Another Deano Cue review

[JB Cases]

I especally like the pictured Blanks, looks like whoever this is may either be a member of this forum or have bought a number of Blanks from Duc Lam.

I must agree this would certainly help most anyone, but I do not think it would help John too much, hell he has 25 years experience!!!!!

Nah, probably not. I think my personal experience goes quite a bit deeper than what is covered in that course as described.

That's right Craig, and in those 25 years I have learned that there are more ways to make cues than you can imagine.

Perhaps someday you will understand the true magic of cuemaking and cues.

When you do you will learn to appreciate life more.

 

[runscott]

I suppose it is. How can you say what will or will not enhance something that you say is subjective?

And how long have you been making cues? I bet I have worked on more cues than you have.

That's right Craig. I did cue work before I got into cases. Still though I am not even close to being a cuemaker.

I have however certainly been in more cue maker's shops than you have. I have discussed cues with more makers than you have.

I am fairly sure that I have shot with, owned, traded, sold, and handled well more brands of cues than you have.

So yes, my knowledge of cues is very limited. As a player with 25 years of play under my belt I just know what I like and what hit means to me. As a dealer of cues with gong on 20 years of experience I know that "hit" is in fact quite subjective among the various strata of skill levels. I also know that among serious players the consensus of what "hit's good" tends to be not all that broad.

So why don't you tell us what makes a good cue? I am always willing to learn.

I have been asking for a list of what makes a good cue for years. Since you claim to be so knowledgeable you should be able to provide one. Give it to us so that we all can understand it.

Wow, I wondered how long it would take J.B. (the expert on everything billiard-related) to jump into this thread, feet first, both inserted squarely in mouth.

A lot of people on this board know Craig and a lot of us have been to his shop, seen his work, listened to his thoughts on cue-making. There is a HUGE diffence between Craig and yourself - it's called 'ego'. You seem to feel that all the years you have put in have earned you the right to be respected by people around here, yet you continue to flaunt that ego and drive people away. This I am certain of: people who spend less time talking about themsleves and their hugeness, and more time paying attention, will learn more in less time. So naturally I make some assumptions about how much you REALLY know. In addition. the discussions about cue cases showed me a lot about you, and very little of it was positive.

To be quite frank, based on your little Chinese case adventure, and your period of trying to cram your Chinese full-splice cue ideas down our uninterested throats, when I saw the Deano stuff, I immediately thought of you, and figured you had a horse in this race. Now I'm really thinking it.

Finally, Craig makes some good points about you putting words in his mouth. John, you are the ultimate 'spin doctor'.

 

[JB Cases]

John, I currently have one of Deans cues in route to me, after I receive it I will give a detailed description of the cues construction, with photo's, and the opinions of the best players in my local area concerning the cues hit and ballance. This will be unbiased and truthful, so I should be able to complete testing by the end of the month. This I have arranged this just for you John, to show you that I am fair!!!!!!!

Have a good day John!!!!!

Progress! Finally. That's all we wanted. Just get the cue and judge it objectively before you call the buyers suckers and the seller a scammer.

Way to go Craig I am so proud of you I can't stand it.

 

[runscott]

Progress! Finally. That's all we wanted. Just get the cue and judge it objectively before you call the buyers suckers and the seller a scammer.

Way to go Craig I am so proud of you I can't stand it.

John, do you have a mouse in your pocket?

Craig, if you turn red with glee at the fact that John is proud of you, I will drive down to Tacoma immediately and slap you silly.

 

[DrJ]

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[manwon]

Nah, probably not. I think my personal experience goes quite a bit deeper than what is covered in that course as described.

That's right Craig, and in those 25 years I have learned that there are more ways to make cues than you can imagine.

Perhaps someday you will understand the true magic of cuemaking and cues.

When you do you will learn to appreciate life more.

John, just let Dean speak for himself, because frankly it would appear that you two are working together. John, you are doing much more harm to Dean than anything I said, I mean you have been the only one throughout this thread who has become nasty.

Oh and by the way, I think you may be showing your Butt now

One last thing, when I review the cue should I address it to you or Dean all you posts are confusing me!!!!!

Have a nice night John

 

[manwon]

Progress! Finally. That's all we wanted. Just get the cue and judge it objectively before you call the buyers suckers and the seller a scammer.

Way to go Craig I am so proud of you I can't stand it.

Thanks John, if I played Golf your words would make my Putter stand on end!!!!!!

But please stop trying to put words in my mouth, you are doing a good enough job speaking for Dean, and I would bet he wishes he had never been involved!!!!!!!!

 

[JB Cases]

Wow, I wondered how long it would take J.B. (the expert on everything billiard-related) to jump into this thread, feet first, both inserted squarely in mouth.

A lot of people on this board know Craig and a lot of us have been to his shop, seen his work, listened to his thoughts on cue-making. There is a HUGE diffence between Craig and yourself - it's called 'ego'. You seem to feel that all the years you have put in have earned you the right to be respected by people around here, yet you continue to flaunt that ego and drive people away. This I am certain of: people who spend less time talking about themsleves and their hugeness, and more time paying attention, will learn more in less time. So naturally I make some assumptions about how much you REALLY know. In addition. the discussions about cue cases showed me a lot about you, and very little of it was positive.

To be quite frank, based on your little Chinese case adventure, and your period of trying to cram your Chinese full-splice cue ideas down our uninterested throats, when I saw the Deano stuff, I immediately thought of you, and figured you had a horse in this race. Now I'm really thinking it.

Finally, Craig makes some good points about you putting words in his mouth. John, you are the ultimate 'spin doctor'.

I have no involvement at all in Dean's cue business.

You can assume all day, it's all you have ever done concerning me.

How do you read it when Craig uses the phrase "a sucker born every minute" when speaking of the Deano cue and it's price? How about for once you try and look at something objectively.

Here is the thing you can't stand. The "Chinese" do make full splice cues and they make them well. That burns your ass more than anything to know that some people in China could figure out how to splice wood together and end up with good cues. How dare they.

You can't stand it when I tell you that. Whenever ANYONE says that a Chinese made cue hits good or is good then you cringe.

Yes, you are "uninterested" because you would love to have the right to criticize and denigrate unopposed. All bigots love to have a pulpit. You don't get that with me.

I don't have any "hugeness". I merely pointed out my experience so that Craig could see from where I speak.

I will concede that I shouldn't have brought Craig's experience or lack thereof into the discussion.

The main thing that pissed me off was his characterization of Dean's customers as suckers and he did do that.

Are you a sucker for buying Titlists? What makes a Titlist worth more than the sum of parts or it's original retail price? There is your answer.

 

[manwon]

I have no involvement at all in Dean's cue business.

You can assume all day, it's all you have ever done concerning me.

How do you read it when Craig uses the phrase "a sucker born every minute" when speaking of the Deano cue and it's price? How about for once you try and look at something objectively.

Here is the thing you can't stand. The "Chinese" do make full splice cues and they make them well. That burns your ass more than anything to know that some people in China could figure out how to splice wood together and end up with good cues. How dare they.

You can't stand it when I tell you that. Whenever ANYONE says that a Chinese made cue hits good or is good then you cringe.

Yes, you are "uninterested" because you would love to have the right to criticize and denigrate unopposed. All bigots love to have a pulpit. You don't get that with me.

I don't have any "hugeness". I merely pointed out my experience so that Craig could see from where I speak.

I will concede that I shouldn't have brought Craig's experience or lack thereof into the discussion.

The main thing that pissed me off was his characterization of Dean's customers as suckers and he did do that.

Are you a sucker for buying Titlists? What makes a Titlist worth more than the sum of parts or it's original retail price? There is your answer.

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Looks like someone else must have struck a nerve!!! AZ must be having a dental convention.

 

[Fast Lenny]

I have a big bowl of ice cream so keep it coming guys!

 

[Poolhawk]

I Know...i Need Sensitivity Training..

These Discussions Need To Be Moved To The Main Forum Or Something.i Think Certain People Like To Argue In This Section To Keep There Product Visible Even When They Are Selling Nothing.if You Have A Cue Made By Some Mexican Or Something From Texas Or A Case Made By Some 10 Year Old Chineese Kid Then Post Photos Please But If Not Move It To Another Spot,this Is The Wanted /forsale Forum

 

[JB Cases]

In your own words.

Craig said:

You just said a mouth full in the above statement. You have hit with many cues in many different price ranges and this cue is the best cue you have ever hit with. Now, I am glad you have found the right cue for you, and only you can know if it is. But every word in the entire post is subjective, and while it works well for you, says nothing about how it will hit for anyone else. To me and this is also subjective and an opinion, I would never spend even $200 for a plain Jane Sneaky Pete cue, no matter who made it. I say this because there is only so much you can do with an after market blank, the more work the higher the price, and these cues are as bare bones as they can be.

Now with that said, if these cues increase in price, and continue to be bare bones they had better come with a reach around. Now this is not a knock to the cue maker, or the cue but, I think W.C. Fields said it best there is certainly a sucker born every minute of every day.

Good luck with your cue, I hope it improves your game!!!!!
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Everyone has experienced fear, but few will face and completely over come it. For those who have succeeded, life has meaning and a flavor others can only dream of and will never attain until their fears are no more !!!!!!
Craig W. Rittel
Full Splice Billiards

I read this whole thing as a knock on the price of the cue and the people who bought it. And to me, the statement by an "experienced" cuemaker that essentially knocks the prices of all cuemakers who charge more than $200 for a sneaky pete is out of line.

How much are full splice blanks? Let's completely forget about people like Murray Tucker and Mark Bear who make their own blanks.

Here are some from $55-$150. http://www.cuecomponents.com/fuspcuebl.html

Here Mark Bear charges $350 for a 'plain jane' full splice cue - certainly plainer than what we have seen so far in the Deano cue pix. http://www.bearcues.com/cue1.htm

Is Mark suckering his customers as well? Do his cues need to come with a, how did you put it Craig, "a reach around"?

Does Murray Tucker sucker his customers when he charges more than $200 for a full splice cue?

There is so much more than can be said here.

If you aren't "knocking" in your above post Craig then please show us where the positive is in it?

 

[SirBanksALot]

Make It Popcorn & A Diet Coke For Me

It really does seem like JB is hyping and being way too zealous in his defense
of the Dean brokered cues.

 

[JB Cases]

These Discussions Need To Be Moved To The Main Forum Or Something.i Think Certain People Like To Argue In This Section To Keep There Product Visible Even When They Are Selling Nothing.if You Have A Cue Made By Some Mexican Or Something From Texas Or A Case Made By Some 10 Year Old Chineese Kid Then Post Photos Please But If Not Move It To Another Spot,this Is The Wanted /forsale Forum

Good point. Perhaps then people shouldn't also knock other people's POSITIVE reviews of product that they DID purchase through this section.

 

[SirBanksALot]

Good point. Perhaps then people shouldn't also knock other people's POSITIVE reviews of product that they DID purchase through this section.

Ha ha ha ha

 

[JB Cases]

It really does seem like JB is hyping and being way too zealous in his defense
of the Dean brokered cues.

No. I am merely DEFENDING a person's right to sell products and people's rights buy products and be unmolested at every turn.

For Craig to come on to a person's thread who was simply posting a POSITIVE experience with the cue he bought and knock that person's description of their experience and then also to characterize the cue as overpriced and the buyer as a sucker is just rude.

That's all.

Yeah, Dean's sales method was in fact over the top but it seems that so far he has delivered as promised. They say it ain't braggin' if you can do it.

So why is it that some of you think it is ok to jump in an slam a person's positive review with innuendo based on zero experience with the actual product in question?

Sir Banks A Lot, Would it have been any different if I had said well I wouldn't pay more than $50 for any piece of leather done up like the case you just bought? You posted a positive review of a nice case that works well for you. It doesn't matter what the cost was to build it, whether it's really good or really bad, it only matters that YOU are happy with it. (Based on the pictures your case does look very nice and well crafted by the way.)

That is no different here when Craig comes in and pisses all over a person's positive experience.

 

[AlexB]

Fast Lenny

Why do you think a man slapping a woman is funny and needs repeated viewing? It makes no difference what the source is or what your intention is, it is pointless and offensive.

 

[Fast Lenny]

I have to say alls i have heard is good things about the cues that Dean has sold.I just wish he would have taken the one he was giving away and sent it out to maybe a half dozen members to play with for a week or 2 and get some feedback that was neutral before giving it away.I personally think at $300 it is a fair price when alot of sneakys are more or around it.

 

[manwon]

I read this whole thing as a knock on the price of the cue and the people who bought it. And to me, the statement by an "experienced" cuemaker that essentially knocks the prices of all cuemakers who charge more than $200 for a sneaky pete is out of line.

How much are full splice blanks? Let's completely forget about people like Murray Tucker and Mark Bear who make their own blanks.

Here are some from $55-$150. http://www.cuecomponents.com/fuspcuebl.html

Here Mark Bear charges $350 for a 'plain jane' full splice cue - certainly plainer than what we have seen so far in the Deano cue pix. http://www.bearcues.com/cue1.htm

Is Mark suckering his customers as well? Do his cues need to come with a, how did you put it Craig, "a reach around"?

Does Murray Tucker sucker his customers when he charges more than $200 for a full splice cue?

There is so much more than can be said here.

If you aren't "knocking" in your above post Craig then please show us where the positive is in it?

John, I am sorry however, you need to relax, I am getting a little concerned about your Blood pressure. John, with all due respect, you are an accomplished Business Man, and you have done very well for yourself and I do mean this sincerely. However, you really need to come back down to Earth, buddy you have lost touch with reality. John, you come across like you know everything about this business, and while I am certain you do have a great deal of knowledge you appear to forget your humble beginnings. John everything you have done today could have been done by anyone else, but you put forth the effort necessary to do what you have done.

My problem with you is only on a personal level, John knows it all, John has all the answers, if John did not think of it well it just can not be. John could be a great asset to this or any Billiard Forum, however your personality is abrasive, negative, and it makes you very unpopular. John in place of knowing everything, and being abrasive be helpful, share your vast knowledge in a pleasant manner. John, I truly wish you well you have some major issues, and the biggest one is that you have forgotten where you came from and what it like to think on a multidimensional level in stead of thought the same narrow minded approach you always take.

Have a nice night John!!!!

 

[Fast Lenny]

Why do you think a man slapping a woman is funny and needs repeated viewing? It makes no difference what the source is or what your intention is, it is pointless and offensive.

Its fixed,not to be offensive but who are you to judge,some people could find your vette offensive or any of the other pinups in peoples avatars of half naked girls,I personally like both,my gifs changed because the source did and im changing them,happy now?