I'll find the MSDS for the reel magic for me. I'll read for myself.
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I'll find the MSDS for the reel magic for me. I'll read for myself.
I agree. Went to a friend's house a couple of weeks and something very weird was going on with the balls. They were sliding several inches off the cushion on every bank shot hit with decent speed. We were playing 1pocket, and he told me he had cleaned all the balls just before I showed up. He used tire shine out of a spray can. It was very annoying to say the least. We had to deal with the sliding and weird cb control for about an hour before the stuff finally wore off and the balls started behaving normal again. These effects would probably go unnoticed non-players.
Try washing with mild soap and water and then rinsing.
Anyone who can draw the cue ball will be amazed (for an hour) by how much better their stroke is with the crap on the balls.
The MSDS isn't going to show a lot to be alarmed about other than LD50 numbers which are always kind of alarming to me. Make sure you look up the MSDS for both the aerosol and the pump spray bottle. For some reason they are different ingredients.
Thanks Bob. And you are so right about cb action with crap on the balls. It sure makes it tough to play shapes!
Dan... first I love chemistry. It is what the world is made of. And I like to learn. But I do think you blew this product hazard out of proportion. For the benefit of everyone, so you can make an informed decision.....
Benzophenone-3
Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbon
Dimethylpoly Siloxanes
These are the 3 main ingredients listed.
Benzophenone-3 (oxybenzone) Benzophenone-3 (BP-3) is a naturally occurring chemical found in some flowering plants. BP-3 absorbs and scatters the sun’s harmful ultraviolet (UV) rays. For this reason, it is produced for use as sunscreen in lotions, conditioners, and cosmetics. BP-3 also is used in plastic products to block and prevent UV rays from altering the plastic and the contents inside.
Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbon... The Isoparaffins covered in this manuscript are branched aliphatic hydrocarbons with a carbon skeleton length ranging from approximately C10 to C15. They are used in the manufacture of liquid imaging toners, paint formulations, charcoal lighter fluid, furniture polishes and floor clearners. Potential exposure exists in the petroleum, printing and paint industries. Isoparaffins have a very low order of acute toxicity, being practically non-toxic by oral, dermal and inhalation routes. However, aspiration of liquid isoparaffins into the lungs during oral ingestion could result in severe pulmonary injury. Dermally, isoparaffins have produced slight to moderate irritation in animals and humans under occluded patch conditions where evaporation cannot freely occur. However, they are not irritating in non-occluded tests, which are a more realistic simulation of human exposure.
Dimethylpoly Siloxanes...Polydimethylsiloxane (PDMS) belongs to a group of polymeric organosilicon compounds that are commonly referred to as silicones.[1] PDMS is the most widely used silicon-based organic polymer, and is particularly known for its unusual rheological (or flow) properties. PDMS is optically clear, and, in general, inert, non-toxic, and non-flammable. It is also called dimethicone and is one of several types of silicone oil (polymerized siloxane). Its applications range from contact lenses and medical devices to elastomers; it is also present in shampoos (as dimethicone makes hair shiny and slippery), food (antifoaming agent), caulking, lubricants and heat-resistant tiles.
Ok... There is no mention of aerosol propellants on the MSDS. You mention a LD 50 number. For all of you to know, the value of LD50 for a substance is the dose required to kill half the members of a tested population after a specified test duration. There is no LD50 number in the MSDS info. I would be interested to know what number and dosage you come up with, and where this info is.
Now the question still remains as to if it is good for use on the pool table. I think not for the reasons given by BC21 above. Usually lack of maintenance is the problem. Vacuum the cloth with a horse hair brush attachment, on a regular basis, and all will be good.
Now everyone can say they learned something on AZ today. I learned more by studying this. And Dan, I don't mind spirited discussion. Please continue.
Benzophenone-3
Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbon
Dimethylpoly Siloxanes
These are the 3 main ingredients listed.
Benzophenone-3 (oxybenzone) Benzophenone-3 (BP-3) is a naturally occurring chemical found in some flowering plants. BP-3 absorbs and scatters the sun’s harmful ultraviolet (UV) rays. For this reason, it is produced for use as sunscreen in lotions, conditioners, and cosmetics. BP-3 also is used in plastic products to block and prevent UV rays from altering the plastic and the contents inside.
Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbon... The Isoparaffins covered in this manuscript are branched aliphatic hydrocarbons with a carbon skeleton length ranging from approximately C10 to C15. They are used in the manufacture of liquid imaging toners, paint formulations, charcoal lighter fluid, furniture polishes and floor clearners. Potential exposure exists in the petroleum, printing and paint industries. Isoparaffins have a very low order of acute toxicity, being practically non-toxic by oral, dermal and inhalation routes. However, aspiration of liquid isoparaffins into the lungs during oral ingestion could result in severe pulmonary injury. Dermally, isoparaffins have produced slight to moderate irritation in animals and humans under occluded patch conditions where evaporation cannot freely occur. However, they are not irritating in non-occluded tests, which are a more realistic simulation of human exposure.
Dimethylpoly Siloxanes...Polydimethylsiloxane (PDMS) belongs to a group of polymeric organosilicon compounds that are commonly referred to as silicones.[1] PDMS is the most widely used silicon-based organic polymer, and is particularly known for its unusual rheological (or flow) properties. PDMS is optically clear, and, in general, inert, non-toxic, and non-flammable. It is also called dimethicone and is one of several types of silicone oil (polymerized siloxane). Its applications range from contact lenses and medical devices to elastomers; it is also present in shampoos (as dimethicone makes hair shiny and slippery), food (antifoaming agent), caulking, lubricants and heat-resistant tiles.
Ok... There is no mention of aerosol propellants on the MSDS. You mention a LD 50 number. For all of you to know, the value of LD50 for a substance is the dose required to kill half the members of a tested population after a specified test duration. There is no LD50 number in the MSDS info. I would be interested to know what number and dosage you come up with, and where this info is.
Now the question still remains as to if it is good for use on the pool table. I think not for the reasons given by BC21 above. Usually lack of maintenance is the problem. Vacuum the cloth with a horse hair brush attachment, on a regular basis, and all will be good.
Now everyone can say they learned something on AZ today. I learned more by studying this. And Dan, I don't mind spirited discussion. Please continue.
I found this website which shows MSDS's for the aerosol and the pump spray, which are different:
https://www.ttiblakemore.com/product-category/real-magic/
The first link shows an MSDS for the two ingredients listed, though it contains toxicological information only on the naphtha component. See section 11 for the LD50 info. The MSDS in the second link to the right is for the chemicals you mentioned, though this is just a one page scan from the MSDS.
I didn't spend a lot of time scanning the details of these sheets. If I think back on it, my main gut reaction came when the OP said to spray it on the inside of your glove (I think the only place he left out was the underarms). Pardon my saying so, but the OP has a history of hypocrisy and telling tall tales, so that definitely factored into my response. I mean, to me it was a given that this is a dumb thing to do simply from a play-ability stand point, much less a health hazard. If anybody else posted this I wouldn't use words like "dumb" but after awhile you lose patience with some people.
I guess I don't appreciate when an unqualified person goes around telling everybody how harmless a particular chemical is when he in fact has no idea what he is talking about. Of course if this stuff were made of pure benzene it wouldn't be on the market. But that's my point... pure benzene USED TO BE on the market! "Hey good gentlemen, hear ye, hear ye. Container right here in this little bottle is magic... REAL MAGIC! Put a little dab on your boots and it will take the day's grime right out. Good for the suspenders, and don't forget to wipe down the outhouse monthly. This lil' bottle raght here is non other than 100% American made benzene - our newest miracle product! Only 10c for a gallon jug!"
So now fast forward 100 years and we think we are so smart that we couldn't possibly let hazardous chemicals out to the public. Not so. Look at all the lawsuits on TV for pharma products that you saw ads for 6 months prior. One that comes to mind was a birth control pill. I can remember the commercials (buncha women diving into a pool ala Busby Berkeley) but the product name escapes me at the moment. They had to pull the product. Lab testing isn't as good as releasing the product to a million people. If 10 people out of a million are harmed the product is doomed, but you won't necessarily see that in a lab. Yes, we're much better at it now than in the past, but that doesn't mean everything on the market is safe.
So my point isn't that the MSDS shows how bad it is. My point is that the MSDS isn't always right. In this particular case the different ingredients are nothing new. However, "light alkylates" is a cat and dog brew of similar fractions and I bet there are small amounts of compounds that are not listed and may or may not be bad for you. Finally, I just have to say as a matter of principle it just isn't a good idea to spray petroleum distillates all over the room in a way it wasn't intended. And, yes, I was a bit curt toward the OP, but that's another story!
Oh, and I agree... chemistry is pretty cool. :thumbup:
I doubt a single person on here would spray any type of lubricant on their table or balls. Never seen anything good come from it, makes the balls react funny, too much draw/follow, not enough side spin. The health issues being there or not does not eve come into play for me, you will never get a good playing table unless all you look for is how fast it plays.
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