Jay, you didn't address if (the cue ball hits the plastic rack hanging over the rail) it is a foul?
Inquiring minds want to know.
P.S. if it did alter the path of the ball would it be the same call?
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Another controversy with Mike Dechaine. This is beyond imagination...
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Jay, you didn't address if (the cue ball hits the plastic rack hanging over the rail) it is a foul?
Inquiring minds want to know.
P.S. if it did alter the path of the ball would it be the same call?
Well said sjm. Alters my initial take of the situation.
I was just starting to like Dechaine, seems like he had matured some.
As had been said, this is a Boyes move though. The template rack would not effect the movement of the balls and the sportsmanlike thing to do would be to ignore it, and or simply ask that the rack be moved.
As had been said, this is a Boyes move though. The template rack would not effect the movement of the balls and the sportsmanlike thing to do would be to ignore it, and or simply ask that the rack be moved.
Hopefully there was no book on this match... :barf:
There are no trusted witnesses in pool!
Two questions:
1. Is it even a foul? Isn't the magic rack commonly left on the table until balls are cleared away from it and the cue ball frequently "touches" the rack? Isn't that the whole idea behind the magic rack - balls can "touch" it without causing a problem?
2. Who racked and put the template on the rail?
1. Is it even a foul? Isn't the magic rack commonly left on the table until balls are cleared away from it and the cue ball frequently "touches" the rack? Isn't that the whole idea behind the magic rack - balls can "touch" it without causing a problem?
2. Who racked and put the template on the rail?
Rules are rules! If you can't or won't follow the rules that you established and agreed to, then there are no need for rules.
The same thing could be said about not calling a ball that is sitting directly in the pocket during call-pocket games or shots.
Calling a player on it is trivial and BS in most people's minds, but the minute you don't enforce them you open the can of worms for other infractions and offenses.
Who was the dumbass who took the rack off the table and placed it on the rail? The way I play, the person who has the shot DIRECTLY AFTER the break should be the one to remove the rack from the table and place it somewhere off the table. It should be standard practice to REMOVE the rack before shooting after the break.
sjm is as close as you'll ever get.
This statement right here ^^^^
To me Mike is the only person here who is right. If it was an issue of "did it hit or not" then Mike had all right to question, if it was indeed a hit and known as a foul and Grabe saw it then he should of been ok with the call, the Ref should not of asked the crowd. "did the ball hit the rack guys? it's a foul Grabe as stated in the rule book ball in hand to Mike"
See I think the issue here is moral, whats a foul and and what isn't just like when Shane didn't call that ball overseas
That's a good point: The magic rack (actually outsville rack?) is an exception to the normal rule about other objects being touched. No way this should have been called a foul, even if it did happen, IMO.
Sitting over the rail and lying flat on the table are two completely different scenarios.
I would think the rack is to be removed immediately following the break, unless doing so would disturb the lay of the balls. I would also think that once the rack is removed from the playing surface, it is no longer considered a part of the playing surface.
I don't believe your second question should factor into a ruling.
I agree with this 1000%
This is the problem here, deciding what one should and should do based on the level of some lame moral call. If you were playing for 100,000 hill-hill with Ko or Darren or whoever and it was the 6,7,8,9 on the table wide open would you of called it?
Or are you the guy who give everyone a pass "ah just shot, you only touched the ball it didn't move" then talk about how you gave the guy a pass and probably would of won.
If it's a foul then it's a foul, you call it, no hard feelings.
I can't think of another object that the balls are allowed to touch on the table but not when it's on the rail.
The template seems to violate the letter of this rule:
So were "violating" or amending that rule for the template. If you allow it to touch the rack while it's on the table, I think you should be pretty lenient about it touching when it's on the rail.
Drama headlines
I don't like drama headlines that just suck you into reading lesser or phony issues.
After reading SJM's fine post, I see that Dechaine was not anywhere near the ogre that the headline seems to imply; according to SJM, the other guy was the jerk in this case......I guess OP is a Dechaine hater.........
I don't like drama headlines that just suck you into reading lesser or phony issues.
After reading SJM's fine post, I see that Dechaine was not anywhere near the ogre that the headline seems to imply; according to SJM, the other guy was the jerk in this case......I guess OP is a Dechaine hater.........
Plenty of those here on AZB