Another "How would you play this" .. :D

If you can't position the 8, then position the CB. Bank it short and draw to the side rail near the corner then to the end rail.

For fun, I would hit it full enough to double kiss, using draw to kick the CB back toward the end rail. Double kiss would send the 8 to the middle of the end rail. One pocket shot.....
 
PoolSharkAllen said:
You might be able to roll the CB softly into the 8 and hide the CB behind the point of the side pocket, as shown below:

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from that distance i doubt efren has the control necessary to pull it off with any consistancy.

if the ball isnt absolutely frozen you can always just roll up to it soft enough to hopefully come back to the table with something better.

another optionif it is frozen and if you werent facing a really good player would be to bump the 9 to the rail next to the opposite side making shape from the 8 to the 9 a bit more difficult. a b player or below is somewhat likely to screw up or even miss on the 8 in that situation, especially under pressure.
 
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Playing a safety here is as difficult as making the ball. I would bank the 8 cross corner and pray like hell I made it. If I do I will most likely have a shot on the 9.

PS- I would love to see someone thin the 8 and corner hook the next man with the side pocket. Although not impossible it is VERY risky and highly unlikely you are going to pull that shot off.


Gary
 
veilside81 said:
Ok always same situation... Hill hill, big match... etc... Your opponent misses and leaves you in a great situation like this... What would you play?

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I'm not sure if the angle is there, but how about banking the 8-ball 4 rails (or 5, depending on if it hits the head rail), back up to the head of the table (close to the center of the head rail would be ideal, while using a little inside English to try to float the cue ball down beneath the 9? If the angle is there (hard to tell from these diagrams), then the shot is much easier to execute than it might seem.
 
Masayoshi said:
from that distance i doubt efren has the control necessary to pull it off with any consistancy.
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If the distance were between the 8 and the CB were shorter, that safe I suggested might be very doable.

From further away, I'm not sure if it's doable but it might be worth checking out in practice to see if that type of consistent soft touch is possible.
 
I just set this shot up and fired a few different angles.. including kicking from the bottom rail and coming up and hitting it to see the leaves.

Overall the best shot was the straight bank with bottom english. Most of the time Iwould miss it and then from drawing the cueball back up leave a really hard shot on the 8 for the opponent. I made it a couple of times and left myself a thin cut on the 9 which was still much better than the shot on the 8 so that wasnt so bad and definately wasnt that difficult of a cut if you're a player.

So turns out the bank to the corner was the highest % shot imo.
 
cubc said:
I just set this shot up and fired a few different angles.. including kicking from the bottom rail and coming up and hitting it to see the leaves.

Overall the best shot was the straight bank with bottom english. Most of the time Iwould miss it and then from drawing the cueball back up leave a really hard shot on the 8 for the opponent. I made it a couple of times and left myself a thin cut on the 9 which was still much better than the shot on the 8 so that wasnt so bad and definately wasnt that difficult of a cut if you're a player.

So turns out the bank to the corner was the highest % shot imo.
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Thank you, cubc. Knowing what you know now, would you shoot that bank in a hill-hill match?
 
cubc said:
I just set this shot up and fired a few different angles.. including kicking from the bottom rail and coming up and hitting it to see the leaves.

Overall the best shot was the straight bank with bottom english. Most of the time Iwould miss it and then from drawing the cueball back up leave a really hard shot on the 8 for the opponent. I made it a couple of times and left myself a thin cut on the 9 which was still much better than the shot on the 8 so that wasnt so bad and definately wasnt that difficult of a cut if you're a player.

So turns out the bank to the corner was the highest % shot imo.
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This is a tough shot no matter what shot you choose. IMO

The bank in the corner seems to be off a natural angle to get to the corner. Meaning, you have to bank it slow to widen it out, or, put low english and draw back on the Q ball as you suggested. Any slight off hit on the eight would either result in a double-hit, (if hit too full) or, a scratch in the side pocket. High english would just shorten the bank up too much for one-rail in the corner.

The cross bank in the side is also a makeable shot, but, the cue ball is either left to run around the table or if you use low, a possible scratch in the upper corner pocket.

Another thought, seeing that the percentage ratio is so low on any of these shots, is to shoot the cue ball off the point of the side pocket.

It also is a low percentage shot unless practiced often, (as all of these are) but, you have the chance of making the ball, or if hit thin, leaving the cue ball on the opposite side rail and the eight on the same side rail as it currently is on.

This would either give the opponent a bank on the eight, (which is blocked by the nine) or, a thin cut on the eight, (which would leave the cue ball back up table for a tough shot on the nine) and hard for the opponent to get position on the nine. I like this because it gives two possiblities and not just a flyer at trying to win.

Anyway you look at it. They are all tough shots. And remember, you only get one chance.
 
The cross bank in the side is also a makeable shot, but, the cue ball is either left to run around the table or if you use low, a possible scratch in the upper corner pocket.
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You're the second person to suggest using low to hold the CB up. How do you think this works?

Either way the CB has to be moving at the same speed at the time of contact or the OB won't make it all the way across to the cross side pocket. In order to still have some backspin on the CB after it hits the OB you have to hit even harder, which negates any added braking effect after contact.

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hit about half ball on the 8, "slow roll". the cue will slightly double kiss and with the right speed move either on the 9, by the 9, behind the 9, or close to the rail. the eight will come off the rail and slightly drift down towards the corner. it will leave your opponent with a tough shot on the 8 and depending on where the cue is could make position for a good shot on the nine tough as well.


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Patrick Johnson said:
You're the second person to suggest using low to hold the CB up. How do you think this works?

Either way the CB has to be moving at the same speed at the time of contact or the OB won't make it all the way across to the cross side pocket. In order to still have some backspin on the CB after it hits the OB you have to hit even harder, which negates any added braking effect after contact.

pj
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I never stated that the cue ball could be held at that end using low. {Please reread my post. I said you could scratch. Nothing about final destination.

Yes, to hold that there would be impossible, unless you got lucky, didn't scratch and wobbled in the jaws of the corner pocket. A totally luucky outcome.
 
I never stated that the cue ball could be held at that end using low. {Please reread my post. I said you could scratch. Nothing about final destination.
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You did suggest it by saying "the cue ball is either left to run around the table or if you use low".

But assuming you didn't mean it that way, then what would be the purpose of using low?

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Patrick Johnson said:
Then what would be the purpose of using low?

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Just how I shoot it. I feel more comfortable with that shot than using high. That's all.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
You did suggest it by saying "the cue ball is either left to run around the table or if you use low".

But assuming you didn't mean it that way, then what would be the purpose of using low?

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Or if you use low you could scratch. I still didn't say that the cue ball would stay at that end. I said could scratch. Doesn't mean that it couldn't run around like when using other english.
 

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This is the best option for me. I am a fairly safe player. I win more games by not allowing my opponent to beat me than by selling out and going for the low percentage shot.
 
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you cant get that angle with that distance from where the cueball is without scratching. Set it up and do it.
 
I dunno. I think I would be very tempted to hit the 8-ball at about mach 4 and send it into the 9-ball. I mean, I just can't see any high percentage play here.

Regarding the 1-rail bank in the side, it looks a little too sharp of a cut in the diagram but I could be wrong. If it appears to be makeable, that would have to be the correct shot and don't worry about your cueball. It's going to fly around the table like a groundball at Shea stadium - nobody can tell me where it's going to end up and it really doesn't matter. Make the 8ball and you have a chance at winning. Don't make it and hope you leave your opponent safe.
 
How about this one?

I know it's not the easiest shot in the world, but I might be tempted to try this:

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You could get really lucky, and hide the 8 behind the 9, or REALLY lucky and pocket the 9, but if you don't, it looks to me like the angle is there to leave the balls in the positions I diagrammed, forcing your opponent to play a semi-difficult safety back at you.

Thoughts?

-Andrew
 
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