Allison is in the 9 ball at the DCC. Predictions?

BPG24 said:
I wouldn't call Allen Hopkins or Charlie Williams TOP touring pros. JMO
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Possibly you didn't read my post carefully enough. You referred to the top 100 players, not me.

Williams and Hopkins are #s 25 and 58 on the current UPA tour rankings.

If you want to lower your standards to the top 10, then you would get no argument from me...but you would be reducing your standards by a factor of 10.

But make no mistake. You would be wise to change your standards IMHO.

I can only assume that you haven't seen her play that often. One of the reasons that she has won more WPBA events than all other players COMBINED (including karen) is that she doesn't miss much.

She has OFTEN gone through entire tournaments without missing more than 3-4 shots....so possibly you can explain how to beat someone who doesn't miss...without stringing 5-6 racks together in the silly winner breaks format.

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Bobby Pickle, Hennessee, Hickerson, Little John, Vita, Greg Jones, Bobby Earls, Greg Dickens, Luke Gains, Reed Pierce, etc...
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Well, she beat Bobby in my house and trust me, he wanted to win.

What you don't seem to understand is that she and to a lesser extent Karen (based on their records) play at an entirely different level than the rest of the women...but having said that, it is clear that the compeition is getting better and better every year so the gap is clearly closing...but there IS a gap.

Also, IMHO..absent pure luck, you are significantly over-estimating the advantage to the breaker in 9 Ball. I would be very interested in any statistics you might have that proves the breaker wins considerably more often than the non-breaker.

Putting on several break and run "packs" by getting a ball down AND having a makeble shot
requires a SIGNIFICANT amount of raw luck.

Regards,
Jim

Regards,
Jim
 
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av84fun said:
Possibly you didn't read my post carefully enough. You referred to the top 100 players, not me.

Williams and Hopkins are #s 25 and 58 on the current UPA tour rankings.

If you want to lower your standards to the top 10, then you would get no argument from me...but you would be reducing your standards by a factor of 10.

But make no mistake. You would be wise to change your standards IMHO.

I can only assume that you haven't seen her play that often. One of the reasons that she has won more WPBA events than all other players COMBINED (including karen) is that she doesn't miss much.

She has OFTEN gone through entire tournaments without missing more than 3-4 shots....so possibly you can explain how to beat someone who doesn't miss...without stringing 5-6 racks together in the silly winner breaks format.

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Nope, you didn't read your post carefully!!!!!!!!!

I was referring to your post that said the Allison beat 2 Top Touring Pros... Go back and LOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
av84fun said:
Thanks for the clarification. But as you state above, you downplayed the significance of her first 3 wins which is fine.

I'm just curious though. Given her victory over an additional 4 players, including two decisive wins over top name touring pros, how has your assessment of her ability to compete against men changed...if at all?

Let me hasten to add that I don't think she can win consistently against the BEST men...either on tour or top road players.

Rather, it's a matter of degree i.e. how far down the list of male players do you think would be necessary in order for her to be able to win on any given day? (And by that I mean Cory can win or lose against Busta on any given day without proving one is better than the other. What I mean is a REAL chance to win where the record between the two players might be, say, 60/40 over a long series of matches.)

This is all just idle speculation but IMHO there are many men who BADLY underestimate her ability since, when she brings her A game...she just doesn't miss and it is HARD to beat players that don't miss!

Regards,

Jim
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it's all here
 
BPG24 said:
Nope, you didn't read your post carefully!!!!!!!!!

I was referring to your post that said the Allison beat 2 Top Touring Pros... Go back and LOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I can't find any such post. Can you direct me to it? The only similar post I could find (although I didn't spend much time looking and could have missed it) was one in which I referred to two TOP NAME touring pros.

There,of course, is a difference in the discerning mind.

But putting hair-splitting aside, you are on record as suggesting that she would not match up well with the top 100 male pros...and as I have pointed out, Hopkins and Williams are CURRENTLY in the UPA top 100.

And as far as where Hopkins and Williams make their money, what does that have to do with anything.

One of many possible reasons for touring pros being in the lower ranges of the top 100 is that they HAVE to have other occupations since they obviously can't make a living playing pool.

But again, YOU chose the top 100, not me so you have to live with whatever the reasons might be for being low on that list.

Regards,
Jim
 
av84fun said:
I can't find any such post. Can you direct me to it? The only similar post I could find (although I didn't spend much time looking and could have missed it) was one in which I referred to two TOP NAME touring pros.

There,of course, is a difference in the discerning mind.

But putting hair-splitting aside, you are on record as suggesting that she would not match up well with the top 100 male pros...and as I have pointed out, Hopkins and Williams are CURRENTLY in the UPA top 100.

And as far as where Hopkins and Williams make their money, what does that have to do with anything.

One of many possible reasons for touring pros being in the lower ranges of the top 100 is that they HAVE to have other occupations since they obviously can't make a living playing pool.

But again, YOU chose the top 100, not me so you have to live with whatever the reasons might be for being low on that list.

Regards,
Jim
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What are you talking about??????????

I quoted your post. I even made it bold for you. Look up

Charlie Williams does not play pool for a living, neither does Allen Hopkins. Surely you can understand how that would effect their performance. Besides racing to 7 doesn't prove anything, you know that

And yes for the 3rd time, I do not believe Allison is favored in long sets versus any of the worlds top 100 men. I would imagine there are at lest 15-20 Filipinos alone that would be favored over her.
 
beetle said:
Yet somehow I was able to get my Ph. D.
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Well that's quite an achievement, because that's not how you spell iPod.

Well done Allison (and all the girls) by-the-way. She outperformed the vast majority of the men in the competition. You can't argue against that fact.

Boro Nut
 
BPG24 said:
What are you talking about??????????

I quoted your post. I even made it bold for you. Look up

Charlie Williams does not play pool for a living, neither does Allen Hopkins. Surely you can understand how that would effect their performance. Besides racing to 7 doesn't prove anything, you know that

And yes for the 3rd time, I do not believe Allison is favored in long sets versus any of the worlds top 100 men. I would imagine there are at lest 15-20 Filipinos alone that would be favored over her.
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Here...let me help you by putting your quote of my comments in larger letters to aid your comprehension skills.

I'm just curious though. Given her victory over an additional 4 players, including two decisive wins over top name touring pros, how has your assessment of her ability to compete against men changed...if at all?

Now, re-read my last post and hopefully you will understand.

And races to 7 mean nothing huh?? Well, you would probably be the first to say "I told you so" if she had lost 7-1.

LOL
 
av84fun said:
Here...let me help you by putting your quote of my comments in larger letters to aid your comprehension skills.

I'm just curious though. Given her victory over an additional 4 players, including two decisive wins over top name touring pros, how has your assessment of her ability to compete against men changed...if at all?

Now, re-read my last post and hopefully you will understand.

And races to 7 mean nothing huh?? Well, you would probably be the first to say "I told you so" if she had lost 7-1.

LOL
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BGP's reading comprehension skills seem to be doing pretty well here. If you felt that Allison's victories were proof that her game has been underrated by a lot of guys in this thread, then the terms, "top name touring pro" and "top touring pro" are equivalent in the context of the argument that you're trying to make.
 
av84fun said:
Here...let me help you by putting your quote of my comments in larger letters to aid your comprehension skills.

I'm just curious though. Given her victory over an additional 4 players, including two decisive wins over top name touring pros, how has your assessment of her ability to compete against men changed...if at all?

Now, re-read my last post and hopefully you will understand.

And races to 7 mean nothing huh?? Well, you would probably be the first to say "I told you so" if she had lost 7-1.

LOL
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I never made a prediction on short tournament races... Anything can happen, I know from experience. I have beaten guys that were out of my league to 7. I have also lost to guys I should drill in a race to 7. 9 ball is a funny game, and short races do not favor the best player
 
Cuebacca said:
BGP's reading comprehension skills seem to be doing pretty well here. If you felt that Allison's victories were proof that her game has been underrated by a lot of guys in this thread, then the terms, "top name touring pro" and "top touring pro" are equivalent in the context of the argument that you're trying to make.
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Cuebacca said:
BGP's reading comprehension skills seem to be doing pretty well here. If you felt that Allison's victories were proof that her game has been underrated by a lot of guys in this thread, then the terms, "top name touring pro" and "top touring pro" are equivalent in the context of the argument that you're trying to make.
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Well, thanks for offering your services as moderator...yet again...but let me point out why both you and BPG24 seem to be discernment challenged...even when I provided a clue in LARGE...RED letters.

Grady Mathews, for example, would be a TOP NAME TOURING PRO whereas Mika, for example, would be a Top Touring Pro.

You see, the distinction is that a pro may have a TOP NAME...still be touring in various events...but be long past his prime. So....stay with me now..."Top Touring Pro" suggests current substantial success on tour, while Top Name Touring Pro could also mean a famous pro but one who is no longer enjoying substantial success on tour.

Get it now???? (-:

Please let me know if you need any other guidance on why those two phrases are NOT "equivalent."

Regards,

Jim
 
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