Am I Missing Something Here ????

[WheatCues]

Eddie, I am not familiar with your cues but if they have as much back bone as your words, you must make a stiff hitting cue.

I don't pay attention to most of the squabbles on AZB but I know that they do go on but don't know any of the posts that went on between you and joey from cali. I just wanted to acknowledge your moxy and/or marketing efforts.
JoeyA

Thanks, actually I build my cues to hit anyway "you" want them to !

I prefer a soft to med hit myself, but I guess that's a shock considering your summary of me.... lol !!!


Sincerely, Eddie Wheat

 

[JesPiddlin]

new names

You know... I've seen a few new name cuemakers and cue repair folks come onto AZB in the year or two I've been here. Some are totally new and some have been in the business for a while before they joined the forum. Most of the time, they contribute and/or even ask questions, if they are interested in how others do some things. Everyone is usually fairly supportive, in one way or another. If the new guy says something stupid, someone usually corrects him. If someone believes in something strong enough to discuss the issue, they don't normally take the responses as an attack and start a big, nasty thread about it. And, putting others down (bullying) -- that's just plain childish. None of that is necessary.

If your goal is to advertise your product and make yourself look good, you're failing. Do yourself a favor and take a breath, then ADD GOOD STUFF to the forum. Fighting everyone you're trying to impress actually impresses no one. Help make this a better place for everyone. If you think someone dissed you, it doesn't mean you have to respond the same way. Be the bigger person. It looks good on a guy.

Personally, I think all this has gone way too far. Can we either change the direction of this thread, or let this one fade away and all contribute to some good stuff in other threads? Life is too short for such controversy!

 

[WheatCues]

You know... I've seen a few new name cuemakers and cue repair folks come onto AZB in the year or two I've been here. Some are totally new and some have been in the business for a while before they joined the forum. Most of the time, they contribute and/or even ask questions, if they are interested in how others do some things. Everyone is usually fairly supportive, in one way or another. If the new guy says something stupid, someone usually corrects him. If someone believes in something strong enough to discuss the issue, they don't normally take the responses as an attack and start a big, nasty thread about it. And, putting others down (bullying) -- that's just plain childish. None of that is necessary.

If your goal is to advertise your product and make yourself look good, you're failing. Do yourself a favor and take a breath, then ADD GOOD STUFF to the forum. Fighting everyone you're trying to impress actually impresses no one. Help make this a better place for everyone. If you think someone dissed you, it doesn't mean you have to respond the same way. Be the bigger person. It looks good on a guy.

Personally, I think all this has gone way too far. Can we either change the direction of this thread, or let this one fade away and all contribute to some good stuff in other threads? Life is too short for such controversy!

Very well said !!!!

I agree with you and thank you for taking the time to express your thoughts and suggestions...

I will do my very best to ignore some of the taunts and heckling, however it does concern me that others may think I'm cowaring down if I don't defend my honor, but I guess the end result is that.... "you just can't win regardless" so I guess I should just ignore the provoking attempts to get me fired up... a difficult task for a 1/2 irish 1/2 indian but I will do my damndest to avoid altercations... wish me luck !!!

But in all fairness, these firefights have gotten enough attention to them that it has gained me quite a few new customers due to the controversy and my valid retorts...and of course spiteful discounts !

I'm not saying I'm right or wrong, better or worse.... just DIFFERENT !

Thanks again... I always appreciate words of wisdom and sound advice !!!




Sincerely, Eddie Wheat

 

[JimS]

A friend of mine, as aspiring cuemaker, who lurks here but has not posted, told me he didn't think he would get involved in the cue makers forum on AZ... "seems like some of them are really full of themselves... like that Wheat guy".

Nuff said. Different? I don't think so. Just loud, overbearing, bullying and obnoxious. That's how you come across Eddie.

 

[JoeyA]

But in all fairness, these firefights have gotten enough attention to them that it has gained me quite a few new customers due to the controversy and my valid retorts...and of course spiteful discounts !

Sincerely, Eddie Wheat

Those spiteful discounts are costly in the short run. They could be an institution builder in the long run.

JoeyA

 

[WheatCues]

A friend of mine, as aspiring cuemaker, who lurks here but has not posted, told me he didn't think he would get involved in the cue makers forum on AZ... "seems like some of them are really full of themselves... like that Wheat guy".

Nuff said. Different? I don't think so. Just loud, overbearing, bullying and obnoxious. That's how you come across Eddie.

Well I can't please everybody... some don't want to be, and a few are impossible to....

And I will NOT be pushed around or chased away by the "big dogs" or "poser cuemakers" either... and that seems to be the going thing with a few of the past newbie cuemakers on this site who speak up and/or challenge the custom cue infrastructure...

Like I said before I must be confident and hold my ground if I am going to establish myself amongst the oversaturated industry, and those who won't fend for themselves fade into the dark, while guys like me who DO make a stand and are in your face and let you know I don't care what you think about me personally, just because some of you cuemakers do NOT like my methods and confident approach, and are annoyed with me... doesn't mean I'm any less creditable or inadequate !!!

I'm here to repair as well as build and sell custom cues to the "blue collar" players that are interested in "tools" not overpriced "art"... my work and successful working knowlege is what I'm pushing here and that is ALL that should be judged... if I was running for office than I can see where my personal credentials and public persona would come into play... but since no one here gives a damn about who I am... then I have no choice but to market my business end aspect of it !!!

Nothing personal to you "Jims" but to know me is to like me... this is a tough crowd so that dictates being tough too !

By the way... my quality of work speaks for itself along with other's comments as well... take a look for yourself on thread "requested pics of wheatcues" as well as this slideshow link of a few cues with captions :http://www.slide.com/r/ynHAAYrl2z98HJwXMAgU1KMADNw-BGGF

Enough said !!!!


- Eddie Wheat

 

[cubswin]

Personally think there are a lot of examples of new cuemakers making a name, and getting clients from this site. Most of them have been unassuming people, who got their cues into peoples hands. Generally over polite, and asking for opinions about their products.

On the other hand there is you Mr. Wheat, who comes across as a know it all that can't take any comment that you don't agree with. You may very well sell some cues here, may even make it in the long run. Getting into arguments at least gives you name recognition.

 

[WheatCues]

Personally think there are a lot of examples of new cuemakers making a name, and getting clients from this site. Most of them have been unassuming people, who got their cues into peoples hands. Generally over polite, and asking for opinions about their products.

On the other hand there is you Mr. Wheat, who comes across as a know it all that can't take any comment that you don't agree with. You may very well sell some cues here, may even make it in the long run. Getting into arguments at least gives you name recognition.

What can I say... "I love to debate !!!" but seriously, I'd like to think that your misconception of me can be corrected... as far as being a know-it-all goes: I DO claim to know it all about what works for ME and suggest my way as a working successful option... as far as dissagreement goes: comments and insults are completely different from each other, sometimes there is a fine line between the two but for the most part I would NEVER combat anyone's constructive comment...direct hurtful and degrading ones, YES !

Since I DO stand behind my convictions to the death I would expect anyone else who challenges MY way of building and repairing cues " who's NOT giving constructive opinions or comments" to do the same !!!

Like I said before about AZ, I seek advice and I share it, and have learned a few tricks recently with some good info. but will NOT tolerate direct blows or insults to my methods becasue a certain few "friends" on here do NOT approve of me and then get all bent out-of-shape becasue I dared to respond to thier "Godlike idols" with that kind of retort!!!

I'm a really nice guy and very generous by nature, but that is besides the point... THIS IS ALL ABOUT BUSINESS !!!

We are just "lowly" cuemakers/cuesmiths in a not so widely accepted and respected sport and will NEVER be of celebrity status or general sports mainstream acknowledgement... I accepted this when I WAS an inspriring pro-9 ball player, but realized many many years later, the real money is in the equipment not the tournament payouts, and then chose to repair and build cues professionally "full-time"...... so here I am !



Sincerely, WheatCues

 

[JesPiddlin]

Like I said before I must be confident

Confident people don't normally go around defending, accusing and bullying, causing such a fuss. Do a little studying and you will quickly find out that insecure people do all that. (Your shrink will confirm this.)

If you will notice, you do not have a bunch of the big name cuemakers in here, arguing with you, partly because they ARE confident. Your attitude speaks loudly for itself and is not worth them losing their good reputation over. They do not need to toot their own horn. The time they spent waiting for customer satisfaction to speak out for them was time well spent. Obviously, you are either extremely impatient and/or you are extremely insecure about your own product, so you have to toot your own horn to get the word out as fast as possible.

Nothing personal to you "Jims" but to know me is to like me... this is a tough crowd so that dictates being tough too !

This is NOT a tough crowd and you DON'T have to be tough to be a part of this place. You just have to know when to stop. All of us get a bit carried away, once in a while. You're digging a hole. I know more than enough about you, already, and it's gonna take a lot of "different" attitude to make me like you. I am very unimpressed and I am sure I am not alone.

Personally think there are a lot of examples of new cuemakers making a name, and getting clients from this site. Most of them have been unassuming people, who got their cues into peoples hands. Generally over polite, and asking for opinions about their products.

Very well said by cubswin. I have seen the same and have a lot of respect for them, also. I believe given a little time, pleasant attitude and proven customer satisfaction (which also takes TIME), a cue business has often been known to grow well in this environment. Yes, some of the top dogs can be tough, but if you are a newcomer, you have to realize when to get off the ESTABLISHED resident cuemakers' toes and allow yourself the time to gain the same kind of established reputation. Or, blow it with a very insecure attitude.

I'm a really nice guy and very generous by nature, but that is besides the point... THIS IS ALL ABOUT BUSINESS !!!

Webster's New World Dictionary:
nice -
1. fastidious; refined
2. delicate; precise; subtle
3. calling for care, tact, etc.
4. pleasant, attractive, kind, good, etc; a generalized term of approval

If you ever give yourself a chance to BE a really nice guy and your quality is as good as you say, you will find that your business will thrive, regardless of where you find yourself posting. (And you WON'T be so busy defending yourself.)

We are just "lowly" cuemakers/cuesmiths in a not so widely accepted and respected sport and will NEVER be of celebrity status or general sports mainstream acknowledgement...

I do not consider my cuemaker, nor any other cuemaker "lowly" unless he chooses to be so. Obviously, that is your choice.

I am wondering why your iTrader number is 0. I thought your attitude was helping you sell cues???

You will seldom ever find me speaking up in this manner, but you obviously need someone to say it for you... I know I speak for many others, besides myself, when I say that you could not pay me enough money to own a cue made by a person with such a poor attitude about himself. A little self-respect and a lot of patience could take you a long way.

Sad situation.

 

[turbo]

Well I can't please everybody... some don't want to be, and a few are impossible to....

And I will NOT be pushed around or chased away by the "big dogs" or "poser cuemakers" either... and that seems to be the going thing with a few of the past newbie cuemakers on this site who speak up and/or challenge the custom cue infrastructure...

Like I said before I must be confident and hold my ground if I am going to establish myself amongst the oversaturated industry, and those who won't fend for themselves fade into the dark, while guys like me who DO make a stand and are in your face and let you know I don't care what you think about me personally, just because some of you cuemakers do NOT like my methods and confident approach, and are annoyed with me... doesn't mean I'm any less creditable or inadequate !!!

I'm here to repair as well as build and sell custom cues to the "blue collar" players that are interested in "tools" not overpriced "art"... my work and successful working knowlege is what I'm pushing here and that is ALL that should be judged... if I was running for office than I can see where my personal credentials and public persona would come into play... but since no one here gives a damn about who I am... then I have no choice but to market my business end aspect of it !!!

Nothing personal to you "Jims" but to know me is to like me... this is a tough crowd so that dictates being tough too !

By the way... my quality of work speaks for itself along with other's comments as well... take a look for yourself on thread "requested pics of wheatcues" as well as this slideshow link of a few cues with captions :http://www.slide.com/r/ynHAAYrl2z98HJwXMAgU1KMADNw-BGGF

Enough said !!!!


- Eddie Wheat

you sir,,,

are giving out negative energy.. i feel it.

 

[JoeyA]

Nouveau Cyber-Jumping

Confident people don't normally go around defending, accusing and bullying, causing such a fuss. Do a little studying and you will quickly find out that insecure people do all that. (Your shrink will confirm this.)

If you will notice, you do not have a bunch of the big name cuemakers in here, arguing with you, partly because they ARE confident. Your attitude speaks loudly for itself and is not worth them losing their good reputation over. They do not need to toot their own horn. The time they spent waiting for customer satisfaction to speak out for them was time well spent. Obviously, you are either extremely impatient and/or you are extremely insecure about your own product, so you have to toot your own horn to get the word out as fast as possible.


This is NOT a tough crowd and you DON'T have to be tough to be a part of this place. You just have to know when to stop. All of us get a bit carried away, once in a while. You're digging a hole. I know more than enough about you, already, and it's gonna take a lot of "different" attitude to make me like you. I am very unimpressed and I am sure I am not alone.




Very well said by cubswin. I have seen the same and have a lot of respect for them, also. I believe given a little time, pleasant attitude and proven customer satisfaction (which also takes TIME), a cue business has often been known to grow well in this environment. Yes, some of the top dogs can be tough, but if you are a newcomer, you have to realize when to get off the ESTABLISHED resident cuemakers' toes and allow yourself the time to gain the same kind of established reputation. Or, blow it with a very insecure attitude.




Webster's New World Dictionary:
nice -
1. fastidious; refined
2. delicate; precise; subtle
3. calling for care, tact, etc.
4. pleasant, attractive, kind, good, etc; a generalized term of approval

If you ever give yourself a chance to BE a really nice guy and your quality is as good as you say, you will find that your business will thrive, regardless of where you find yourself posting. (And you WON'T be so busy defending yourself.)




I do not consider my cuemaker, nor any other cuemaker "lowly" unless he chooses to be so. Obviously, that is your choice.

I am wondering why your iTrader number is 0. I thought your attitude was helping you sell cues???

You will seldom ever find me speaking up in this manner, but you obviously need someone to say it for you... I know I speak for many others, besides myself, when I say that you could not pay me enough money to own a cue made by a person with such a poor attitude about himself. A little self-respect and a lot of patience could take you a long way.

Sad situation.

---------------

I'll start off by saying that I haven't kept up with Mr. Wheat's posts, his threads or any of the people that he is accusing of many of the things you are accusing him of.

But in this thread alone, I see some of the nouveau cyber-jumping that is far more distasteful than someone's unswerving, obstinate opinion.

There's nothing wrong with opinions. It's one of the things that makes this forum work. Cyber-jumping may be fashionable but it still stinks. I might even be guilty of it a time or two but that still doesn't make it right.

Besides you guys are making a martyr out of Eddie Wheat, the cue maker. The only difference is he comes back stronger than before.

Show Eddie a little love and maybe he too won't appear quite so brash.

JoeyA (just feeling the love here on AZ).

 

[WheatCues]

Confident people don't normally go around defending, accusing and bullying, causing such a fuss. Do a little studying and you will quickly find out that insecure people do all that. (Your shrink will confirm this.)

If you will notice, you do not have a bunch of the big name cuemakers in here, arguing with you, partly because they ARE confident. Your attitude speaks loudly for itself and is not worth them losing their good reputation over. They do not need to toot their own horn. The time they spent waiting for customer satisfaction to speak out for them was time well spent. Obviously, you are either extremely impatient and/or you are extremely insecure about your own product, so you have to toot your own horn to get the word out as fast as possible.



This is NOT a tough crowd and you DON'T have to be tough to be a part of this place. You just have to know when to stop. All of us get a bit carried away, once in a while. You're digging a hole. I know more than enough about you, already, and it's gonna take a lot of "different" attitude to make me like you. I am very unimpressed and I am sure I am not alone.




Very well said by cubswin. I have seen the same and have a lot of respect for them, also. I believe given a little time, pleasant attitude and proven customer satisfaction (which also takes TIME), a cue business has often been known to grow well in this environment. Yes, some of the top dogs can be tough, but if you are a newcomer, you have to realize when to get off the ESTABLISHED resident cuemakers' toes and allow yourself the time to gain the same kind of established reputation. Or, blow it with a very insecure attitude.




Webster's New World Dictionary:
nice -
1. fastidious; refined
2. delicate; precise; subtle
3. calling for care, tact, etc.
4. pleasant, attractive, kind, good, etc; a generalized term of approval

If you ever give yourself a chance to BE a really nice guy and your quality is as good as you say, you will find that your business will thrive, regardless of where you find yourself posting. (And you WON'T be so busy defending yourself.)




I do not consider my cuemaker, nor any other cuemaker "lowly" unless he chooses to be so. Obviously, that is your choice.

I am wondering why your iTrader number is 0. I thought your attitude was helping you sell cues???

You will seldom ever find me speaking up in this manner, but you obviously need someone to say it for you... I know I speak for many others, besides myself, when I say that you could not pay me enough money to own a cue made by a person with such a poor attitude about himself. A little self-respect and a lot of patience could take you a long way.

Sad situation.

WHAT IS AN "iTRADE" ?????




- Eddie

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

WHAT IS AN "iTRADE" ?????




- Eddie

Something you you do not have, but may want. Two click will tell you more than you may want to know.

 

[cubswin]

---------------

I'll start off by saying that I haven't kept up with Mr. Wheat's posts, his threads or any of the people that he is accusing of many of the things you are accusing him of.

But in this thread alone, I see some of the nuveau cyber-jumping that is far more distasteful than someone's unswerving, obstinate opinion.

There's nothing wrong with opinions. It's one of the things that makes this forum work. Cyber-jumping may be fashionable but it still stinks. I might even be guilty of it a time or two but that still doesn't make it right.

Besides you guys are making a martyr out of Eddie Wheat, the cue maker. The only difference is he comes back stronger than before.

Show Eddie a little love and maybe he too won't appear quite so brash.

JoeyA (just feeling the love here on AZ).

He opened the door by making this post to begin with. Which leads to opinions, one way or another. I gave my opinion because I like to buy cues from new cuemakers, and so far I wouldn't buy one from him because of the perceived attitude. I like to try out unknown makers, sometimes you find some real gems.

 

[WheatCues]

Something you you do not have, but may want. Two click will tell you more than you may want to know.

Well that's pretty cool and useful too !

So now my customers can actually rate me on itrade instead of leaving good posts....too

I had no idea that even existed.... it reads "0" activity....

of course I have never looked at the other featured on az yet.. it seems when I have the time to get on here. I'm usually responding to forum posts....

I will definitley check into this and let me customers know to complete the survey on itrade.... after receiving their orders...

Thats definitley a +++++ to other potential customers being able to see my credentials besides other threads and posts and your rep level...

Thanks a bunch !!!!



Sincerely, Eddie Wheat

 

[WheatCues]

He opened the door by making this post to begin with. Which leads to opinions, one way or another. I gave my opinion because I like to buy cues from new cuemakers, and so far I wouldn't buy one from him because of the perceived attitude. I like to try out unknown makers, sometimes you find some real gems.

Once again, you aren't buying my personality, you would be buying a custom fitted cue....

By all means I wouldn't want you to "try" me out because I'm new... I want customers who want to improve thier performance and are looking to purchase a "tool" at a reasonable price to achieve that goal....

Everyone thus far who has spoken with me on the phone realized I'm very sincere and how passionate I am about my work and also very easy to talk to....

I'm sure you can understand that I actually care about who recieves my work and their intentions with it, becasue once again I do NOT build "tools" for resale on the secondary market !

I believe this is a major plus for "players" and enthusists who are looking for an "edge" !


Sincerely, Eddie Wheat

 

[p1noy]

Here's my opinion ---->

----> This thread should be on the Wanted/For Sale Forum..

321-631-1827 ---> 50% off on custom cues (April only, look for Eddie)

 

[JoeyA]

----> This thread should be on the Wanted/For Sale Forum..

321-631-1827 ---> 50% off on custom cues (April only, look for Eddie)

LOL. Good one.

JoeyA (I agree, but his last name or company name should be added)

 

[cubswin]

Once again, you aren't buying my personality, you would be buying a custom fitted cue....

hate to disagree, but when I'm buying a cue I'm also looking at the overall experience with the cuemaker. Not just the cue. Before I'll ever buy a cue, the cuemaker has to sell him/herself. It may be someone other than the cuemaker, for instance someone I trust that likes the cue, that actually gets me interested. However, if I find the cuemaker to come across in a unfavorable light I'll pick one of the hundreds of others.

Thats just me, but I suspect I'm not the only one.

 

[WheatCues]

hate to disagree, but when I'm buying a cue I'm also looking at the overall experience with the cuemaker. Not just the cue. Before I'll ever buy a cue, the cuemaker has to sell him/herself. It may be someone other than the cuemaker, for instance someone I trust that likes the cue, that actually gets me interested. However, if I find the cuemaker to come across in a unfavorable light I'll pick one of the hundreds of others.

Thats just me, but I suspect I'm not the only one.

That is a fair and honest statement about "your" personal prerequisites when shopping for your custom cue, and I can respect that completely !!!


- Eddie Wheat