Andrew Manning said:
This looks very similar to my idea of hitting it at mach 4, maybe mach 3. Seriously, you don't have much so anything you do is a gamble.
Another "How would you play this" .. :D
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This looks very similar to my idea of hitting it at mach 4, maybe mach 3. Seriously, you don't have much so anything you do is a gamble.
PoolSponge said:
Actually, playing for the side pocket doesn't seem like too bad of an option to me. I think if I were going this route, I would play it with a bit of running english, and hope for the cb to come around 4 rails to somewhere near the side pocket. It's one of those situations where you're probably already dead, and if you miss the 8 you're almost certainly dead, so you may as well just do whatever you feel most comfortable with.
It seems to me that, when it comes to low percentage shots like this, experience and personal preference play an even bigger role than normal, and a shot that seems ludicrous to one player may be by far the highest % shot for another player. At that point, it might simply come down to whichever shot you have the most confidence in.
Good rolls,
Aaron
Aaron_S said:
It looks like it borders impossible to me but I could be wrong. I'm sorry but even if you can get the right contact point, you're going to have to hit it at mach 7 to get it in the side pocket. So, if you're going to hit it at mach 2 or higher, you can pretty much do whatever you want and it's all the same.
Jude Rosenstock said:
Well, but wouldn't you agree that it lies a lot better than Vernon Elliot's impossible bank, which, as it turns out, is not exactly impossible? I don't know if I would personally shoot at the side pocket on this shot, but I wouldn't condemn someone else for choosing to. Of course, I also believe that there is a certain power that comes from naivety. This bank is extremely difficult, as you and I both know, but someone who grossly underestimates the difficulty of the shot might actually have a better chance of making it because they can approach it with much more confidence. Much like "beginner's luck", a person's misconceptions about the difficulty of something might actually lead to a better performance than they should rightly expect.
As always, JMHO
Aaron
Aaron_S said:
Well, now you're talking about something much different. Naivity leading to false confidence possibly resulting in a positive execution of an improbable shot is not justification for it. I've taken shots like this before (you actually have to beat a second kiss assuming you can get the correct angle). In this instance, you're shooting out of the pocket at an angle that approaches the cusp of what is physically possible (at least, that's how it appears to me in the diagram). You might be better off using the same naivity and saying, "I am definitely going to clobber this ball at mach 4 and run into that 9ball and send it around the table 42 times!!!"
Your math is off. Making the cross corner bank is about as likely as even hitting the 9 with the 8. Plus you don't have to hit it at Mach speed or risk scratching in the side, and you might get the two-way safety if you miss. No contest.
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Patrick Johnson said:
Who said I use math?
I believe Id just bank the 8 cross the corner, not that difficult of a shot, and position is rather easy as well. I think you'll find using medium speed is more than adequate, shooting this shot to hard is what looses the match.
as far as a saftey, yes, absolutely, but I think you'll find a winning saftey in this situation is much more dificult than going for the shot.
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as far as a saftey, yes, absolutely, but I think you'll find a winning saftey in this situation is much more dificult than going for the shot.
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I just set the shot up and shot it a handful of times. I scratched a couple times trying to play safe by playing the 8-ball 4 (or 5) rails back to the head of the table. The angle isn't very good for that shot. Then I tried banking it in the corner and, while I admit I'm no Bugs Rucker, I couldn't do anything but come up short (I was trying to get better position than just stopping the cue ball there. I didn't try that). Then I played the 8 cross-side, sending the cue ball 5 rails for shape on the 9. I hit it 3 times in a row and almost had the urge to throw my cue and visor on the table ala Fast Larry, but I wasn't wearing a visor so I just quit. Anyway, I guess after setting it up and shooting it a few times myself, my opinion has changed. I'd be doing something offensive here and, based on my own results, that would be banking it cross-side.
Teddy Garrahan left me this exact same shot hill hill once and i tried the safety and went down the toilet in grand style. It was UGLY.
The scratch in the side a huge possibility when banking cross corner if you actually want to make it and not hit it short. It is most likely VERY tricky. If the cue was further out nearer to the same rail as the 8 is on, then cross corner would be the option IMO.
BUT, since it's not, i would have to rifle at the cross side bank on the 8 and go 5 or 6 rails depending on what angle the cue ball takes, and hope to have a shot on the 9, and if it goes to far, i would hope to have a bank on the 9 or SOMETHING on the 9 after 5 or 6 rails, if you manage to avoid any type of kiss on the 8 and manage to pocket the 8 on top of that.
That is the ONLY choice IMO for someone who wants to blast at it. For all you know if you miss, you might get lucky right back at them.
The scratch in the side a huge possibility when banking cross corner if you actually want to make it and not hit it short. It is most likely VERY tricky. If the cue was further out nearer to the same rail as the 8 is on, then cross corner would be the option IMO.
BUT, since it's not, i would have to rifle at the cross side bank on the 8 and go 5 or 6 rails depending on what angle the cue ball takes, and hope to have a shot on the 9, and if it goes to far, i would hope to have a bank on the 9 or SOMETHING on the 9 after 5 or 6 rails, if you manage to avoid any type of kiss on the 8 and manage to pocket the 8 on top of that.
That is the ONLY choice IMO for someone who wants to blast at it. For all you know if you miss, you might get lucky right back at them.
You did:
"I just can't see any high percentage play here."
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Patrick Johnson said:
Wow, I think you deservedly get the loser smiley, too!!
I setup the diagramed position today and practiced it for about 10 minutes, using a variety of shots.klockdoc said:
To my amazement, the cross bank in the side is a very makable shot. I made it four times using high left english and moderate speed so that the CB will go around the table for position on the 9.
The cross bank shot may actually be a higher percentage shot than some of the other shots that were suggested.
PoolSharkAllen said:
Agreed. I did the same thing tonight. ShootingArts swears by this shot. I actually also thought the angle was a little too extreme. Had to get the right aim for the deflection, but, the shot went in rather easy.
Cue ball ended up at about the side pocket on the same side as the eight was opriginally. Good enough for a cut on the nine.
I agree. If I am going for the shot. This would probably be the one I would attempt.
Jude, if I had known that "using math" is an insult to you I'd have never suggested it. I'll be more careful with you in the future.Jude Rosenstock said:
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