?

With ALL games, with everyone at their best, I think James Walden should be thrown into the mix. But, Shannon would be my pick when ALL games count.

By the way, John, I respect and surely think 14.1 is a very hard game. But, I would rather watch an apple tree grow from a seedling than watch or play it. And before anyone says anything about "Oh, and it's just too hard and you can't play it" I'm not helpless at all. I just don't enjoy it, therefore, I don't play it. I truely don't know five people in the Carolinas who play it on the norm.

no hard feelings. i like the other games to. frankly its boring but still probably the most difficult game to play great.


i think all pool games are boring thats why nobody cares about pool. snookers boring too but its hard and 14.1 is hard and requires alot of skill.

to say its boring dont hurt my feelings to say its easy now thats not a true statement.
 
hi

I just realized that there are quite a few people on here that like themselves.

I guess it's good to be happy with who you are, huh?

With ALL games, with everyone at their best, I think James Walden should be thrown into the mix. But, Shannon would be my pick when ALL games count.

By the way, John, I respect and surely think 14.1 is a very hard game. But, I would rather watch an apple tree grow from a seedling than watch or play it. And before anyone says anything about "Oh, and it's just too hard and you can't play it" I'm not helpless at all. I just don't enjoy it, therefore, I don't play it. I truely don't know five people in the Carolinas who play it on the norm.

go to new york ,theres 12.000.000 people and almost everyone of them that plays pool know 14.1.

thats why if we took the best 500 players from new york they would rob the best 500 players from other states.
 
no hard feelings. i like the other games to. frankly its boring but still probably the most difficult game to play great.


i think all pool games are boring thats why nobody cares about pool. snookers boring too but its hard and 14.1 is hard and requires alot of skill.

to say its boring dont hurt my feelings to say its easy now thats not a true statement.

You know what? I guess that's where I am with pool. I finally got to the point where I can match up with most, and now there's not any action unless I'm playin' a champion. I'm bored with the whole "pool thing" too. People that could play even, won't. I give up the nuts and have to outrun it, or play a guy who doesn't work for a living and travels. Not good options, either way. Maybe I need a break. All this matching up just isn't worth it any more. 90% of games played are decided before they begin. The rare ten percent doesn't happen often enough to deal with all the shit involved. I need a break.
 
go to new york ,theres 12.000.000 people and almost everyone of them that plays pool know 14.1.

thats why if we took the best 500 players from new york they would rob the best 500 players from other states.

I don't enjoy the game enough to walk up to the counter and get the balls, much less to "go to NY."
 
CreeDo...I'll tell ya what Nevel DOESN'T do! He doesn't play professional pool for a living (he came out publically at least a year or two ago, and said, truthfully, that he was quitting pro pool because he couldn't make a living at it)! John Schmidt, on the other hand, not only makes a nice living (although I'm sure he'd like it to be a LOT nicer! :D) being a professional player; but has "cleaned up his act" (for lack of a better descriptive term), and landed himself a coveted spot on a high profile group (Team C.S.I.), with two other high profile players (Earl and Corey). I just wish he'd quit woofing with suprjerk, and just let it die. If Larry really wanted to play John, he'd reach out to him on his own, without some loudmouthed alleged representative.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Just an observation, the majors bet isn't a fair bet because john really makes a living at it, while it's just a side hobby for larry. So larry's effectively not betting as much. I dunno what larry does but he basically would have to quit that job (in addition to not entering pro events). BTW what does he do?
 
hi

I don't enjoy the game enough to walk up to the counter and get the balls, much less to "go to NY."

im not being sarcastic but i bet if you bumped into me 10 years ago,you would have learned 14.1 like i did .became i 100 ball runner regardless if you thought the game was boring or not.

then all these guys who travel and play you could have beaten even.

i did not take up 14,1 because i liked it either. i thought it was lame but bob hunter told me get to were you can run 100 a few times a week and you will hardly ever book a loser playing 9ball.

also i knew along time ago that gambling and giving up spots gets old.
winning tourneys and beating people even is much more rewarding and less aggravating.

just take a break and rejuvanate your mind and youll be fine.

kudos to you though for matching up and taking some lumps along the way.thats a good way to improve and im sure your a solid player already ,hang in there.
 
im not being sarcastic but i bet if you bumped into me 10 years ago,you would have learned 14.1 like i did .became i 100 ball runner regardless if you thought the game was boring or not.

then all these guys who travel and play you could have beaten even.

i did not take up 14,1 because i liked it either. i thought it was lame but bob hunter told me get to were you can run 100 a few times a week and you will hardly ever book a loser playing 9ball.

also i knew along time ago that gambling and giving up spots gets old.
winning tourneys and beating people even is much more rewarding and less aggravating.

just take a break and rejuvanate your mind and youll be fine.

kudos to you though for matching up and taking some lumps along the way.thats a good way to improve and im sure your a solid player already ,hang in there.

John, go ride a motorcycle or something! You have too much time on your hands! :thumbup:
 
John, go ride a motorcycle or something! You have too much time on your hands! :thumbup:

been on a bike everyday for 6 months ,getting tired of it.
havent played tourney in about a month but going on a 30 day trip on sunday.

but yeah im bored and have been for 30 days.

i wont be on az for at least a month so later gators
 
one guy runs 22 and the other guy runs 400! the 22 rails on 400 for the game being too easy! isn't that like felix milan railing on frank robinson over homeruns? " I coulda hit 400, its easy, I just didn't hit the ball far enough":confused:
 
running 8 racks is just unlikely because you got to get shot on lowest ball which is luck.


how about this ill play ten ball, break them take ball in hand to start.

another player can play 14.1 with ball in hand on every breakball and i promise i run 8 racks of 10ball before they run 200.

running 72 in numerical order is easier then 200 in 14.1 ,it just seems harder because you have to get lucky and get shot on 1 ball.
to run 8 racks of 10ball takes way more luck off break,14.,1 you have to get position on like 15 breakballs and make them.200 is harder i promise then running 10ball in order because you dont have to leave break ball you rack them up and bust them.


once again im saying running 8 racks at 10ball is more unlikely but not harder.only reason is because you have to get shot on 1ball.

if you fix that problem by giving player ball in hand after 10ball break you would see top players could run 8 racks of 10ball way more often then running 200.
ill even give them bih on bb in 14.1 every rack and believe me thats huge because thats the toughest shot eack rack usually.

also in 14.1 your not shooting randomly,you have to set up for breakball and break rack out ,with tons of tight pos,clusters etc etc.funny thing to me but all the guys on tour who say 14.1 is boring and easy have high runs of like 67,and when they play the game they look like their head is going to explode.

Very well said John and I have to agree with you. There is alot of luck playing rotation games simply because you have to make a ball on the break and get a shot on the one ball.

Its to bad that 14.1 isn't played much any more since it is a very tough game.
 
all right ill play bring your minivan and post your 30 dollars .he has no chance like that.

hey superloser im starting to get the sense that you dont like me.


p.s. i can beat larry at armwresting but i dont feel like it.

You don't think he can win with you playing 100 no-count or with you having to shoot all your balls in the side pocket? By the way, the 100 no-count is just for you. All his runs count. You're obviously a better 14.1 player than he is (you're the best in the US) so to play a game that you're so far above him in, he needs weight. I need to know which game you'd prefer.

Oh, and as for not liking you, that's the understatement of the year!

Also, I came across this interview you did stating that you're favorite game to gamble at is one-pocket and you've won over $200k at it. You also say that your favorite game to practice is 14.1, but you like to gamble at that too. So if your favorite game to gamble at is one-pocket and you've made so much money playing it, why don't you want to play Larry some one-pocket? I'm just hoping for a serious answer out of you and not something to make yourself look tough or for you to dodge the question. If it truly is his attitude, just say so. No harm, no foul. Oh, and here's the interview in case you want to say that you never said any of that stuff. http://www.pooldawg.com/article/pooldawg-library/john-schmidt-interview

The offer is still there to play any game that's not 14.1, even.
 
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