alternative to paypal???

BHQ

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i'm so pissed off right now i can't see straight
everytime some lowlife piece of **** tries to scam me or doesn't follow thru with transaction , paypal decucts $25 from MY account instead of the crook's account
is there another service available other than paypal ?
 
BHQ said:
i'm so pissed off right now i can't see straight
everytime some lowlife piece of **** tries to scam me or doesn't follow thru with transaction , paypal decucts $25 from MY account instead of the crook's account
is there another service available other than paypal ?

might be deducting from both. anyway try moneybookers or even western union. don't know their policy though.
 
it wouldn't suprise me if they deduct it from both parties. I better stop before i go on a rant about how every fook'n company in america try to make as much money as possible off every fook'n customer they have. If they loose a customer to said tactics, they don't care.

Customer service????? Nowadays, that's what they call waiting 15min on the phone to talk to a fook'n computer that tells you how to go to some fook'n web-site.

customer service is dead, the call tree shot it in the head.
 
asn130 said:
it wouldn't suprise me if they deduct it from both parties. I better stop before i go on a rant about how every fook'n company in america try to make as much money as possible off every fook'n customer they have. If they loose a customer to said tactics, they don't care.

Customer service????? Nowadays, that's what they call waiting 15min on the phone to talk to a fook'n computer that tells you how to go to some fook'n web-site.

customer service is dead, the call tree shot it in the head.
it's long story but the short version is that paypal ADVISED me that it was a scam and to refund the money she sent. which i did immediately. then she tries to say she never got it, files a dispute and paypal deducts $683 from me without looking into it FIRST. after 2 hours on the phone with those idiots they take care of it, but charge me $25
 
BHQ said:
it's long story but the short version is that paypal ADVISED me that it was a scam and to refund the money she sent. which i did immediately. then she tries to say she never got it, files a dispute and paypal deducts $683 from me without looking into it FIRST. after 2 hours on the phone with those idiots they take care of it, but charge me $25

i had a similar situation a couple of years ago. I remember that trying to get an actual person on the phone at paypay was like pulling hen's teeth. I guess when your the only game in town, you can screw your customers as hard as you want.
 
I have my problem with paypal too, and you think you got Seller Protection Policy on your side. Go with a money order or check the old fashion way. Unless you are setup for credit card acception! Not through paypal
 
billiardshot said:
I have my problem with paypal too, and you think you got Seller Protection Policy on your side. Go with a money order or check the old fashion way. Unless you are setup for credit card acception! Not through paypal

neteller is a great one ive done buisness there for 5 years never had a problem. dont know if will be right for you....google them and ask them they are very reputable
 
neteller is outstanding and I love their customer service I used them for online poker for a couple of years.
 
Yeah, but most people don't have neteller accounts, and will usually not want to be bothered to open up an account to pay ONE vendor.

If you are selling to people on Ebay, post on your auction that people with less than 10 rep will not be sold to. Question: Have you looked at Paypal's help files to see if you can find any advice on how to complete transactions in the safest way for you? Or have you went to any forums populated by Paypal users?

There ARE resources you can use to find out how to protect yourself, you know.

This idea of changing to someone else is not going to work. For better or worse, Paypal IS the only game in town. You need to structure your business practices around that fact.

Or, go out of business.

Russ
 
Russ Chewning said:
Yeah, but most people don't have neteller accounts, and will usually not want to be bothered to open up an account to pay ONE vendor.

If you are selling to people on Ebay, post on your auction that people with less than 10 rep will not be sold to. Question: Have you looked at Paypal's help files to see if you can find any advice on how to complete transactions in the safest way for you? Or have you went to any forums populated by Paypal users?

There ARE resources you can use to find out how to protect yourself, you know.

This idea of changing to someone else is not going to work. For better or worse, Paypal IS the only game in town. You need to structure your business practices around that fact.

Or, go out of business.

Russ
russ, with all due respect , paypal talks a big game about protection.
i don't beleive it's quite as good as they want us to believe.
in my recent episode, the buyer had feedback well in the 100's .
BUT, this is where the problem arose.
neither i nor paypal believe the person i was dealing with was in fact that said buyer.
idenity theft, whatever, who the hell knows,
but something was really fishy from the word go.

buyer on ebay contacted me about cue
many stupid and fishy questions about shipping it overseas
after awhile i ignored all questions
there was a $650 buy it now on item
she sends me $683 thru paypal without hitting the buy it now option
the auction was still valid
the next day, requests refund
at the advice of paypal they advised me to do NOTHING until they could look into the matter
after several weeks of harassing emails from this *****,
i called paypal and demanded to speak to someone that
1)spoke english
2) that had some authority instead of a robot reading off of a sheet in front of them

it was then i was advised to go ahead and refund the $683, on 12/22/06
yesterday a chargeback of $683 was levied against my acct
she claimed to her credit card company that she never received refund which was bullshit
my paypal statement is proof of that (transaction complete)
her credit card company sends a bill to paypal
and those dickheads take the $683 out without looking into it any further
i went from $300 to minus $400 while i was sleeping!!!!!!!!!!!!
now, what is keeping this person from doing it again??
another hassle for me and another $25 charge
NOTHING is preventing her from trying it again , AT MY EXPENSE
what's my choices?? risk that again or close my paypal acct


in this case it worked out other than the fact the jerks charged ME the fees for the scam and i don't believe for one damn second that paypal will go after this scammer as they lead us to believe
has anyone ever heard of someone going to jail or getting penalized by paypal or our justice system??
i haven't
after all, why should they? they just got $25 from me for doing nothing other than pushing a couple buttons on a computer.​
 
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Bishop said:
neteller is outstanding and I love their customer service I used them for online poker for a couple of years.
I have also used neteller before and I have never had a problem. I made many many withdrawls while I was able to play online poker. Bummer that I can't play anymore online. Was a good little side job :) Anyways neteller is a good option plus I don't think they charge to receive money. I think they only charge when you deposit money.

BVal
 
BVal said:
I have also used neteller before and I have never had a problem. I made many many withdrawls while I was able to play online poker. Bummer that I can't play anymore online. Was a good little side job :) Anyways neteller is a good option plus I don't think they charge to receive money. I think they only charge when you deposit money.

BVal
Have or are you still using neteller, since you are not playing online poker anymore? And what is neteller or it website?
 
billiardshot said:
And what is neteller or it website?

Go to Google.. Type in "neteller".

Or, just try a WAG and wrap "www." and ".com" around the name of something you want to find out about.

Want to know what Ebay is? www.ebay.com might tell you a little something. Want to know what Yahoo is? www.yahoo.com might be the answer.

Want to know what neteller is? Follow the pattern above...:D

Russ

(Sorry, but I think others pretty much explained what neteller is above, and people need to at least attempt to use search engines before asking to be spoon fed information...)
 
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BHQ said:
after all, why should they? they just got $25 from me for doing nothing other than pushing a couple buttons on a computer.

Well.. Why are you letting them take $25.00 from you? Call back and hassle them enough, and they'll refund that as well. And they'll probably put you on the "special attention list" if you cause them enough headaches.

That will mean they will actually make a note that says if they try to charge you bulls**t fees, that you'll call them over and over again until it gets squared away.

Hey, this is life. Some businesses will try to take advantage of you. That's the way of the world. Yeah, they do have more power over you than you do over them. That does not stop you from sending multiple emails to their service department, and making multiple phone calls requesting a certain manager until someone gets the idea not to f**k with you.:D

You may think it's not worth it, but if you do not push hard for your main payment source to take care of you, it'll happen again, and you'll have to make that additional phone call anyways.

I'm not really getting what's the big deal. You lost $25.00 that you can easily get refunded if you push hard enough. All this came about because you accepted a Paypal payment with no Ebay record of a "Buy it Now". If you had not accepted that payment until the buyer had committed through Ebay, then you'd be a lot better off. They would be committed to buy the product, so you could refuse the refund. With a "Buy it Now" confirmation, Paypal is going to be MUCH less likely to automatically refund the person's money.

And as far as the person doing a stop payment or whatever through their credit card company, this is no different than anyone in a brick and mortar business that sells a high dollar item. At any time, a customer can walk out with the goods and immediately call their credit card company to reverse the charge.

Your only option is to refuse to take credit card payments under any circumstances. Good luck with that option.

You are refusing to look at it from Paypal's point of view. Lots of shady people out there doing shady stuff. If Paypal has to get involved in credit card refunds, then SOMEbody has to pay. You already acknowledged the person was acting suspicious, so why on earth did you accept the Paypal transaction from them????? From Paypal's point of view, they figure if they charge you $25.00, it will cause you to be more careful about accepting money out of the blue with no auction confirmation to back it up.

JMO,

Russ
 
Russ, I really was asking how neteller was now, since no online poker is allow. But then I alway go to the real casino. I learn to read more languages by all the different engines search I have done over the year. But those engines don't sound like the V8 I remember!!!!
 
billiardshot said:
Russ, I really was asking how neteller was now, since no online poker is allow. But then I alway go to the real casino. I learn to read more languages by all the different engines search I have done over the year. But those engines don't sound like the V8 I remember!!!!

Pardon me if I am mistaken, but American players are not actually banned from these sites, right? They are just not allowed to use nay pay function that could be funded by credit cards? And if we ARE banned, how are they accomplishing this?? Do they ask for a mailing address, and if this address is U.S. based, they refuse service?

If so, it seems terribly short sighted. There will soon be businesses dealing in offshore accounts that can provide a funding source that is totally hidden from U.S. authorities. For example, my wife is Belizean. if I decided, I could easily set up a bank down there and funded it through wire transfers from my U.S. bank. That would allow me to play poker as long as the site does not ban one simply for living in the U.S.

I am sure there are some sites that are still willing to accept U.S. money.

Russ
 
Russ Chewning said:
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Well.. Why are you letting them take $25.00 from you? Call back and hassle them enough, and they'll refund that as well. And they'll probably put you on the "special attention list" if you cause them enough headaches.

That will mean they will actually make a note that says if they try to charge you bulls**t fees, that you'll call them over and over again until it gets squared away.

Hey, this is life. Some businesses will try to take advantage of you. That's the way of the world. Yeah, they do have more power over you than you do over them. That does not stop you from sending multiple emails to their service department, and making multiple phone calls requesting a certain manager until someone gets the idea not to f**k with you.:D

You may think it's not worth it, but if you do not push hard for your main payment source to take care of you, it'll happen again, and you'll have to make that additional phone call anyways.

I'm not really getting what's the big deal. You lost $25.00 that you can easily get refunded if you push hard enough. All this came about because you accepted a Paypal payment with no Ebay record of a "Buy it Now". If you had not accepted that payment until the buyer had committed through Ebay, then you'd be a lot better off. They would be committed to buy the product, so you could refuse the refund. With a "Buy it Now" confirmation, Paypal is going to be MUCH less likely to automatically refund the person's money.

And as far as the person doing a stop payment or whatever through their credit card company, this is no different than anyone in a brick and mortar business that sells a high dollar item. At any time, a customer can walk out with the goods and immediately call their credit card company to reverse the charge.

Your only option is to refuse to take credit card payments under any circumstances. Good luck with that option.

You are refusing to look at it from Paypal's point of view. Lots of shady people out there doing shady stuff. If Paypal has to get involved in credit card refunds, then SOMEbody has to pay. You already acknowledged the person was acting suspicious, so why on earth did you accept the Paypal transaction from them????? From Paypal's point of view, they figure if they charge you $25.00, it will cause you to be more careful about accepting money out of the blue with no auction confirmation to back it up.

JMO,

Russ

All this came about because you accepted a Paypal payment with no Ebay record of a "Buy it Now".
i don't understand russ
i didn't accept anything
it was sent
how can i NOT accept it???
i didn't want payment from that person
as i mentioned i started ignoring her after i realized something was fishy
how do you know how payment is made?? cash or credit card from someone using paypal
help me out here russ
she made the payment AFTER i told her i would not ship cue to japan, she lives in california


 
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