Amazing Closest Jump Shot I Seen
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Looks a little fishy to me....I think there's a little trickery going on here. Place your cursor (arrow) on any of the blemishes (white dots) on the table before the shot. Leave it there during the shot, you'll see the camera angle 'jumps' mysteriously. A good bit at that....
You wouldn't think that whoever was holding the camera would jump that much during the actual shot. Considering how still the camera was before, and after the shot.
Something's going on here.....I think it's been edited.
Rick S.
You wouldn't think that whoever was holding the camera would jump that much during the actual shot. Considering how still the camera was before, and after the shot.
Something's going on here.....I think it's been edited.
Rick S.
Wasn't there a slow motion video that showed these close jumps are actually fouls? I think the ball jumps up and hits the tip/stick in the air and that's what sends it forward over the ball... It's just too quick to see.
Doesn't look like a foul to me. Absolutely amazing.
seymore15074 said:
You are correct.
One can simply imagine or maybe one of our math guys can provide the math for jumping over a ball without fouling at 1/8". The object ball's diameter is a pretty far distance to travel for the cue ball.
The cue ball would have to jump an INCREDIBLE HEIGHT to be able to make it over the object ball without help from the shaft or some other assistant. I'm just guessing the height of the cue ball would have to be several feet high. You would have to jump higher than the light fixture.
JoeyA
I've seen Ned Morris of Ned Morris custom cues do this same jump over and over and over and over. He put a credit card between the two balls.
Wasn't that a video that trick shot artist Eric Yow posted ??? It showed in slow motion the cue ball actually hits the shaft and squirts forward....Eric said the shot is not legal because it hits the shaft....
Besides... Use logic....How can a heavy ball go straight up and then in mid air go forward....To me it just doesn't seem logical.....
Besides... Use logic....How can a heavy ball go straight up and then in mid air go forward....To me it just doesn't seem logical.....
cubc said:
But you can't see it. Would you call foul on a miscued attempt to draw a ball? ...that's also too fast to see, but you can hear it--and it's a double hit...
The cuestick quickly gets out of the way, backwards because of the light weight of the shaft. I don't hear a foul, but I suppose there could be one. If you think about it, though the circumference of the cue ball hopping over another sphere is not tantamount to the ball having to go straight up in the air.
The cue stick being slightly tilted does appear to cause the ball to go forward. Sorry, I don't see a foul.
Danny K
The cue stick being slightly tilted does appear to cause the ball to go forward. Sorry, I don't see a foul.
Danny K
Handsumm
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Yep, foul. There was a previous thread on this that became HUGE. I did the math on it, and found that it was impossible for the cue ball NOT to strike the shaft and move forward.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=53528&highlight=convinced
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=53528&highlight=convinced
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Just because the cue ball runs up the shaft 4-5 inches, doesn't mean its a foul, does it???
Russ.......
Russ.......
JoeyA said:You are correct.
One can simply imagine or maybe one of our math guys can provide the math for jumping over a ball without fouling at 1/8". The object ball's diameter is a pretty far distance to travel for the cue ball.
The cue ball would have to jump an INCREDIBLE HEIGHT to be able to make it over the object ball without help from the shaft or some other assistant. I'm just guessing the height of the cue ball would have to be several feet high. You would have to jump higher than the light fixture.
JoeyA
I did some computations last year
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=610950#post610950
Basically for the 1mm jump the angle only has to be about 80 degrees and the cue ball only has to go up 6 inches to clear the object ball.
I agree, foul....but I'd be willing to bet just as much that it is a foul that you would also have an argument over this if someone shoots it as good as shown here or like Nevel does.
ALOT of folks who are asked to call the hit on a shot like this will say No Foul.
On a similar but different note, last week at our local 9ball tourny, the following happened. The guy shooting against Laura Lindaeur had whitey stuck up close to the object ball. Before he shoots Laura turns to AZB's own AZE and asks him to call the hit. AZE calls foul and the shooter rejects that call and starts arguing. Whats the point of calling for a 3rd party to watch the hit if the shooter wont accept the call? I think this kind of jump shot will likely create some controversy if shot in a game for sure.
ALOT of folks who are asked to call the hit on a shot like this will say No Foul.
On a similar but different note, last week at our local 9ball tourny, the following happened. The guy shooting against Laura Lindaeur had whitey stuck up close to the object ball. Before he shoots Laura turns to AZB's own AZE and asks him to call the hit. AZE calls foul and the shooter rejects that call and starts arguing. Whats the point of calling for a 3rd party to watch the hit if the shooter wont accept the call? I think this kind of jump shot will likely create some controversy if shot in a game for sure.
skyman said:
REP to you skyman. Those are some interesting calculations.
I took two pool balls and separated them approximately 1/24th of an inch and placed a thin but rigid stainless steel 18" ruler between them and then tilted the ruler until it was almost touching the other object ball. Where the ruler was half way over the 2nd object ball, the ruler height was
8 1/2". That's Joey's lab work of: Observe, theorize, measure and test.
JoeyA
skyman said:
I've done calculations, too. To get the ball to travel forward far enough, it has to reach a height of about a foot--if it was traveling straight without gravity. Just to estimate the arch from gravity, divide that number in half and it's about 6 inches.
But I still don't think you can do it and get the shaft out of the way fast enough...it's just not possible.