Allison is in the 9 ball at the DCC. Predictions?

Congratulations to Allison Fisher and the the other women. Allison plays with so few mistakes and as long as she plays at that high level, it doesn't matter who she's playing, she would be very hard to beat.

While she didn't make the top 20 as I expected, she did surprise a lot of people whose expectations were considerably lower. And she did not have an easy draw. Nobody has an easy draw with this field.

I hope we get to see the women compete with the men more frequently in the future.

av84fun said:
Allison and Karen finish Top 29. Alli lost to the VERY strong young gun Adam Smith.

However, in the prior round, Alli beat Charlie Williams 7-1. That was three wins at 7-1, two of which were against champions...Williams and Hopkins.

Two women finished top 29 and four (I think) finished in the money...
Alli, Kim Shaw, Karen, Helena..I'm not sure about Anna.

GREAT going ladies. No apologies are required of those who suggested that they would not finish top 100 let alone in the money since being wrong doesn't require an apology.

I just think that those who had such opinions just had no idea how strong a few of the women are...especially Alli and Karen.

I wasn't able to see all of every match because I was sweating Bobby Pickle, Kim and Alli, but I only saw Alli miss 3 shots in all 8 rounds.

CONGRATULATIONS!

Regards,
Jim
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beetle said:
While she didn't make the top 20 as I expected, she did surprise a lot of people whose expectations were considerably lower.
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She tied for 19th.
 
beetle said:
Oh, I stand corrected! I wish I had money on that prediction in that case! :D
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Right. Gotta be careful on how you word the bet. "top 29" can be the same thing as "tied for 19th" depending on how many are tied at the same level.

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BPG24
Call me what you will, but if the races were longer Alli wouldn't win more than a couple of matches against the men...

Do you really see her consitantly beating the top 100 men?

I don't
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branpureza

i doubt she'll cash.

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RED NAXELA
If it's alternate breaks, Allison has more than an even chance to make it to the last 32. If not, she would be lucky to crack top 60.

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atthecat

top 100. If she's lucky.

ironman

I feel putting her in thetop 50 isvery generous and might not have her in my top 100. A lot can happen though.
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AZE

Not far, unless she gets a soft board.... In that case I say she gets into the low cash.

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But obviously, your question about whether she had beaten any champions was a thinly disguised slight...
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A slight at whom, Allison? You just got through telling me not to "interpret" your posts. I suggest you follow your own advice because your interpretation of mine is way off.
 
av84fun said:
Here are my nominees for a class in Pool Match Handicapping Remdial Training! (-:

BPG24
Call me what you will, but if the races were longer Alli wouldn't win more than a couple of matches against the men...

Do you really see her consitantly beating the top 100 men?

I don't
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branpureza

i doubt she'll cash.

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RED NAXELA
If it's alternate breaks, Allison has more than an even chance to make it to the last 32. If not, she would be lucky to crack top 60.

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atthecat

top 100. If she's lucky.

ironman

I feel putting her in thetop 50 isvery generous and might not have her in my top 100. A lot can happen though.
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AZE

Not far, unless she gets a soft board.... In that case I say she gets into the low cash.

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I still stand by what i said... Alli is an underdog to the top 100 men playing longer races.

By the way, i may not be too bad at handicapping, I picked the winner correctly of both of the Shane vs Hennessee sets, and several others during the DCC... I am better at predicting gambling than short tournament races, which could go either way... Anyone should understand why
 
av84fun said:
Cuebacca said:
A slight at whom, Allison? You just got through telling me not to "interpret" your posts. I suggest you follow your own advice because your interpretation of mine is way off.
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Cuebacca said:
Ah, the classic deflection
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You are GOOD!

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Huh? :confused: I thought you didn't want me interpreting your posts. In light of that, please try to be a little more clear.
 
When Allison killed Charley Williams and Karen beat Dee Adkins hill-hill,
I yelled out, " Don't the women realize they can't play with the men?"
Got some laughs.
 
I still stand by what i said... Alli is an underdog to the top 100 men playing longer races.

By the way, i may not be too bad at handicapping, I picked the winner correctly of both of the Shane vs Hennessee sets, and several others during the DCC... I am better at predicting gambling than short tournament races, which could go either way... Anyone should understand why
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You are certainly entitled to stand by what you said but the thread had to do with predictions re: the DCC and she beat both Williams and Hopkins who are in the top 100 in UPA money winnings and she beat them both decisively.

No problem though. I realize you qualified your remarks to longer races. I just think that if she won a race to 20 then some would say she couldn't win a race to 100 etc.

Regards,
Jim
 
Cuebacca said:
Huh? :confused: I thought you didn't want me interpreting your posts. In light of that, please try to be a little more clear.
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What...exactly...did you find unclear about "You are good"? But to save you a post, that was a compliment on your debating skills.

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av84fun said:
What...exactly...did you find unclear about "You are good"? But to save you a post, that was a compliment on your debating skills.

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Well, thanks, I guess. I'm not trying to win a debate though. Personally, I HATE debates: pick a side and present everything you can to give yourself the best chance to "win". If I liked doing that, I'd immediately apply to law school. I'm more interested at looking at all sides, even if the "side" I originally thought I was on turns out to have less merit than I thought.

My original post wasn't choosing sides at all. I merely didn't understand how it was big significance that Allison won her first three matches, since I'd never heard of any of her opponents. This wasn't a slight at Allison (nor even her opponents). She didn't have any choice in who she played.

I guess my post left too much room to read things into it and this is a very sensitive topic. I'll try to be more careful next time.
 
Cuebacca said:
Well, thanks, I guess. I'm not trying to win a debate though. Personally, I HATE debates: pick a side and present everything you can to give yourself the best chance to "win". If I liked doing that, I'd immediately apply to law school. I'm more interested at looking at all sides, even if the "side" I originally thought I was on turns out to have less merit than I thought.

My original post wasn't choosing sides at all. I merely didn't understand how it was big significance that Allison won her first three matches, since I'd never heard of any of her opponents. This wasn't a slight at Allison (nor even her opponents). She didn't have any choice in who she played.

I guess my post left too much room to read things into it and this is a very sensitive topic. I'll try to be more careful next time.
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Thanks for the clarification. But as you state above, you downplayed the significance of her first 3 wins which is fine.

I'm just curious though. Given her victory over an additional 4 players, including two decisive wins over top name touring pros, how has your assessment of her ability to compete against men changed...if at all?

Let me hasten to add that I don't think she can win consistently against the BEST men...either on tour or top road players.

Rather, it's a matter of degree i.e. how far down the list of male players do you think would be necessary in order for her to be able to win on any given day? (And by that I mean Cory can win or lose against Busta on any given day without proving one is better than the other. What I mean is a REAL chance to win where the record between the two players might be, say, 60/40 over a long series of matches.)

This is all just idle speculation but IMHO there are many men who BADLY underestimate her ability since, when she brings her A game...she just doesn't miss and it is HARD to beat players that don't miss!

Regards,

Jim
 
I wouldn't call Allen Hopkins or Charlie Williams TOP touring pros. JMO
No disrespect meant to them, Allen was a great Champion and Charlie has his short run.

But neither of them play pool for a living and Allison does... Something you may be forgetting
 
9 ball
tight 41/2 x 9
ALTERNATE break
played TONIGHT
"locals"=======>ms, tn and ark
race to 7

IMO Allie wins at least 5.5 races out of 10 vs everyone with the exception of HENNEY who wins 6 to 7.
 
ribdoner said:
9 ball
tight 41/2 x 9
ALTERNATE break
played TONIGHT
"locals"=======>ms, tn and ark
race to 7

IMO Allie wins at least 5.5 races out of 10 vs everyone with the exception of HENNEY who wins 6 to 7.
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I agree with that, but ALTERNATE breaks is the key to that statement being true.

I would like to see this happen on that ridiculously tight Diamond in the back room at Samples. Vita put a 3 pack on my buddy on that table, and if you haven't played on it, a 3 pack may not sound like anything special. That table is BRUTAL!


There are some pretty good players in those three states though.

Bobby Pickle, Hennessee, Hickerson, Little John, Vita, Greg Jones, Bobby Earls, Greg Dickens, Luke Gains, Reed Pierce, etc...

Surely I left out a few people. They all have a chance at beating Alli
 
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