Another One Pocket WWYD

fjk said:
It looks ridiculous difficult. But set it up and hit 10 of them. You'd be surprised. When I play it I'm not planning on making it. I'm trying to get it very close. I can probably make it 20% of the time. 70% of the time I get it close. I probably scratch 5 or 10% of the time. Winning the rack 20% of the time is worth the risk. I roll that cue pretty softly. Fast cloth helps a lot when back cutting that shot.
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jtompilot said:
Evan Lunda beat Scott Frost with the back cut at Buffalo’s.

I’ve made the back cut more than several times and opponents have made it against me. I’ve also scratched and whiffed it. The up and down two railer is good. The most common is to try and leave the object ball in front of the side pocket.
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Evan lunda is a top pro AND everyone is still talking about that shot because how difficult it is to pull it off
When the cue ball is in the corner the scratch in the same pocket is on
Its difficult to hit soft enough to not scratch
I start to think about the back cut when the cue ball is about 1/3 diamond from the corner
For the op
If its a high percentage shot for you
Go for it
If it is high percentage for you
I need a BIG spot
Not sure if this emoji 😂or this one 😢 is appropriate
 
bbb said:
Evan lunda is a top pro AND everyone is still talking about that shot because how difficult it is to pull it off
When the cue ball is in the corner the scratch in the same pocket is on
Its difficult to hit soft enough to not scratch
I start to think about the back cut when the cue ball is about 1/3 diamond from the corner
For the op
If its a high percentage shot for you
Go for it
If it is high percentage for you
I need a BIG spot
Not sure if this emoji 😂or this one 😢 is appropriate
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It definitely ain't a high percentage shot for me. Admittedly, even when I was shotmaker with young eyes, I only shot it when I was feeling good. I think I would shoot it consistently if I was the much weaker player though. Some guys are just so deadly on practically any one, or even two rail bank, they're almost impossible to defend against. If you have a chance to put pressure on them, and maybe even win, you probably need to consider taking a little risk before they outmaneuver and outshoot you. I remember watching that match between D.O. and Tony, D.O. probably made 80-90% of all his long one-railers (for the entire freaking match!). The ones he missed were REAL close.
 
fjk said:
It definitely ain't a high percentage shot for me. Admittedly, even when I was shotmaker with young eyes, I only shot it when I was feeling good. I think I would shoot it consistently if I was the much weaker player though. Some guys are just so deadly on practically any one, or even two rail bank, they're almost impossible to defend against. If you have a chance to put pressure on them, and maybe even win, you probably need to consider taking a little risk before they outmaneuver and outshoot you. I remember watching that match between D.O. and Tony, D.O. probably made 80-90% of all his long one-railers (for the entire freaking match!). The ones he missed were REAL close.
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As I said, from about a third of diamond away from the corner, I will try to cut it in From there for me I think I’m more likely to mess up trying to cut it in
I do not disagree with your logic, but I would rather force him to make the bank then for me to hit it poorly or scratch
Jmho
You obviously have more skill than me
 
Hungarian said:
What's wrong with crossing it towards your pocket with right side spin (maybe a hair of draw) so that the cue ball goes three rails short of the upper left corner and drops gently on the first diamond on the end rail?
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This is how I play it,but with a lot of low right to avoid the scratch in the upper pocket.
 
measureman said:
This is how I play it,but with a lot of low right to avoid the scratch in the upper pocket.
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Any kind of spin on a table length shot shooting out of the jaws is really tough to execute with accuracy. Whatever I chose, it would probably be something I could roll with center ball.
 
fjk said:
Any kind of spin on a table length shot shooting out of the jaws is really tough to execute with accuracy. Whatever I chose, it would probably be something I could roll with center ball.
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I play this shot a lot with a low right skid stroke and after awhile it's not that hard.
It seldom goes in but getting it close gives the opponent a chance to screw up his shot.
 
I've played the cut shot. The standard outcomes are:
  1. You miss the ball entirely. Double spotted balls. Maybe OK.
  2. Too thin leaves a tough shot.
  3. Just right and it goes in and the cue ball stops near the head rail.
  4. Just right and it goes in and the cue ball scratches on two rails in a head pocket.
  5. A little too full and you scratch in your opponent's pocket.
  6. (I have never hit the cut shot so full that the cue ball goes to the side rail, but l suppose a bad miss might do that.)
I think of the shot as a psychological move. Some people are not comfortable playing against crazy people.

If you roll fuller off the side of left side of the ball for a safe, you have to learn to leave the cue ball within half a ball of the foot cushion. You can be way off on exactly where you leave the object ball as long as the cue ball is stuck.

Reports of making (or nearly making) the ball and scratching are curious. The shot can't scratch straight in if the cut is close and the balls are the right weight. Well, you can if you stun the cue ball but you can't stun it at that distance and with the speed required for the safe.
 
measureman said:
I play this shot a lot with a low right skid stroke and after awhile it's not that hard.
It seldom goes in but getting it close gives the opponent a chance to screw up his shot.
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I would never play the cut shot from the jaws with any side spin. It's hard enough to aim without. Side with elevation? Definitely a psychological move if it works at all.
 
maha said:
for most mortals--. the easy shot is to bank it up near the side pocket but not past it on his side. and leave the cue ball near your pocket on a rail.

he then has no effective offensive and a weak defensive shot.
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This is the best option for a mediocre player. Not a lot of risk and easy to perform.
 
fjk said:
D.O. probably made 80-90% of all his long one-railers (for the entire freaking match!). The ones he missed were REAL close.
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Orcullo is badass.

Bob Jewett said:
Reports of making (or nearly making) the ball and scratching are curious. The shot can't scratch straight in if the cut is close and the balls are the right weight.
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I set up the shot a couple of times and wasn't coming closer than half a diamond tonight.
 
fjk said:
Similar to two spotted balls with ball in hand behind the line, this is another shot that comes up regularly. The last ball gets worked up table and your opponent sinks it, it gets spotted, and the cue is left in the jaws. How do you play it? I play to cut it in. If you make the shot, you don't scratch. The key is to make it or overcut it. Even if you miss the ball completely, it's not the end of the world because another ball spots up. Also, for simplicity's sake, let's assume you and your opponent are an even match. I do realize your appetite for risk, in this position, would change if you were the much weaker or much stronger player.
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Here's your shot right here by Evan Lunda vs Scott Frost:

 
fjk said:
No sense in taking the intentional. Before you do that just shoot it to his rail towards his side pocket and roll the cue down on the foot rail.

If you try cutting it, think just trying to hit it as thin and soft as you can. Rolling it a foot or two towards your hole is good. On fast cloth, every once in a while it goes (20% of the time for me).

Funny thing on the scratch, if you do scratch, the ball is probably pretty close to your hole and a little bit of a blood test spot shot for your opponent. It ain't no gimme! I know guys that wouldn't shoot the spot shot, they would knock your ball away.
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You like those 20% shots, we should play sometime🤣😎🤪
 
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