Allison is in the 9 ball at the DCC. Predictions?

[Cuebacca]

First, don't take my posts to mean anything except what is stated therein. I didn't say it proved anything.

Sorry. It was an honest mistake.

As for you question as to what champions she has beaten, as you know know, the answer to that is Hopkins...7-1.

You said she was 3-0, and since I thought you were using that to prove something, I asked which champions were included in that. Now you answer, Hopkins. Sorry, but Hopkins wasn't one of the first 3 players she beat. I'm not saying that Allison got lucky, but I will say that YOU did.

That is her THIRD 7-1 win. So, did she shake in her boots at the thought of playing a male world champion as some thought she would? NOPE.

And she drilled his nuts.
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That term seems a little disrespectful to me, since you're talking about Allen Hopkins, who is a champion and a class act. No matter what you say, I would presume Allen is mature enough not to feel emasculated by losing to a woman, who happens to be champion herself.

Congrats to Allison on her strong showing thus far.

 

[MVPCues]

I agree. I just took av8's postscript as him saying that their 3-0 record proved more than it did. My post was just my way of saying, calm down, they shouldn't be crowned champion of the world yet. I usually just lurk in these threads because I have more to learn than to say. I just don't like seeing people trying to twist facts. That's why I posted. My own personal pool skill/experience immediately got questioned, which I find utterly hilarious and telling of the logic some apply to these debates.

Anyway, good post, Kelly.

Its all good with me, my posts are to add my thoughts to the thread as a whole, I wasn't answering or directing my post to anyone too terribly specific.

Kelly

 

[MVPCues]

You are right, they are not the same thing..... and it is possible that one or more of them can go deep, but what people are saying is that it is less likely for the top women to go deep than 40 or 50 or 100 men going just as deep into the field depending on where the various people that have stated such stand.... And of course there are more men competing so it is statistically more probable that men in general would go deeper, so what they are saying is that they would pick out 40 or 50 or 100 specific men in the field that are more likely to go deep into the field.

Jaden

Spending more than just a few hours during my career doing all sorts of statistical tests and writing up the results for journals, I certainly understand what you are saying, and by no means made any predictions they would go very deep despite the odds against. But when 4 of the few female players in the tournament all win their first 3 matches, that is probably statistically significant already, and worth taking note of IMO.

I see nobody posted what Kim, Karen, and Helena did in their 4th and 5th matches, only Allison going 5 and 0. I presume the other 3 gals must have dropped some matches.

Kelly

 

[cuechick]

Pool balls are gender neutral, yes -- but tournaments aren't. Any time someone plays in a new situation, there is bound to be a learning curve. Imagine a road player deciding to go "pro" and leaving the hustling behind. The game is the same, but the mentality is different.

What "new situation" are you talking about, playing men? Alison is no stranger to playing men, she grew up playing snooker, playing men all the time and beating them! Some of the best in the world! I seriously doubt this is even a remote concern for her.

 

[AuntyDan]

Seeing as how the inestimable Mr. Trotter seems to be asleep at the switch I should just point out here that you are all forgetting that Ms. Fisher is playing with unbeatable playing power of a Cuetec professional cue.

Even a girl can win with one of those!

Go Ally!

 

[cuechick]

From AZ's front page....

Karen Corr, Allison Fisher, Anna Kostanian and Helena Thornfeldt all won their fourth round matches. Kostanian defeated Sylver Ochoa, Corr defeated Canadian hot-shot John Morra and Fisher defeated Nathan Rose.



And they left out Kim Shaw...

All still in and heading into the 6th round....I believe all have buy backs expcept for Karen!

 

[av84fun]

Sorry. It was an honest mistake.



You said she was 3-0, and since I thought you were using that to prove something, I asked which champions were included in that.

Now you answer, Hopkins. Sorry, but Hopkins wasn't one of the first 3 players she beat. I'm not saying that Allison got lucky, but I will say that YOU did.

Did I say he was? There ya go interpreting again! (-:

I even said..."Now you know..." (although I misspelled "now."

That term seems a little disrespectful to me, since you're talking about Allen Hopkins, who is a champion and a class act. No matter what you say, I would presume Allen is mature enough not to feel emasculated by losing to a woman, who happens to be champion herself.

Sorry that offended you. I assumed you were more familiar with pool venacular. "Having the nuts" and other similar phrases are just figures of speech and not intended to emasculate anyone.

But obviously, your question about whether she had beaten any champions was a thinly disguised slight...which you are VERY good at by the way. And so the point of my post...as I am sure you know...was to say that not only did she beat a champion...but beat him "soundly"...

Which is not an insinuation that he is hard of hearing...or

She beat him "handily" which does not mean that he has love handles..or

She beat the "tar" out of him...which does not actually suggest that he has any tar in him...

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[av84fun]

From AZ's front page....

Karen Corr, Allison Fisher, Anna Kostanian and Helena Thornfeldt all won their fourth round matches. Kostanian defeated Sylver Ochoa, Corr defeated Canadian hot-shot John Morra and Fisher defeated Nathan Rose.



And they left out Kim Shaw...

All still in and heading into the 6th round....I believe all have buy backs expcept for Karen!

Kim got her second loss tonight in Round 6 so she had a VERY respectable 4-2 record and finished in the money.

Alli lost to Grossman...a tough player...7-5 and will draw into Round 7 tomorrow.

Helena lost to SVB.

Karen totally dominated her match. I was trying to watch all four and may have missed something, but I didn't see Karen miss a single shot.

What was VERY cool is that all four women, karen, alli, kim and helena were matched up on adjacent tables to start Round 6 AND THEY ALL WON THE FIRST RACK from their opponents!!

There were at least 200 sweaters...even though the 1 Hole finals was going on...and they were heavily favoring the ladies.

So, that is AT LEAST four women in the top 60 and it ain't over yet...so possibly some of those who were so sure that alli/karen couldn 't even finish in the top 100 let alone get in the money will understand how badly they underestimate those two...unless you think they ALL got lucky...in which case, I would recommend therapy for your self-esteem issues.

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Jim

 

[av84fun]

I never thought Allison would do this again. She has taken a lot of flak with the whole men/women thing going back to her snooker days and I for sure thought that she was done with it, but here she is putting herself out there for all us to speculate again. I really don't think she could care less wether anybody thinks she is as good as the men or not and even though she beat Allen who I have gone drinking with and played locals for beers with and is one of the nicest and coolest guys any of us will ever meet, I am happy for her. Allison is a top class player who has made a great living playing pool. She knows a lot of people kinda want her to get steamrolled so the 'I told she can't beat men' threads will start up. What you guys forget is that she has been playing great under the gun for 20 years now and she just plays the balls and she is always tough to beat. Keep it up Allison a lot of us are rooting for you. Why don't we all look at her as a player and not as a girl because that's what she is right now.

Great post Raybo...and you are right...she doesn't give a hoot who she plays. All she cares about is how SHE plays.

And while she...and all other women seem to have more than their share of detractors here, I can tell you that at the DCC the crowds are WAY on the women's side.

Regards,
Jim

 

[MVPCues]

Kim got her second loss tonight in Round 6 so she had a VERY respectable 4-2 record and finished in the money.

Alli lost to Grossman...a tough player...7-5 and will draw into Round 7 tomorrow.

Helena lost to SVB.

Karen totally dominated her match. I was trying to watch all four and may have missed something, but I didn't see Karen miss a single shot.

What was VERY cool is that all four women, karen, alli, kim and helena were matched up on adjacent tables to start Round 6 AND THEY ALL WON THE FIRST RACK from their opponents!!

There were at least 200 sweaters...even though the 1 Hole finals was going on...and they were heavily favoring the ladies.

So, that is AT LEAST four women in the top 60 and it ain't over yet...so possibly some of those who were so sure that alli/karen couldn 't even finish in the top 100 let alone get in the money will understand how badly they underestimate those two...unless you think they ALL got lucky...in which case, I would recommend therapy for your self-esteem issues.

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Jim

Anna played in round 6 also, no? With the assumption she dropped her match, that means it is down to Karen, Allison, and Helena in round 7, none with buy backs? I believe Helena's loss to Shane was her first.

Kelly

 

[cuechick]

Anna played in round 6 also, no? With the assumption she dropped her match, that means it is down to Karen, Allison, and Helena in round 7, none with buy backs? I believe Helena's loss to Shane was her first.

Kelly

If Anna did lose, I think she still had a buyback left?

 

[MVPCues]

If Anna did lose, I think she still had a buyback left?

She lost to Slivka in the 5th round. Still, 6th round is better than even odds (assuming John beat her in round 6).

Kelly

 

[alstl]

From AZ's front page....

Karen Corr, Allison Fisher, Anna Kostanian and Helena Thornfeldt all won their fourth round matches. Kostanian defeated Sylver Ochoa, Corr defeated Canadian hot-shot John Morra and Fisher defeated Nathan Rose.



And they left out Kim Shaw...

All still in and heading into the 6th round....I believe all have buy backs expcept for Karen!

I just watched a match on propoolvideo.com which Nathan Rose won in the finals of a tournament on the Southeast Open 9 ball tour. He is a strong player and that's a nice win for Allison.

 

[vagabond]

cheers,
did u forget to say "she skunked him" which does not mean he is a skunk?

 

[vagabond]

There were at least 200 sweaters...even though the 1 Hole finals was going on...and they were heavily favoring the ladies.
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Jim

If that is the case ,what I have been hearing all my life -' sex sells in America' -is proved to be true.

 

[MVPCues]

Allison and Karen in the final 28, round 8. If one or both can win again, it will get very interested.

Kelly

 

[pwd72s]

Is it considered bad form to root for the ladies?

 

[MVPCues]

Is it considered bad form to root for the ladies?

I don't think it is bad form to root for anyone as long as you don't disrespect the other player(s).

Kelly

 

[pwd72s]

Okay then...Go Allison-Go Karen...guys need an ego smack now & then...

 

[av84fun]

Allison and Karen finish Top 29. Alli lost to the VERY strong young gun Adam Smith.

However, in the prior round, Alli beat Charlie Williams 7-1. That was three wins at 7-1, two of which were against champions...Williams and Hopkins.

Two women finished top 29 and four (I think) finished in the money...
Alli, Kim Shaw, Karen, Helena..I'm not sure about Anna.

GREAT going ladies. No apologies are required of those who suggested that they would not finish top 100 let alone in the money since being wrong doesn't require an apology.

I just think that those who had such opinions just had no idea how strong a few of the women are...especially Alli and Karen.

I wasn't able to see all of every match because I was sweating Bobby Pickle, Kim and Alli, but I only saw Alli miss 3 shots in all 8 rounds.

CONGRATULATIONS!

Regards,
Jim