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Just to keep the ball rolling, here's another table I just threw balls around on. Not from a video, but randomly. How would you play them?
Jeff

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Marop said:
9 -2 -8 -6 -5 -3 or (3 -5) 7 in the side
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I'm not sure I can hold the cue ball for the 2 on the first shot. Maybe 9, 6 in the bottom side, 5-3 (corner)-2-8-7. If you can get the right angle on the 6, it looks like minimum cue ball movement all confined to the first shot.
 
Here's a link to what I decided to do with spin and explanations of the way I was thinking. Any comments and suggestions are welcome.
Thanks,
Jeff

http://CueTable.com/P/?@4ATFi4BLYB3CHOb3EGQG3FKPL4GMCU3HGbj4IGxY4PCoP4bMCU1beGF4kCoP4kKni4kbfW3kArD3qcMpMy_thinking_is_to_get_to_the_5-ball_as_soon_as_I_can._The_7_in_the_side_back_out_to_the_middle_of_the_table_will_hopefully_leave_me_with_a_good_shot_on_the_6_to_get_the_5,_but_if_I_fall_wrong_I_have_the_9_as_insurance.&ZZ2uClA@4ATFi4BLYB3CHOb3EGQG3FKPL1GeGF3HGbj4IGxY3PArD3aKPL3abjs3kArD3kJAw3kaxy3kQsH2uBvD@4ATFi4BLYB3CHOb3EGQG3Fbjs1GeGF3HGbj4IGxY3PQsH3YGQG4YdWr3kQsH3kIkx3kQVy1uBGA@4ATFi4BLYB3CHOb4EdWx3Fbjs1GeGF3HGbj4IGxY3PQVy3cGbj4cdOk3kQVy3kJEj4kCPO3qYuJWanting_options_I_decide_to_play_for_a_zone_where_I_can_make_either_the_3_or_9.&ZZ3uBfJ@4ATFi4BLYB3CHOb4EdWx3FcIs1GeGF4HdOk4IGxY4PCPO3WHOb3WcYt4kCPO3kFSO3kThj3kask3kHLm2qQtF&ZZ2rRxyI_don't_like_the_3_as_a_key_ball_to_the_break_shot_and_the_9,_although_fine_as_a_key_ball_would_be_harder_to_fall_on_than_the_2_for_the_key_ball._So_the_way_the_balls_rolled_I_have_to_do_something_fancy_to_get_the_proper_angle_on_the_9_to_get_on_the_2._&ZZ2uCUH@4ATFi4BLYB3CcYt4EdWx3FcIs1GeGF4HeEq4IGxY3PHLm4dGxY4dcYq3kHLm4kEtP3kAWk3kBtE2qQtF&ZZ3raDSA_pretty_big_margin_for_error_on_the_2,_although_I_prefer_falling_like_this_so_I_can_go_one_rail_off_of_the_cushion,_under_the_1,_for_the_break_shot_leave,_since_the_1_is_close_to_the_cushion._&ZZ1uBWG@4ATFi4BLYB3CcYt4EdWx3FcIs1GeGF4HeEq4IcYq3PBtE4VLYB4Vcpn3kBtE4kJDv4kbgi4kUia2qQtF&ZZ3rWhdStriking_the_cushion_just_opposite_the_1_ball_with_spin_gives_plenty_of_room_for_error_to_fall_nicely_on_the_break_shot.&ZZ3uApI@
 
Bob Jewett said:
I'm not sure I can hold the cue ball for the 2 on the first shot. Maybe 9, 6 in the bottom side, 5-3 (corner)-2-8-7. If you can get the right angle on the 6, it looks like minimum cue ball movement all confined to the first shot.
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It looks like the 3 doesn't pass the 2. I was also worried about hitting the 8 going the way you guys are going. Maybe it's really not an issue. But that's one reason I took the 7 in the side first.

Jeff
 
I wasn't able to do this with the other sequence, so I figured I had to create a URL link, but here is my sequence.Again, comments and criticisms are welcome.
Jeff

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Bluepepper

Way to much cue ball movement, John taught me that straight pool is about minimum cue ball movement. The 7 ball is the key ball with the 3 or 5leading directly into it. If you don't think you can hold the cue ball off of the nine than just go to the end rail and back out for the 2. I just set it up and it worked perfectly.
 
I sure couldn't name each ball in order for sure from here. I think I'd go from the 9 directly to the 3 or 5 on the first shot. Removing one of those two balls ASAP so as to leave the option open for a break + key ball on either side and re-evaluate from there.
 
Marop said:
Bluepepper
Way to much cue ball movement, John taught me that straight pool is about minimum cue ball movement. The 7 ball is the key ball with the 3 or 5leading directly into it. If you don't think you can hold the cue ball off of the nine than just go to the end rail and back out for the 2. I just set it up and it worked perfectly.
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You make some great points. And the first thing I did when looking at this was to locate a key ball and a ball that lined up as a stop shot to the key ball. The 3 or 5 look perfect.

But...
Here's the reason I went with my pattern:

The thing that I questioned was the tricky angle on the 9. It looks like a half ball hit, which has a very reliable/stubborn 30 or so degree release angle which would send it into the 8-ball. I don't think I could hold it off of the 9, and even if I played for the one-rail shot and it happened to miss the 8-ball, it would be hard to keep it from bumping into the 3 or 5. It's probably pretty safe to bump into the 8 though, but since the balls are open why take the chance. At least that's my mindset.

Another option would be to draw off of the 9 to hit the cushion between the 8 and the upper left corner going two rails, but it's touchy, speed control is an issue, and I could be left with either a really bad angle on the 5 or 6 or too close to them with nothing at all.

Also, if you leave the 6,5,3 for last, it's such a small area in which to control the cueball. I think getting rid of the 6 and the 5 early is a good idea because although they look like perfect key balls, I think they would show their true colors as trouble balls if your cueball control isn't John Schmidt perfect. They may be a slam dunk for you, but I'm constantly thinking insurance insurance insurance.

So that's why I chose to move the cueball so much. The shots I took, although they may not be ideal, were pretty easy to play and came with what I though were some solid guarantees.

Thanks,
Jeff
 
junksecret said:
Well, *I* gotta agree with Marop, that's the exact order I came up with too.
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Yeah, I'm probably overthinking it. And it may be easy to get the cueball in position for the 2 after the 9, even if it is off of the rail. Actually by drawing off the 9 with a kill stroke and going beyond the 8, you really can't get into trouble. You either have the 8 in the bottom corner or the 2. If it ends up being the 8, then afterwards a stun shot on the 2 will bring the cueball to center table for the 6 in the upper left corner which may be easier than wiggling into that small space for the 6 in the bottom side.

I still don't like leaving the 6,5,3 for last, but maybe because I don't feel as confident with my cueball control as you guys. That said, my second sequence leaves them for last as well.

Thanks guys,
Jeff
 
Bluepepper, I think that 6 is just a bit too high as a great option. on page 3, you opted to play the 9 in the upper corner but stopped short of bumping the 3/5. why not bump the 3/5 to manufacture a new break ball and then play the 6 in the upper side afterwards?
 
actually, after manufacturing the new break ball, you may want to play the 3, then the 2, then the 8, and then the 6 in the upper side as your key ball.
 
I like the 6 as my breakout ball after this order:

9 bottom left
2 bottom left
8 top left
3 or 5 bottom left
3 or 5 bottom left
7 bottom side
1 bottom left leave cb a little top of center left of side pockets
6 top left for break out
 
I would go 9 - 8 - 3 (if the 3 passes the 2) bump the 5 and depending on where the cb ends up there are a few choices from there...
 
nuklhd said:
I like the 6 as my breakout ball after this order:

9 bottom left
2 bottom left
8 top left
3 or 5 bottom left
3 or 5 bottom left
7 bottom side
1 bottom left leave cb a little top of center left of side pockets
6 top left for break out
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The same idea for me!
 
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