Allen Hopkins The Gambler

allen_jr said:
I was playing with him once years ago an a bar table, 8 ball. He told me to pick a number between 20 and 30. I picked 24. He said, "I'm gonna give you 24 chances to shoot, then I'm gonna run out and win"

I got exactly that, 24 chances with the white ball stuck behind anything and everything. 24 chances to kick at my balls. Now I'm not the best player in the world, but I'm not the worst either. I never had a decent shot, i was kicking at any shot I tried. It was amazing. I didnt think it was possible to never have a shot on a bar table, at least not 24 times in a row...

After my 24th attempt at making at least a legal shot, he said, "OK, games over", and proceeded to run out, just like he said...

I asked him about this, said he used to do it out on the road to get action going... we weren't gambling though, i never bet money anywhere near a pool table against my dad

Very good to see you on the forum, Allen! Show dad how to create an account so he can respond to some of these posts himself. Some, I imagine, would drive him NUTS to read.


Here's my only pool gambling story with Allen:

Last summer, I was in Vegas playing Mike McAndrew (Shadow) at some 14.1 at Pool Sharks. We usually play races to 150, with him spotting me 50, for dinner of our choice. This usually works out to a $100 bet for a dinner for two at a nice place in Vegas.

Soooooooo.... I play over my head and beat Mike at the dinner bet, which was the very first time out of maybe 4 or 5 attempts. We were playing on the "pit" table, for those familiar with the room. Allen was sitting above the pit, looking down, watching the match.

"Man, I don't think you can beat Dave!" Allen said, completely instigating Shadow. "Dave, how do I get a chance to win MY dinner??"

Well, here was my chance. I didn't want to come up with anything too "gaffy" for Allen because if I won, I wouldn't feel solid about it...so what's the point of playing. I thought long and hard how I could play one of the best straight pool players ever at a fair game.

"OK, here's the move. You go to 50 and I go to 10, and I break." I said to Allen. My rationale was if I put a good break on him, no matter what, he'd have to run out 50 to get the dinner. I felt if he missed a squeaker somewhere, I was definitely running 10.

Mind you, Allen hadn't hit a ball since the day before, so I had the "HE'S COLD" factor going for me on top of my adrenaline rush from beating Shadow.

Here's the result of my break shot:

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I'm now officially in $50 action with Hopkins (since we'd all pay up at the same meal).

I thought to myself, "Ya know, that ain't bad for a non-player... I'll take that everyday with all the pressure on him not to miss 50 from there."

He screws together his cue, walked up to the rack, looked it over for a few seconds, gets into his sta.....*BAP!!!!!!!!*

Not a millisecond after his torso set into the shot, his cue popped forward the loose ball on the left side of the rack RIFLED into the pocket and exploded half of the rack away. Needless to say, he didn't miss a ball. Not only didn't he miss a ball, he never made a ball in either corner pockets up-table. After he cleaned up the first rack, he continued to break apart each additional rack in 1/4's...popping out 3-4 balls at a time. It was the most perfect run I've ever seen. As a matter of fact, if it wasn't for the fact we were heading out to eat..... HE'D STILL BE RUNNING OUT TO THIS DAY... that's how perfect it was.

Cafe Chloe... Shadow bought Allen dinner, and I bought my own. Free experience!
 
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jay helfert said:
So you played Allen even. Now the truth comes out! Allen had to give me 8-5, so where does that leave us. No wonder you wanted a One Pocket game with me so bad.

My original offer still holds though. One set of Banks and one set of One Pocket. You pick the bet, and I pick the location. :D

Come on Jay. Put those reading glasses on. Read the fine print, "Pinball Joey".

Quit trying to weasel that nut lock game of banks into our match. :mad:
JoeyA
 
Run a rack, no rails....

I have heard this story several times, some of you may have heard it as well... Back in the day when my dad was on the road, he proposed a bet to anyone in the poolroom, bet that he could run a rack of balls without the cueball ever hitting a rail. This may have been in detroit area, have to check and see, I do remember that it was not a very friendly poolroom, he was definitely not somewhere comfortable...

So anyway, or course the entire place bets against him. He has bet that he can break and run a rack of balls without the cueball ever touching a rail. I will repeat that part, the cueball can't touch a rail. He may have gotten ball in hand after the break, cant remember that part. Either way, this isnt easy.

So, as you could imagine, he does it. First try. When I heard this, i asked if he had ever done it before? Nope. Just thought he could. And just bet the whole place that he could.
 
allen_jr said:
I have heard this story several times, some of you may have heard it as well... Back in the day when my dad was on the road, he proposed a bet to anyone in the poolroom, bet that he could run a rack of balls without the cueball ever hitting a rail. This may have been in detroit area, have to check and see, I do remember that it was not a very friendly poolroom, he was definitely not somewhere comfortable...

So anyway, or course the entire place bets against him. He has bet that he can break and run a rack of balls without the cueball ever touching a rail. I will repeat that part, the cueball can't touch a rail. He may have gotten ball in hand after the break, cant remember that part. Either way, this isnt easy.

So, as you could imagine, he does it. First try. When I heard this, i asked if he had ever done it before? Nope. Just thought he could. And just bet the whole place that he could.

Im not even worthy to read about something like that.
 
allen_jr said:
I have heard this story several times, some of you may have heard it as well... Back in the day when my dad was on the road, he proposed a bet to anyone in the poolroom, bet that he could run a rack of balls without the cueball ever hitting a rail. This may have been in detroit area, have to check and see, I do remember that it was not a very friendly poolroom, he was definitely not somewhere comfortable...

So anyway, or course the entire place bets against him. He has bet that he can break and run a rack of balls without the cueball ever touching a rail. I will repeat that part, the cueball can't touch a rail. He may have gotten ball in hand after the break, cant remember that part. Either way, this isnt easy.

So, as you could imagine, he does it. First try. When I heard this, i asked if he had ever done it before? Nope. Just thought he could. And just bet the whole place that he could.

Welcome, Allen Jr! I think u'll like it here.

Oh yeah, tell ur dad that his `close friend` Frankie `white` Scanlon posts here 2! :eek: :rolleyes:

Brian
 
allen_jr said:
So anyway, or course the entire place bets against him. He has bet that he can break and run a rack of balls without the cueball ever touching a rail. I will repeat that part, the cueball can't touch a rail. He may have gotten ball in hand after the break, cant remember that part. Either way, this isnt easy.

So, as you could imagine, he does it. First try. When I heard this, i asked if he had ever done it before? Nope. Just thought he could. And just bet the whole place that he could.

This was the old "poison cushion" game that several of the top old-school players use to play. I've heard of it mostly used in straight pool and 8-ball. Cue-ball control is an absolute must with this game.
 
APA7 said:
Welcome, Allen Jr! I think u'll like it here.

Oh yeah, tell ur dad that his `close friend` Frankie `white` Scanlon posts here 2! :eek: :rolleyes:

Brian

Wow, you are turning into quite the tool.
 
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