Another Farorate thread

Yeah, the one problem with the break and run stats for APA that in APA 8 ball you have to take what you make making it just a bit more difficult to run out than playing other 8 ball leagues. The slop counting isn’t much of a factor. That sounds like a great league playing on 9 foot diamonds though.
For a small city (population 33k) its a pretty good room. Twelve 9' Diamonds, one 7'er (handy to practice before going to any national tournament, very few places in Maine with 7'ers) They have both 8-ball and 9-ball APA, and the room also hosts 8-ball and 9-ball TAP league, as well. Leagues 4 nights a week, then chip tourneys on Friday and Saturday nights. Plenty of pool available for those who want to play that much.
 
I didn't read all the replies, just a few comments I have:

I'm a 557 and have probably played the 9 ball ghost on a 9' gold crown a couple hundred times. I think I've beaten it 6 or so times in my life, racing to 7.

A 700 Fargo is 1,000,000% NOT a favorite to beat the 9 ball ghost "without" taking ball in hand.

A 100 point difference in Fargo means a 2:1 favorite of winning a single game. NOT a 2:1 favorite of breaking and running a rack. So you can't extrapolate that an 800 player can break and run an 8 pack, a 700 a 4 pack, and a 600 a 2 pack, etc.

If someone can consistently break and run 20% of the time without BIH, they will easily beat the regular 9 ball ghost with BIH, in a few hours of trying.
 
I also watch a lot of pool. I watch all level of players I don’t just watch I’m not a big fan of bank so I haven’t been watching the stream out of Griffs today instead I’m watching two 560 players playing 8 ball I haven’t seen a BnR yet.
 
My handle is Wolfy for a reason Kentucky….. I go by that because of my playing style.

You can see two break and runs Sunday comparing this one to the last picture I sent, when I actually tried. To be fair, I did have four breaks in eight ball and missed two breaking runs on the ball before the eight. Those were both shots to the side and were referenced in part of my LD shaft review thread if you saw it. I’ve only used the shaft twice now. Not trying to make excuses here cause I could’ve probably got better shape on them . Either way that puts me at 18% for the day and right around my avgB&R% that I have stated here. I switched back to a normal shaft for 9 ball. But was really hoping to get at least one in eight and one in nine Sunday to prove my point.
 

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Hold on, did you say you have a 9’ GC at home?

If so, go play 20 racks of 9 ball. Keep score on a piece of paper. Break and see how many times you make a ball and get all the way out. That should go quickly, probably take 30 minutes total. No offense meant, as you’d have to be a pro to get a bunch of racks. Post a picture of the paper. That will answer the question “what is your break and run percentage”.

Also what is your actual Fargo and robustness today? I don’t believe I saw those actual numbers in this thread.
 
The other theme I'm seeing re-reading parts of this thread is the amount of change you expect to your fargo. Are you saying your rating is 100 or more points off? That's not really possible with several hundred games. With 50 games total yes it's possible. Not with 400, unless you were drunk as a skunk for all 400 games. Once people have 200 or so games, the rating might move 15-20 more points. Once 400 games, it might move still 10 points. I think that's about it. After that it might move a few points up and down occasionally.

Probably your fargo is right and its just not as high as you thought.

That happened to me, I got 200 robustness a few months ago and my rating was 546. I was actually quite disappointed as I thought I'd be 565 based on my friends who were established. I did climb a bit to 558 at 400 games, which is where I'm at now.
 
The other theme I'm seeing re-reading parts of this thread is the amount of change you expect to your fargo. Are you saying your rating is 100 or more points off? That's not really possible with several hundred games. With 50 games total yes it's possible. Not with 400, unless you were drunk as a skunk for all 400 games. Once people have 200 or so games, the rating might move 15-20 more points. Once 400 games, it might move still 10 points. I think that's about it. After that it might move a few points up and down occasionally.

Probably your fargo is right and its just not as high as you thought.

That happened to me, I got 200 robustness a few months ago and my rating was 546. I was actually quite disappointed as I thought I'd be 565 based on my friends who were established. I did climb a bit to 558 at 400 games, which is where I'm at now.
I’ve said it before man. My fargorate around 480 with 450 games. 150 of those Salotto. Other 300 digital pool tournaments. The only people I ever gamble with are typically 550 pluses. Playing almost Anybody up to about a 620 with a lot of robustness I almost always split sets with. Anybody under 550 usually wants a spot to play me.

On top of that, all the tournaments I play are alternating break. I hate alternating break. Im more set up as a B&R player. I get 2 packs consistently in practice(yes making a ball on each break) and after running 1 rack the other guy gets to break in an alternating format. I’ve said this before. Alternating break is a disadvantage for any player that can string multiple racks because of that one point I just made. Especially if their opponent can’t string racks as well. It slows me down a lot of times because there are usually shots between me breaking again, and I’m not super consistent when having to slow down. I like to play fast especially when playing my best. That’s all.

When I’m gambling-winner breaks. I can’t remember a time I’ve agreed to alternating breaks in action.

So here’s another example and maybe it’d be easier to wrap your head around it. I talked to the guy I played against in 9 ball regionals two weeks ago and even though he won I was poking fun at him that I almost beat him after he was up 45-15.

Well he chimed in that wasn’t correct. It was 45-10.He missed. I ran the rest of the rack. (I must’ve started counting after making last 4 that rack) Then broke the 9. Then put up a full 2 pack after. When I was done shooting I had 47 points. I made 37 points in the one time at the table. Since I had pocketed 4 9 balls in the process, I had made 33 balls straight. How many 480’s you know that can make 33 straight balls in 9 ball? So maybe I am a 480, but that doesn’t make it impossible that I B&R a lot. It just means I have a good offense and lose a lot. If I would have opened with a break that’s a 3 pack plus 6 balls on way to a 4 pack. I called it a light 3 pack when I referenced it because of the 9 on the break but technically I put up a 3 pack just going by the number of balls made.

How many 3 packs have you put up at 550? Not saying you have to. Maybe we just have different strengths to our game. Everyone does. I typically put up a 2 pack at least once every 2-3 hours of practice with some other B+R’s and an occasional 3 pack. When I am counting them. Most times I don’t go for break and runs in practice. I spend more time playing banks and 8 ball more because it’s more interesting to me.
I usually open with about 5 to 10 racks of eight ball play maybe 5 to 10 racks and nine ball if that because I don’t even like playing 9 ball. My nine ball practice usually turns into Banks on like the third rack when I miss a ball. Then it’s banks after or taking a shot that I’ve been missing a lot over and over to get better at it . And then I might switch back to eight ball after that. But for some reason everybody at the hall think I’m better at nine ball . I don’t get it. I’m actually way better at 8. Those are my numbers. Take it or leave it. That’s what it is.


I plan to put another ghost race up soon. The landscaping season just started and my table is sitting next to a car that I am changing a cylinder head on right now. So I can’t do it at home. But when I get out and can will post it up for you on your thread.

Btw I can’t remember the last time I had a 4 pack though. It’s been a long time on that feat.
 
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My handle is Wolfy for a reason Kentucky….. I go by that because of my playing style.

You can see two break and runs Sunday comparing this one to the last picture I sent, when I actually tried. To be fair, I did have four breaks in eight ball and missed two breaking runs on the ball before the eight. Those were both shots to the side and were referenced in part of my LD shaft review thread if you saw it. I’ve only used the shaft twice now. Not trying to make excuses here cause I could’ve probably got better shape on them . Either way that puts me at 18% for the day and right around my avgB&R% that I have stated here. I switched back to a normal shaft for 9 ball. But was really hoping to get at least one in eight and one in nine Sunday to prove my point.
Wolfy you keep posting small samples. Also I assume these are played on the kiddy table. I’m still waiting on the video of you beating the 9 ball ghost on a 9ft table.
 
I’ve said it before man. My fargorate around 480 with 450 games. 150 of those Salotto. Other 300 digital pool tournaments. The only people I ever gamble with are typically 550 pluses. Playing almost Anybody up to about a 620 with a lot of robustness I almost always split sets with. Anybody under 550 usually wants a spot to play me.
When I’m gambling-winner breaks. I can’t remember a time I’ve agreed to alternating breaks in
I didn’t ask for any kind of spot. I simply said come play. We can play winner break. We can play loser break. We can play on the bar table. We can play on the 9ft. We can play on the kitchen counter top.
 
Hold on, did you say you have a 9’ GC at home?

If so, go play 20 racks of 9 ball. Keep score on a piece of paper. Break and see how many times you make a ball and get all the way out. That should go quickly, probably take 30 minutes total. No offense meant, as you’d have to be a pro to get a bunch of racks. Post a picture of the paper. That will answer the question “what is your break and run percentage”.

Also what is your actual Fargo and robustness today? I don’t believe I saw those actual numbers in this thread.
Shouldn’t take that long at all. He could just record it and post it to prove his success. He’d probably break and run 4 of the first 5 games. That would be 20% of 20 games.
 
This guy is either delusional or the best 480 to ever play! Two and three packs are the norm for a 480 LMAO. I’m surprised this guy just doesn’t travel the country playing 500 and under events. He would probably make more than he does landscaping the way he mows down the table.
 
Just checked our USAPL stats for the session. 6 teams playing double jeopardy. Total of 10 players between Fargo 500-550. Playing on 7' Diamond bar boxes, playing 15 weeks so far.

10-ball BnR's: 1
8-ball BnR's: 11
 
Out of curiosity I checked atlarge stats posted here on AZB and for the last 4 9 ball events the break and run % was 25% 23% 36% and 27% for an average of 28%.

You say you BnR at 20% with a Fargo around 500. Seems like your Fargo would be a lot higher than that. However I know nothing I’m just a banger.
Without speaking to the 20% claim, those stats I believe are probably for the 9 on the spot, break box rules. When they could break from anywhere, it was as high as 40-50%.
 
Without speaking to the 20% claim, those stats I believe are probably for the 9 on the spot, break box rules. When they could break from anywhere, it was as high as 40-50%.
Probably so but those are still the best players in the world so even if they were at 40% a 500 still can’t BNR at 20%. What if he was using those same break rules you think he could still claim 20%?
 
Probably so but those are still the best players in the world so even if they were at 40% a 500 still can’t BNR at 20%. What if he was using those same break rules you think he could still claim 20%?
Like I said, I’m not speaking to the claim. Only clarifying the comparison. A 20% BnR in competition would probably be a 700+ standard with relaxed rules.
 
Yeah I usually do even reply to threads like this but I was just being an antagonist lol.
I don't really see this as being an antagonist. Not like you're being villainous or hurtful.

I played 75 racks (3 sets of 25) of 10-ball with a 704, there were 11 BnR between us (14% BnR)

Yesterday, non-rated friend who plays at a good speed, 21 racks (3 sets of 7), 9-ball (MR format), 4 BnR between us (19% BnR)

Not sure of my rating, as detailed in another thread, it's been hard to get set-up here. But I work really hard, playing anywhere from 4/5 to everyday of the week, for at least 2 hours a time. I had to play and concentrate fully to beat a well inebriated 704. There's no doubting he is better than me (and also not even an American table player, he plays Chinese-8 ball in pro events).

I certainly don't think I am near 20% BnR against 'God' in 9-ball (maybe breaking from the side I can get there on a rare occasion). Playing the ghost isn't so bad (MR or old format). Probably in 8-ball I can hit 20%+ or at least feel like I could against 'God' - 8-ball against the ghost is too easy. 10-ball, there's no way on earth I'd contemplate 20% against 'God' - the ghost is just an additional ball on 9

If your percentages are true, I reckon Fargo is broken and you should cash in. Be a Travellin' man :)
 
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My guess the reason this guy is supposedly always playing 600+ Fargo players and spots 550’s is because he is a fish and thinks he plays way better than he does. He probably talks this same nonsense in the pool room and the real players just play to his ego. My guess is he loses way more than he wins $ wise when playing these guys and they always tell him how great he plays.
 
Maybe we should just all start over here. How about from now on we pretend I don’t even have a Fargorate listed. I have three times as many games in the APA system. Im in one of the bigger/ harder APA regions. And if you were to look at Dr. Dave’s APA to Fargorate conversion chart I’d be minimum 550 at my APA level. Plus the fact I earned the SL7 in 8 ball. I was running an 85% win percentage as a six for six months straight. That should’ve automatically made me a seven. And it does in a lot of places. But the thing is the LO told me later. Well, maybe it wasn’t the LO. I don’t wanna get anybody in trouble here. That for those six months me going to a seven was overridden because I didn’t have seven numbers to go with that 85% I was like .15 above 7 numbers. We are in a hard APA region and the LO probably didn’t want anyone to be way outmanned going up. Pretty sure he keeps everybody down as long as he can. There have been a lot of twos and threes that haven’t been moving for a while lately even with high win %. And yes, so y’all know the LO in APA has an override button.

So maybe we should go off of that from now on. You know go off of the platform that I have the most games in. So from now on when I reference my Fargorate, it will be 550. Once I’m a 7/8 which should be in another week or two( Im surprised it didn’t go up yet because I was teetering but the LO is on a 2 week vacation) I’m gonna reference myself as around at 575 and then once I’m a 7/9 in APA expect me to say that I’m around 600+. Maybe then we’d all see eye to eye a little bit easier from here on out. until I’ve had at least more time to get some more games into the fargorate system to match the games in the APA system. And that way nobody’s confused as to what my level really is.

Yeah let’s base it on APA, a league where half the players are drunk having a fun night out. If I were trying to tell people I am a strong player I would not be mentioning my APA league stats to qualify my play but that’s just me.

You sound more like a sheep than a wolf.
 
Yeah let’s base it on APA, a league where half the players are drunk having a fun night out. If I were trying to tell people I am a strong player I would not be mentioning my APA league stats to qualify my play but that’s just me.

You sound more like a sheep than a wolf.

hey, there’s a lot of APA players that are an SL six in eight ball with a robust listed Fargorate that is higher than mine. I know a few sixes are listed at at robust 520-530 fargorates in my area. With over 1000 games in. And none of them can beat me in a straight race for money. so nine times out of 10 APA is more right on than fargorate is. Makes it more accurate I guess in my opinion, and mathematically at that level at least.
 
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