All Ball Foul Rule Change ?

Colin Colenso

Colin Colenso

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I just re-read the rules concerning IPT fouls: Here they are:

12.0 Fouls-
All fouls result in the opponent of the player who committed the foul being awarded cue ball in hand. The following are fouls:

a. All ball fouls- if a player touches any ball in any way other than a legal stroke; any touching of the cue ball with a mechanical bridge, body part, piece of clothing, chalk, or anything related to the shooter.
b. Cue ball scratches or comes to rest off the slate surface.
c. Any intentional moving, striking, disrupting, of any ball on the table at any time using any body part, element or device.
d. Marking the table in any way with a piece of chalk or any other method.

I remembered that at the KOH it was legal to touch balls with the bridge hand or clothing. Cue Ball fouls only I think it was called.

It seems this has changed.

I also wonder whether they have changed the rule for using the cue shaft to move the CB with BIH? There were quite a few fouls from this at the KOH event and it didn't seem too popular with the players.

Does anyone know if this was enforced at the qualifiers, or was the rule changed?

Colin
 
Colin Colenso said:
I just re-read the rules concerning IPT fouls: Here they are:

12.0 Fouls-
All fouls result in the opponent of the player who committed the foul being awarded cue ball in hand. The following are fouls:

a. All ball fouls- if a player touches any ball in any way other than a legal stroke; any touching of the cue ball with a mechanical bridge, body part, piece of clothing, chalk, or anything related to the shooter.
b. Cue ball scratches or comes to rest off the slate surface.
c. Any intentional moving, striking, disrupting, of any ball on the table at any time using any body part, element or device.
d. Marking the table in any way with a piece of chalk or any other method.

I remembered that at the KOH it was legal to touch balls with the bridge hand or clothing. Cue Ball fouls only I think it was called.

It seems this has changed.

I also wonder whether they have changed the rule for using the cue shaft to move the CB with BIH? There were quite a few fouls from this at the KOH event and it didn't seem too popular with the players.

Does anyone know if this was enforced at the qualifiers, or was the rule changed?

Colin
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The rules that the qualifiers have been playing with are that any ball fouled at any time for any reason would give incoming player ball in hand. That included all that you just mentioned, clothes, bridge, etc. The only time you may touch the cue ball with your shaft is while you have ball in hand. You may use your shaft to position the cue ball.

As far as I know these rules are the same now for the main events.
 
daytonajoe said:
Allison was called for a foul in Orlando when she moved the CB with her shaft on a break
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I saw that too. That was the most rediculous ruling that they could have had. How can anyone have a foul called on them beforethe game even starts? I'm sure everyone would have adapted to the rule after a couple of those fouls were called but I think it's a good thing they changed it.
 
Thanks for the info Louis.

Deno also confirmed that the rule was changed for 2006.

I also support these rule changes. I saw a few fouls called on players who by habit adjusted the CB with the shaft when BIH and got called. I saw one game where the opponent refused to accept the foul called.

Things sort themselves out with some trial and error.

I also like the all ball foul rule. Some players will lay over balls carelessly, perhaps even hoping to spread or create clusters, while others with better etiquette will stretch and strain so as to avoid moving the balls from where they are positioned.

Colin
 
That foul called on Allison is the most lame petty ridiculous thing I have ever heard about in my entire life.

Can anyone give me a serious good reason why you could not adjust your ball with your break cue before you break?? FOUL - BALL IN HAND for adjusting your cue ball before break!!

COLIN - so that rule is no longer in effect??
 
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I believe that foul was called three or four times in Orlando. If I remember correctly both Earl and Gerda were called on it. They were playing under the strict interpretation of the all ball fouls. I do believe this is the way straight pool was first played.

Jake
 
the ultimate in stupid

When Allison lost the break for fouling the official dropped the ball on the table and the player raked the ball to him with his stick, obviously the beginning of positioning the cue ball, but this was not a foul! So it was OK to roughly position the cue ball with your stick but not use it to adjust final cue ball position. That is splitting hairs a bit too finely for this country boy.

Hu
 
poolboy17 said:
I have gone back and watched the tape again. Niels does in fact touch the cueball with his stick. The rule was changed the next day to more accurately reflect the spirit of the rule.
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Yep, the cue fell off the bridge and hits the 4 ball by accident and a foul was called on him.
 
To Poolboy

Rats, being short, I can barely reach half the shots or cue over a ball now. :( With the all ball foul rule, I can see more fouls in my future.

Do we still have to position the CB with BIH with our hands or can we use our stick? That is another ridiculous rule, requiring several trips back to the table to re-position the CB. And what if you can't reach the spot from EITHER end of the table?? :eek:
 
9BallBust-O said:
That foul called on Allison is the most lame petty ridiculous thing I have ever heard about in my entire life.

Can anyone give me a serious good reason why you could not adjust your ball with your break cue before you break?? FOUL - BALL IN HAND for adjusting your cue ball before break!!

COLIN - so that rule is no longer in effect??
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Yes, my understanding is that now it is ok to adjust the CB with the cue shaft whenever Ball In Hand. And that this includes positioning the CB for the break.

I'm not so sure about if the tip contacts the ball during the adjustment. Under some rules this is considered a foul.

Colin
 
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