Another Deano Cue review

[manwon]

what does it take to get you guys happy?everyone who bought the cue is happy,they are the only ones who could provide testimony in a court of law,then along comes manoth and says your honor it just can't be because i don't think it could be. Lets face fact you wanted your fellow az people to respond,they did in large numbers.
you were afraid it wasn't an honest offer yet the customers are happy.

I have never said a prototype would sell for $1500,that will be our introductory level custom cue.

I may be wrong but you guys are acting like you think you are smarter than all of these people who bought the cues,tried them out,and liked them.

I am inviting the critics to admit the fact that their fears were unfounded,I don't ask them to say the cue plays good without trying it,but how can they deny it without hitting it.

The fact is,the cues are not available now,we have done what no other cue maker has ever done,we have submitted our cue at a reasonable price to be tested.We put our money where our mouth is.In my day this was considered an honorable way to do things.

Hello Dean, this is manoth this is the only post I have been involved in concerning your cues. Hit is very subjective, and I would certainly agree that many who have received your prototype cues are happy with their purchase. I truly have no problem with you or your product so please let me say I am sorry if it appeared that way.

However, I think you are certainly going to have a hard time with your product now that MR. Barton is involved. If you are on to something with the European taper and the wood screw joint get a trade mark quick!!!! Because the next thing you know they will be the latest rage coming out of China!!!!!!

Whoops, I spoke too soon they all ready are!!!!!!!

 

[poolplayer2093]

i'd like to know who made this cue? who'll be making the non plane jane cues? now that he's gotten nothing but good reviews let's get his name out there

still curious as to who the maker of this cue is

 

[pooldogue]

still curious as to who the maker of this cue is

A little birdie told me it is a noname machinist in Texas........

 

[trendkill]

I just want to know why all the hatred towards the cue. Maybe I haven't been here long enough to know...but wow, such hostility.

 

[stikapos]

Of all the cues that I own (last count at 18), the LAST one I'd be selling is my Deano cue. It does wonderfully at bar box league nights. To each his own, but the cue works for me. And no, I don't own cheap cues, just quality sticks mostly from the 80's.
tim

EGO and not wanting a little bit of "we told you so" thrown their way.

Anyone wanting to sell their Deano, please PM me.

 

[JB Cases]

John stick to import cases, your limited knowledge of cue construction and the techniques used that will or will not enhance hit is obvious, and laughable!!!

I suppose it is. How can you say what will or will not enhance something that you say is subjective?

And how long have you been making cues? I bet I have worked on more cues than you have.

That's right Craig. I did cue work before I got into cases. Still though I am not even close to being a cuemaker.

I have however certainly been in more cue maker's shops than you have. I have discussed cues with more makers than you have.

I am fairly sure that I have shot with, owned, traded, sold, and handled well more brands of cues than you have.

So yes, my knowledge of cues is very limited. As a player with 25 years of play under my belt I just know what I like and what hit means to me. As a dealer of cues with gong on 20 years of experience I know that "hit" is in fact quite subjective among the various strata of skill levels. I also know that among serious players the consensus of what "hit's good" tends to be not all that broad.

So why don't you tell us what makes a good cue? I am always willing to learn.

I have been asking for a list of what makes a good cue for years. Since you claim to be so knowledgeable you should be able to provide one. Give it to us so that we all can understand it.

 

[JB Cases]

No John I do not work on Chinese import cues, they end up costing more in repairs than they cost to make . So please have people send your Chinese Hustler Cues to some one else. Hey I got it, send them to MR. Varney he may work on them, I am uncertain for sure though.

Have a nice night John

really? So you can't tweak any cue to hit like a southwest?

You must charge a lot to repair cues or be really slow then. Most of the repairmen I know can change a ferrule and tip in about ten minutes tops. They can retaper a shaft in anywhere from an hour to a few days depending on the taper.

Anyway I am looking forward to your definitive guide to what makes a good cue and what constitutes value in cues.

After reading your book I am sure that no one will be "sucker" for anything like Deano's cues again.

Can I buy the first copy? I will pay pal you the money right now.

How much for this information?

I know, you could call it Craig's List!

 

[JB Cases]

Hello Dean, this is manoth this is the only post I have been involved in concerning your cues. Hit is very subjective, and I would certainly agree that many who have received your prototype cues are happy with their purchase. I truly have no problem with you or your product so please let me say I am sorry if it appeared that way.

No, you just characterize the seller as a scam artist and his customers as suckers.

I think your balancing act on your moral pedestal is about to land you on your ass.

Nice backpedal. Next time try saying you are sorry without the excuses.

Here I will help you,

'Dean, I am sorry that I badmouthed your cues and your customers. Perhaps someday I will get a chance to see and hit with one of your cues and can then speak of them from experience after that.'

Try that Craig, I think you find it to be more sincere.

 

[manwon]

I suppose it is. How can you say what will or will not enhance something that you say is subjective?

And how long have you been making cues? I bet I have worked on more cues than you have.

That's right Craig. I did cue work before I got into cases. Still though I am not even close to being a cuemaker.

I have however certainly been in more cue maker's shops than you have. I have discussed cues with more makers than you have.

I am fairly sure that I have shot with, owned, traded, sold, and handled well more brands of cues than you have.

So yes, my knowledge of cues is very limited. As a player with 25 years of play under my belt I just know what I like and what hit means to me. As a dealer of cues with gong on 20 years of experience I know that "hit" is in fact quite subjective among the various strata of skill levels. I also know that among serious players the consensus of what "hit's good" tends to be not all that broad.

So why don't you tell us what makes a good cue? I am always willing to learn.

I have been asking for a list of what makes a good cue for years. Since you claim to be so knowledgeable you should be able to provide one. Give it to us so that we all can understand it.

John, first let me say I am sorry, but it appears that I have struck a nerve.

John Said:
And how long have you been making cues? I bet I have worked on more cues than you have.

I have been doing limited repair work on cues since the 1970. Now while I was on active duty in the US army from 1979 until 2003 the work I did could not be considered building cues, but more the repair of existing models. I have always been fascinated with the construction techniques used by master craftsman of the past. Whenever some one would get angry and break a cue, I would take it and completely disassemble it to better understand how it was built. I have also studied the properties of wood since that time frame, along with the other materials that are used in cue construction. Now your statement that you have worked on more cues, I totally disagree with, however this is not contest and who really cares anyway. But I would like to see some of your work, that has been completely by you alone.

John Said:
I have however certainly been in more cue maker's shops than you have. I have discussed cues with more makers than you have.

John this has nothing to do with ones ability or ones perception!! Please post some photo's of what this has done to enhance your abilities, again please post some photo's of your personal work completed by your hands alone!!!

John said:
I am fairly sure that I have shot with, owned, traded, sold, and handled well more brands of cues than you have.

John this is also laughable, you have no knowledge of me on any level so to make a statement like this is just pissing in the wind, sometimes it lands on leg and sometimes it lands on your shoes, but without facts this is only an opinion.

John said:
So yes, my knowledge of cues is very limited. As a player with 25 years of play under my belt I just know what I like and what hit means to me. As a dealer of cues with gong on 20 years of experience I know that "hit" is in fact quite subjective among the various strata of skill levels. I also know that among serious players the consensus of what "hit's good" tends to be not all that broad.

I would hope that with all that time invested you have learned something, but your underestimation of the ability of others based solely upon opinion will make your ability and your views very narrow which in effect is also very limited!!!!!!!

John said:
I have been asking for a list of what makes a good cue for years. Since you claim to be so knowledgeable you should be able to provide one. Give it to us so that we all can understand it.

John will all your experience know one should have to give you this information, you have been to more cue makers shops, you have handled more cues, you have been involved in this business for more than 25 years. John to ask the question above it would appear that you either have no confidence in your abilities, or you have not learned very much in all that time. I think you should think about your words, self reflection may help you achieve the answers you desire.

Have a good day John.

 

[manwon]

really? So you can't tweak any cue to hit like a southwest?

You must charge a lot to repair cues or be really slow then. Most of the repairmen I know can change a ferrule and tip in about ten minutes tops. They can retaper a shaft in anywhere from an hour to a few days depending on the taper.

Anyway I am looking forward to your definitive guide to what makes a good cue and what constitutes value in cues.

After reading your book I am sure that no one will be "sucker" for anything like Deano's cues again.

Can I buy the first copy? I will pay pal you the money right now.

How much for this information?

I know, you could call it Craig's List!

John said:
You must charge a lot to repair cues or be really slow then. Most of the repairmen I know can change a ferrule and tip in about ten minutes tops. They can re taper a shaft in anywhere from an hour to a few days depending on the taper.

John, your statements only continue to show your lack of knowledge on this subject. John speed = lack of quality with cue repair, why rush and change a ferrule in 10 min when the epoxy takes 24 hr's to properly set. Oh I see John, the individuals you are speaking about must use Super glue don't they, now that is quality work!!!!! John, please enlighten us how you would re-taper a shaft?

John Said:
Anyway I am looking forward to your definitive guide to what makes a good cue and what constitutes value in cues.

After reading your book I am sure that no one will be "sucker" for anything like Deano's cues again.

Can I buy the first copy? I will pay pal you the money right now.

How much for this information?

I know, you could call it Craig's List![/QUOTE]

John please I must have really struck a nerve, you appear to be really upset. My advise you John would be take a few deep breaths, hold them in and place your head between your knees, if you do this two or three times a day you will be a new man.

Oh and by the way, this is an Ancient Chinese Secret so don't let everyone know about it!!!

 

[poolplayer2093]

John said:
You must charge a lot to repair cues or be really slow then. Most of the repairmen I know can change a ferrule and tip in about ten minutes tops. They can re taper a shaft in anywhere from an hour to a few days depending on the taper.

John, your statements only continue to show your lack of knowledge on this subject. John speed = lack of quality with cue repair, why rush and change a ferrule in 10 min when the epoxy takes 24 hr's to properly set. Oh I see John, the individuals you are speaking about must use Super glue don't they, now that is quality work!!!!! John, please enlighten us how you would re-taper a shaft?

John Said:
Anyway I am looking forward to your definitive guide to what makes a good cue and what constitutes value in cues.

After reading your book I am sure that no one will be "sucker" for anything like Deano's cues again.

Can I buy the first copy? I will pay pal you the money right now.

How much for this information?

I know, you could call it Craig's List!

John please I must have really struck a nerve, you appear to be really upset. My advise you John would be take a few deep breaths, hold them in and place your head between your knees, if you do this two or three times a day you will be a new man.

Oh and by the way, this is an Ancient Chinese Secret so don't let everyone know about it!!![/QUOTE]



OOOOOhhh it's getting tense in here!!

 

[manwon]

No, you just characterize the seller as a scam artist and his customers as suckers.

I think your balancing act on your moral pedestal is about to land you on your ass.

Nice backpedal. Next time try saying you are sorry without the excuses.

Here I will help you,

'Dean, I am sorry that I badmouthed your cues and your customers. Perhaps someday I will get a chance to see and hit with one of your cues and can then speak of them from experience after that.'

Try that Craig, I think you find it to be more sincere.

John said:
No, you just characterize the seller as a scam artist and his customers as suckers.

First of all John please do not place words in my mouth, if these are the feelings you have repressed place your name behind them. That was never my intent, and hell I do not even view you as scam artist.

John said:
I think your balancing act on your moral pedestal is about to land you on your ass.

Nice backpedal. Next time try saying you are sorry without the excuses.

John unlike you I do not need a moral pedestal, and as far as landing on my ass, that is not the issue here. I do not and have not backpedal as yet, and I not feel the need to say that I am sorry, especially to you. Now I am uncertain of your involvement in all of this. However, I think Dean can speak for himself like he has in the past. I would seriously doubt that he needs you to defend his honor.

John said:
'Dean, I am sorry that I badmouthed your cues and your customers. Perhaps someday I will get a chance to see and hit with one of your cues and can then speak of them from experience after that.'Try that Craig, I think you find it to be more sincere.[/


John, I currently have one of Deans cues in route to me, after I receive it I will give a detailed description of the cues construction, with photo's, and the opinions of the best players in my local area concerning the cues hit and ballance. This will be unbiased and truthful, so I should be able to complete testing by the end of the month. This I have arranged this just for you John, to show you that I am fair!!!!!!!

Have a good day John!!!!!

 

[ericdraven]

I just want to know why all the hatred towards the cue. Maybe I haven't been here long enough to know...but wow, such hostility.

the reason for hatred is closed minded folks here ,and there are alot of small time cue makers here who do badmouth trying to stir the pot .but unfortunately it backfires because the smart and honest folks here read the crap they post and say hmmm " that cumaker is badmouthing someones cue and has never played with one " and then the customer says " im not gonna deal with somone who acts like an ass " then the guy loses business because of badmouthing when unwarranted. and most of the bad mouthing if you notice is from SMALL CUEMAKERS AND CUE SHOP OWNERS that is the hint .

 

[manwon]

the reason for hatred is closed minded folks here ,and there are alot of small time cue makers here who do badmouth trying to stir the pot .but unfortunately it backfires because the smart and honest folks here read the crap they post and say hmmm " that cumaker is badmouthing someones cue and has never played with one " and then the customer says " im not gonna deal with somone who acts like an ass " then the guy loses business because of badmouthing when unwarranted. and most of the bad mouthing if you notice is from SMALL CUEMAKERS AND CUE SHOP OWNERS that is the hint .

SMALL CUEMAKERS AND CUE SHOP OWNERS that is the hint .[/QUOTE]

I totally agree, whoever you are( are suppose to be the joker ), but I for one do not offer any services to anyone here. I personally use this forum to learn, it is truly amazing what knowledge you can obtain when the make-up is removed and no other ulterior motivation is present!!!

For those who have never done this try it you will like it!!!!!!!

 

[cubswin]

" then the guy loses business because of badmouthing when unwarranted. and most of the bad mouthing if you notice is from SMALL CUEMAKERS AND CUE SHOP OWNERS that is the hint .

you mean small like the guy who is building dean's cues? After all Dean has said that the maker of these cues is a part time maker, which implies he is a small time maker as well. Hard to build a lot of cues if you do it as a hobby/side job isn't it?

Not many, if any, have said the cue is good or bad. The problem people had was in the outlandish marketing of the cue. A point you fail to grasp for some reason.

 

[Tank138]

So why don't you tell us what makes a good cue? I am always willing to learn.

I have been asking for a list of what makes a good cue for years.

John,
Maybe you should take this course

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=310019870748&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=021

 

[Fast Lenny]

John,
Maybe you should take this course

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=310019870748&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=021

This looks pretty cool actually.

 

[JB Cases]

John,
Maybe you should take this course

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=310019870748&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=021

No need. I know what makes a good cue inside and out.

The problem I have is with people who characterize a cue as bad without giving a reason.

If a person must criticize then they do so from the voice of experience in my opinion.

 

[manwon]

This looks pretty cool actually.

I especally like the pictured Blanks, looks like whoever this is may either be a member of this forum or have bought a number of Blanks from Duc Lam.

I must agree this would certainly help most anyone, but I do not think it would help John too much, hell he has 25 years experience!!!!!

 

[JB Cases]

John said:
You must charge a lot to repair cues or be really slow then. Most of the repairmen I know can change a ferrule and tip in about ten minutes tops. They can re taper a shaft in anywhere from an hour to a few days depending on the taper.

John, your statements only continue to show your lack of knowledge on this subject. John speed = lack of quality with cue repair, why rush and change a ferrule in 10 min when the epoxy takes 24 hr's to properly set. Oh I see John, the individuals you are speaking about must use Super glue don't they, now that is quality work!!!!! John, please enlighten us how you would re-taper a shaft?

You're right. You know so much more than Ted Harris, Guido Orlandi, Leonard Bludworth, and Joe Blackburn to name just a very few of the great cue repairmen I know. These guys do hundreds of repairs a day at the big shows and the players are able to go and play with the cues right away.

How could I have doubted you Craig?

To re-taper a shaft I would do nothing less than to send it to you with a note indicating which famous cuemaker it should hit like. Then you would do your magic and viola I would have that cue. After seeing all of your experience making cues in print I will never let another person work on any cue I own. Whatever you charge is not enough, I will pay double.

John Said:
Anyway I am looking forward to your definitive guide to what makes a good cue and what constitutes value in cues.

After reading your book I am sure that no one will be "sucker" for anything like Deano's cues again.

Can I buy the first copy? I will pay pal you the money right now.

How much for this information?

I know, you could call it Craig's List!

John please I must have really struck a nerve, you appear to be really upset. My advise you John would be take a few deep breaths, hold them in and place your head between your knees, if you do this two or three times a day you will be a new man.

Oh and by the way, this is an Ancient Chinese Secret so don't let everyone know about it!!!

Yes, you did strike a nerve. Can you tell by the reflexive slap you are getting?

And I have some advice for you in return, try thinking before you post. Watch Oprah, learn some sensitivity. You may not end up being a "new" man but you will certainly be more tolerable.