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[Andrew Manning]

I'm curious -

Just to change things around. I mean, it's pretty obvious solids has a HUGE advantage here. What would you do to start turning the tide if you were stripes?

Desperate times call for desperate measures; I'd consider the shot on page 1, to break up one problem and try to get ball in hand. If I got ball in hand, I'd have to look to break up the 8-10 while playing another lock-up safe, possibly trying to leave the CB frozen to the 10, shown on page 2. If I got ball in hand again, I'd try the run-out starting from the 14, drawing the CB into the 15 to bump it in front of the side pocket, hoping to end up with a shot on the 15 or the 10 afterwards.

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All of this is pretty low-percentage, but it's better than giving up.

-Andrew

 

[CrownCityCorey]

I had a similar scenario as below come up for me the other day. I'm solids and my opponent under-estimated the trouble he was in as stripes. When he deliberately allowed me back to the table, without hesitation I began firing away and ran out.

I'm sure many of you will see it immediately but I guess my point is to get others to think outside the box a little.

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5-6-7 cross side 8 (really big side pocket with the 15 there).

 

[Russ Chewning]

Hit the 5, get straight in on the 6. Take the 7 next, stunning off the rail a bit, and bank the 8 in the side. You have a freaking HUGE pocket to bank at. His 15 is a nightmare, and he might not be able to throw in either the 12 or 13 on a combo.

The only possible way you could really mess up bad is to get on the bank, and double kiss the 8 into the 15, bringing it off the rail. You'll probably have hit the 10 into a spot from which breaking out the 12/13 will be much easier.

Make sure not to hit the bank TOO wide, for these reasons. But honestly, I'm not even considering missing the bank with a pocket this wide.

Hmmmm... I had a "B" moment there. Cooooool. Back to my C player mediocrity.

Russ

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

Given the position of the CB I think I'd be cutting the 11 softly onto the the 6 pushing it to the rail as close to the 14 as possible. OR and I think this is much riskier, I'd kick the 10 up to the 8. Speed for this shot very difficult to judge.

There isn't a clear run out here for stripes so your going to have to duck and take your chances. It doesn't look good for stripes.

How about pushing the 11 onto the 7 which seems a bit easier? I mean, he can still break out that ball with the 6 near the pocket but it will complicate things a bit for the bank on the 8, no?

 

[Russ Chewning]

I'm curious -

Just to change things around. I mean, it's pretty obvious solids has a HUGE advantage here. What would you do to start turning the tide if you were stripes?

Soft two-rail kick at the 12, of course, making sure not to let the CB come out.

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Oh yeah......THERE'S the C player in me coming out!

And by the way.. Whoever is stretching the borders out, can you please edit your post? (Was it the pic that Jude posted for whitey?)

Russ

 

[Onepocket73]

How about pushing the 11 onto the 7 which seems a bit easier? I mean, he can still break out that ball with the 6 near the pocket but it will complicate things a bit for the bank on the 8, no?

Exactly what I was thinking.Push the 11 onto the 7.Simple and effective.You don't have to get out from there.You will obviously try breaking the 7 out with the 6,but don't have to come up with a shot.

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

And by the way.. Whoever is stretching the borders out, can you please edit your post? (Was it the pic that Jude posted for whitey?)

Russ

I think I fixed it.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

I think this is one of those that comes under the "kissing your great aunt" category. Bank the 8-ball. You may not want to. You're not looking forward to it. But it in the end, you have to.

Fred

Yep. You could reliably break it out off the 7, but then you gotta just get lucky to have a shot at it. That risk is much greater than the risk of missing the tight-angle big-pocket bank (that reminds me of a girl I used to date).

pj
chgo

 

[Russ Chewning]

I think I fixed it.

SWEET! Much better, man.. Thanks!

Russ

 

[olauzon]

as for him 'giving' you the table, he could've softly bumped 11 infront of the 7 and left CB behind 6 looking at 5.

sorry, have no time to plot a table.

 

[supergreenman]

How about pushing the 11 onto the 7 which seems a bit easier? I mean, he can still break out that ball with the 6 near the pocket but it will complicate things a bit for the bank on the 8, no?

That's exactly why I chose the 6 ball to move to the rail, the chances of him breaking it out with the 7 are slim to none, he has a bit better chance to break it out after a shot on the 5 but only after he's shot the 7 first leaving it for last and uncertian results. tying up the 7 with the 11 is a good option as well I picked teh 6 because it moves it away from the side pocket.

 

[Onepocket73]

Moving the 6 first????

That's exactly why I chose the 6 ball to move to the rail, the chances of him breaking it out with the 7 are slim to none, he has a bit better chance to break it out after a shot on the 5 but only after he's shot the 7 first leaving it for last and uncertian results. tying up the 7 with the 11 is a good option as well I picked teh 6 because it moves it away from the side pocket.

How exactly do you plan to execute that move first?To get the 6 to a rail from the diagrammed position is very difficult to do with out scratching in the side.To avoid the scratch,you have to stroke it a little which means you will lose control of the exact placement of the 6.Am I missing something?Unless,of course,you mean to give up ball in hand,risking him breaking it out successfully?I might see that then.....

 

[hang-the-9]

Yeah, he completely didn't see me banking it. I mean, to his credit, I'm sorta feeding you guys here. I say, "Hey, I got out from here. Look at the diagram and see how" and you automatically hunt for the out. When you're in the middle of a game, you look at things differently. You see the tied up 8-ball and figure you're getting another turn at the table. He's also focusing on stripes and not considering how to run with solids. He sees a problems and dismisses my chances.

Something to consider, had the 7-ball not been there, this becomes a much tougher table to run.

Why do you see an issue if no 7? From what I can see you can fall just as easy for a bank on the 8 from the 6. Or do you mean if the 7 were elsewhere?

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

Why do you see an issue if no 7? From what I can see you can fall just as easy for a bank on the 8 from the 6. Or do you mean if the 7 were elsewhere?

The 7 is why the bank is so on. I mean, if you have to play position for that bank, it gets tough but when you have teh 7 giving you perfect shape, the bank is a hanger.

 

[supergreenman]

How exactly do you plan to execute that move first?To get the 6 to a rail from the diagrammed position is very difficult to do with out scratching in the side.To avoid the scratch,you have to stroke it a little which means you will lose control of the exact placement of the 6.Am I missing something?Unless,of course,you mean to give up ball in hand,risking him breaking it out successfully?I might see that then.....

I didn't say it was easy, just what I'd do.

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[Cornerman]

I didn't say it was easy, just what I'd do.

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While we're at it, you must as well fire it off the 6-ball into the side pocket. Assume the frozen pair throws in one of the pockets. Bank the two tough balls. Tra la la, fiddle dee dee.

Fred <~~~ reminds me of the George Fels monthly column "Wing Shots"

 

[Onepocket73]

I didn't say it was easy, just what I'd do.

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I don't want to sound condescending,but I am sorry,what you are diagramming here is impossible to say the least.In order to cut that ball into the 6 and then get the 6 to the diagrammed position,your cue ball will be traveling WAY faster than you are indicating.I think you should rethink your shot selection.Set the balls up exactly like the diagram shows and try your shot.I guarantee that you will agree with me in the end

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

I don't want to sound condescending,but I am sorry,what you are diagramming here is impossible to say the least.In order to cut that ball into the 6 and then get the 6 to the diagrammed position,your cue ball will be traveling WAY faster than you are indicating.I think you should rethink your shot selection.Set the balls up exactly like the diagram shows and try your shot.I guarantee that you will agree with me in the end

Oh, I like that.

 

[supergreenman]

I don't want to sound condescending,but I am sorry,what you are diagramming here is impossible to say the least.In order to cut that ball into the 6 and then get the 6 to the diagrammed position,your cue ball will be traveling WAY faster than you are indicating.I think you should rethink your shot selection.Set the balls up exactly like the diagram shows and try your shot.I guarantee that you will agree with me in the end

Actually I never indicated an end point for the CB just a direction. The goal here is to tie up the 6 not land the CB in any specific spot. It's fine with me if the CB travels farther than the end of that line WITH AND ARROW on it as you may get a nice little bust out on the 12 and 13.

Oh and as for your guarantee of my agreement, I'm probably one of the least agreeable people you'll ever meet.

 

[hang-the-9]

The 7 is why the bank is so on. I mean, if you have to play position for that bank, it gets tough but when you have teh 7 giving you perfect shape, the bank is a hanger.

The 6 will get you to the bank just as well, just get to the headstring area off the 5. Even that has a margin of several inches. You can bank the 8 from a pretty big area, even bellow it. That would depend on how the player feels about banking as well, some people dont know, or don't like to bank from certain angles.