An apology

This subject has been beat to death on this forum !..There are as many different answers, as there are different age groups and personalities !..99% of all pool action, is without a referee..Most pool players are predatory in nature, hence the odds of them calling a foul on themselves, is VERY unlikely !..... The OP may be the first one I've seen, who 'fessed up' after the fact ! :embarrassed2: (he may have realized too many witnessed the infraction ?)

It is similar to how many pool player's will admit to "dumping"..You can take all the polls you want, but they will only be as accurate as the 'truthful' responses !..One can only wish that pool had the reputation for fairness, that golf (or most other sports) have !..Sadly, it'll be a long while before we catch up..:sorry:
 
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Integrity....Honesty.......beaten to death......hardly the case and besides, it's not preached enough nowadays.
And this thread & related posts are less than 4 hrs old....."A little impatient are we ?" as Yoda might say.
 
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Bavafongoul said:
Integrity....Honesty.......beaten to death......hardly the case and besides, it's not preached enough nowadays.
And this thread & related posts are less than 4 hrs old....."A little impatient are we ?" as Yoda might say.
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I assume you are quoting me ?...It is hard to tell, as most of your space is taken up with the cue sticks you
own !..Nice try though..You are actually re-enforcing my observations, about age groups and personalities !...:rolleyes:

Yoda would be jealous of all those cues ! :p
 
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ScottK said:
I owe a sincere apology to pool, mostly to those present at Chris's yesterday.

Having done what I could at the time to make it right, and feeling as I did so successfully, I think the details are better left unsaid.
Embarrassingly however, at one point yesterday, I failed to call a foul on myself. This is grossly atypical of me, and I don't know why, or how I could let this happen. The fact remains it did, it was wrong, and I am sorry.

It wasn't typical of me to do so, and it would be less typical of me to not come clean about it.
So, I am coming clean. I cheated. No matter how slightly, nor that I made up for it, I did.
I'm sorry, in the truest sense of the word.
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Good for you to post, I've always felt better about doing the right thing and felt worse when I didn't. I guess it's these experiences that make us who we are and you will be better for this one.
 
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I will call a foul on my self, and will be able to sleep at night. That is my choice. You do what you think is right.
I will also give you the best rack I can.
I will feel a sense of accomplishment when I win. If I did it any other way, I wouldn't feel like I had accomplished anything worthwhile.
It isn't my job to judge you. You are a grown adult. I do judge myself, however.
 
poolfool1957 said:
I agree with trob....how is it cheating to not call a foul on yourself? As another sports analogy....if I'm trying to stretch a single into a double and I know the tag beat me to the base should I declare myself out? If the Ump blows that call is it my responsibility to correct him/her?
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PF, what a horrible analogy. The ump makes the call, and what he says goes.. right or wrong. U get a few bad calls, and then you get a few good calls in the course of a month.... we know they are not right 100% of the time....

In pool, there are NO refs, so it's on the person shooting to do the right thing... most folks will, unfortunately, many won't. Kinda sad actually, to just win a pool game someone is going to risk their integrity and reputation... just plan silly and dishonest.

I'm not talking about gamblers and road hustlers, we are talking about some guys playing in a league or some nickel and dime tournament.......
 
Riding home with Scott last night - he was sincere about this.

He's definitely a pool purist and I'm with him on his choice to admit this.

May your soul rest a little easier now buddy.
 
I think you remove ALL obligation for the opponent to pay attention to the game or match when you call your own fouls. Part of the game is paying attention. Why would you gamble and then chose to BS with others while your opponent may or may not have fouled?
If you chose to allow distractions or you chose to walk up to the bar to get a drink, text, or do anything other than pay attention how much respect are you showing the game or your opponent?

In the leagues I play in and also, the league tourneys, you would probably be asked to leave the venue if you did call a foul on yourself (ok...a bit of a stretch but you would be ridiculed by your team if not chastised). This does not mean you should lie when your opponent calls a foul. If you fouled...honesty is a requirement in your reply.

My perspective on this is not that one is trying to cheat or be dishonest. Mine is that you are in a game or a match with purpose and you are indeed obligated to pay attention when I shoot as I will when you shoot. I'll ask for a ref if I feel your shot may lead to a foul and I would expect you to ask for a ref if my shot makes you nervous.
 
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I play pool regularly with a guy who fouls all the time. He knows its wrong and never says a thing(for a good reason). He knows he did wrong but he thinks he needs that advantage to be competitive. When he fouls and ignores it I run out on him to show him I noticed.
All the rail birds know what I am doing and once Leopoldo fouls they all grown because they know what is about to go down.
 
poolfool1957 said:
I think you remove ALL obligation for the opponent to pay attention to the game or match when you call your own fouls. Part of the game is paying attention. Why would you gamble and then chose to BS with others while your opponent may or may not have fouled?
If you chose to allow distractions or you chose to walk up to the bar to get a drink, text, or do anything other than pay attention how much respect are you showing the game or your opponent?

In the leagues I play in and also, the league tourneys, you would probably be asked to leave the venue if you did call a foul on yourself (ok...a bit of a stretch but you would be ridiculed by your team if not chastised). This does not mean you should lie when your opponent calls a foul. If you fouled...honesty is a requirement in your reply.

My perspective on this is not that one is trying to cheat or be dishonest. Mine is that you are in a game or a match with purpose and you are indeed obligated to pay attention when I shoot as I will when you shoot. I'll ask for a ref if I feel your shot may lead to a foul and I would expect you to ask for a ref if my shot makes you nervous.
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There is one problem with this. 50 percent of fouls are barely noticeable from 10 feet away. For instance you double cued on the follow through.....you had a close hit and barely hit wrong ball first.....you had object ball or cue ball get very close to rail but didn't touch the rail....etc. Some fouls just can't be seen from a distance, and its up to you to realize not just what the rules are, but what is fair to your opponent and to yourself. Some people just have to grow up and act like an adult.

If you lie to someone, and they never find out, does that make it right? No. Its a lie. If you commit a foul and don't tell your opponent, you are a liar. Doesn't matter if you got away with it or not. Does that mean your opponent shouldn't pay attention? Of course not. But not everything can be seen from the chair.

If I am going to be ridiculed for being a stand up guy, then so be it. I can live with that!
 
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bdorman said:
Was that when you took the last slice of pepperoni pizza?

Apology denied. Burn in hell.
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If you guys had met this man, you'd understand how funny this is.
Good stuff..

OP thanks for the confession. Don't sweat it.
I lifted all of your wallets...and Angels umbrella.
 
ChicagoRJ said:
PF, what a horrible analogy. The ump makes the call, and what he says goes.. right or wrong. U get a few bad calls, and then you get a few good calls in the course of a month.... we know they are not right 100% of the time....

In pool, there are NO refs, so it's on the person shooting to do the right thing... most folks will, unfortunately, many won't. Kinda sad actually, to just win a pool game someone is going to risk their integrity and reputation... just plan silly and dishonest.

I'm not talking about gamblers and road hustlers, we are talking about some guys playing in a league or some nickel and dime tournament.......
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If someone has to get away with something to win, then they had no integrity to start with! Cant risk something they didn't have to begin with.
 
you should put on your big boy pants and call the foul on yourself. other wise you are killing the gam.
 
I think maybe you need to do it once so you can find out just how shitty you feel about yourself for doing it. I did it once not even playing for anything 15 years ago and it still bothers me. I dont even know who i was playing or if i even won that game but i remember that bad split second decision to keep shooting. I was wrong and i disappointed myself and it hasn't and wont happen again.
 
To OP, you'll sleep better.

If your Scott "Cohen, Cohn, Coan or Kohen" and were involved in a "valley" table fiasco in Memphis some time ago there is still time to make it right.
 
I can't imagine compromising your integrity over a pool game. Kudos to the op for coming clean and admiring your mistake.
 
SJDinPHX said:
(he may have realized too many witnessed the infraction ?)
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As far as I know, no one in the room was aware of the foul but myself. I didn't post because I think someone knew, I posted because I knew.


Mr. Bond said:
If you guys had met this man, you'd understand how funny this is.
Good stuff..
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This is indeed funny. I LOL'd.


ribdoner said:
To OP, you'll sleep better.

If your Scott "Cohen, Cohn, Coan or Kohen" and were involved in a "valley" table fiasco in Memphis some time ago there is still time to make it right.
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I am not.
 
I'm glad you posted this Scott. I was playing two tables away on the end table and I saw you take a shot that I thought was a foul. When you didn't call it on yourself I figured I just saw it wrong. But I watched you a little closer. :).
 
Barring some unforeseen need to reply to any subsequent comments, this will be my last post here. I just wanted to be clear.

I posted for no reason other than to admit I'd done something wrong. Something which I am of the opinion should never be done in this game. I am truly embarrassed to have done it, but would be more embarrassed not to admit fault.

I would never, in anything, claim to have not made my share of mistakes. What I would claim, in everything, is my willingness to accept responsibility for them. That is all I wanted to do with this post.

I appreciate the comments. Think of me what you will.
 
Hey man. Don't let the 'holier than thou' types get you down. I hate when someone is a big man and says: 'I made a mistake' and people pile on and say 'you made a mistake!'

Um... isn't that the point of what you were saying?

Anyway...I think you're great and I only posted what I did because a) it's the truth and b) to remind everyone that nothing happens in a vacuum.
 
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