Another question for the English gurus.

sparkle84 said:
Don't have a clue, I don't play pool. All I can do is refer you to the above post that you referenced. Check paragraph three.

I don't know or care if you use parallel, pivot, backhand, front hand, or maybe even backwards english.

My point is very clear, if the tip contacts the CB off center to either side then it's some part of the edge of the tip that makes contact with the CB not the center.
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Hey there Crackle,

You must have missed the two times I've posted on the other thread "I AGREE THE WORD SHOULD BE EDGE, NOT CENTER."

You should immediately open a class action lawsuit for wasting thousands of people's time, reading my inexact articles. For mistaking one word, I shall commit seppuku immediately.
 
BilliardsAbout said:
Hey there Crackle,

You must have missed the two times I've posted on the other thread "I AGREE THE WORD SHOULD BE EDGE, NOT CENTER."

You should immediately open a class action lawsuit for wasting thousands of people's time, reading my inexact articles. For mistaking one word, I shall commit seppuku immediately.
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My reply was to Island Drive. Has nothing to do with you.
 
BilliardsAbout said:
Hey Spongiform,

Your reading comprehension is atrocious. Here's what I wrote above:

"He's won 200 tournaments, he's been a pool pro for decades without other income. He puts bread on his family's table winning professional billiards tournaments."

Tom on his own publicity--and that's going back ten years ago, by the way, beat other professionals to win it all 200 times.
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They now have a drug that helps with memory loss. Don't know the name of it but should be an easy search.

Apparently you forgot about your original statement on the subject which was:
TK has won nearly 200 professional tournaments, been ranked as high as 4th worldwide, and has defeated 99% of the world’s top pool pros during his career.
Which can be found here https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/your-pro-pool-clinic-with-tom-kennedy-matt-sherman.553972/
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sparkle84 said:
They now have a drug that helps with memory loss. Don't know the name of it but should be an easy search.

Apparently you forgot about your original statement on the subject which was:
TK has won nearly 200 professional tournaments, been ranked as high as 4th worldwide, and has defeated 99% of the world’s top pool pros during his career.
Which can be found here https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/your-pro-pool-clinic-with-tom-kennedy-matt-sherman.553972/
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You don't know how to read, Spycicle!

TK has won 200 [pro] tournaments--these are some of the tournaments he's won... 200 of them were [professional tournaments].

Tom Kennedy was the then youngest-ever winner of the U.S. Open at Nine Ball. He has been a pool pro full-time ever since. He is a Six-Time Florida Pro of the Year and plays on Southeast and Florida circuits mostly. He plays in several tournaments a month, particularly here in Florida, in recent years.

If he plays in PRO outings several times a month and wins once a month for 30 years--that's 360 PRO tournaments, not 200 PRO tournaments.

All else I wrote is factual, TK has played in tournaments all over the country and road-played, often with his late dear friend, Ronny Park. He has played against all the pros and has won matches against nearly all of them during his long career. He has also been ranked #4 in the world.

Learn how to read! Learn math!

But more importantly, STOP saying garbage about one of the top respected pros in our sport! STOP!
 
BilliardsAbout said:
You don't know how to read, Spycicle!

TK has won 200 [pro] tournaments--these are some of the tournaments he's won... 200 of them were [professional tournaments].

Tom Kennedy was the then youngest-ever winner of the U.S. Open at Nine Ball. He has been a pool pro full-time ever since. He is a Six-Time Florida Pro of the Year and plays on Southeast and Florida circuits mostly. He plays in several tournaments a month, particularly here in Florida, in recent years.

If he plays in PRO outings several times a month and wins once a month for 30 years--that's 360 PRO tournaments, not 200 PRO tournaments.

All else I wrote is factual, TK has played in tournaments all over the country and road-played, often with his late dear friend, Ronny Park. He has played against all the pros and has won matches against nearly all of them during his long career. He has also been ranked #4 in the world.

Learn how to read! Learn math!

But more importantly, STOP saying garbage about one of the top respected pros in our sport! STOP!
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Very little of what you write is factual and that is a fact.

Earl Strickland, Mike Sigel, Nick Varner, Johnny Archer, none of them won 200 "Professional" tournaments.

Again, I'm not knocking TK. He was a good mid level pro in his day who got on a roll for a bit and won a big tournament.
Nothing more, nothing less.

By all accounts he's a really nice guy but I can't for the life of me figure out why you think that has one iota of relevance to what's being talked about on this and other threads.

Carry on double o, continue to dodge and deflect.
 
BilliardsAbout said:
I'll do a video when I get back from London, this shot can be made to easily carry five rails around the table.
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Not to pry but are you heading out on a mission. If so could you make the video before you go?

Most living people have never seen Sir Matt play pool.

What if, heaven forbid, things go wrong and you don't make it back? I realize it's unlikely but there's always that tiny percentage of times when you miscue or get a skid.

Would you deprive your legions of fans the one last opportunity to witness your sublime talent?

Please say it isn't so, double o.
 
sparkle84 said:
Very little of what you write is factual and that is a fact.

Earl Strickland, Mike Sigel, Nick Varner, Johnny Archer, none of them won 200 "Professional" tournaments.

Again, I'm not knocking TK. He was a good mid level pro in his day who got on a roll for a bit and won a big tournament.
Nothing more, nothing less.

By all accounts he's a really nice guy but I can't for the life of me figure out why you think that has one iota of relevance to what's being talked about on this and other threads.

Carry on double o, continue to dodge and deflect.
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Hey Sparkplug,

ALL of them won 200 pro tourneys.

If you win the same Florida tournament with pros six times in a row, six years in a row--TK was Six-Time Florida Pro of the Year, that's six professional tournament wins.

You "can't for the life of you" figure why it's important to take a lesson from a pro who has won 200 tournaments with pro entries? Really?
 
sparkle84 said:
Not to pry but are you heading out on a mission. If so could you make the video before you go?

Most living people have never seen Sir Matt play pool.

What if, heaven forbid, things go wrong and you don't make it back? I realize it's unlikely but there's always that tiny percentage of times when you miscue or get a skid.

Would you deprive your legions of fans the one last opportunity to witness your sublime talent?

Please say it isn't so, double o.
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Sparkdead,

I'm heading out now for the Orlando airport, they have no pool table there. Then I will blissfully not think about AZ trolls while I spend the whole time leading conference and off-conference tours. If I'm in a pub one night, I'll make a video just for you!

PS. You are so full of nonsense, I've had video up with me playing and/or teaching for 15 years now online.
 
BilliardsAbout said:
Sparkdead,

I'm heading out now for the Orlando airport, they have no pool table there. Then I will blissfully not think about AZ trolls while I spend the whole time leading conference and off-conference tours. If I'm in a pub one night, I'll make a video just for you!

PS. You are so full of nonsense, I've had video up with me playing and/or teaching for 15 years now online.
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You have a nice time. Hopefully you'll come back refreshed and be able to give thoughtful, coherent answers to all our questions.
 
The five-rail shot under discussion is my invention/suggestion (call it a trick shot if you like, that's fine). Students often have trouble getting around the table to the far short rail when the cue ball is on the wrong side of the hanger in the side pocket, as shown.

I showed this solution to Tom Kennedy and the clinic students in person last month and they enjoyed it. I'm hitting the left side of the cue ball but with the stick inverted a bit, as if I will strike the cue ball with the left side, not the right side, of my cue stick's tip.

I also used my new (old) phone (Samsung A23, last year's model) to try some additional video last night, and added three break-ten-bowliards racks that were fun, as shown (the five-rail demo is between racks 1 and 2):

 
BilliardsAbout said:
The five-rail shot under discussion is my invention/suggestion (call it a trick shot if you like, that's fine). Students often have trouble getting around the table to the far short rail when the cue ball is on the wrong side of the hanger in the side pocket, as shown.

I showed this solution to Tom Kennedy and the clinic students in person last month and they enjoyed it. I'm hitting the left side of the cue ball but with the stick inverted a bit, as if I will strike the cue ball with the left side, not the right side, of my cue stick's tip.

I also used my new (old) phone (Samsung A23, last year's model) to try some additional video last night, and added three break-ten-bowliards racks that were fun, as shown (the five-rail demo is between racks 1 and 2):

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you dont stand behind the shot line and walk in to the shot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😂
nice shooting
 
BilliardsAbout said:
I'm hitting the left side of the cue ball but with the stick inverted a bit, as if I will strike the cue ball with the left side, not the right side, of my cue stick's tip.
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You need right spin for that shot, so of course you're hitting the CB on the right side with the left side of your tip. What else are you trying to describe?

pj
chgo
 
bbb said:
you dont stand behind the shot line and walk in to the shot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😂
nice shooting
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I did for the crazy shot with massive bottom left at 3:40. I stand there on any challenging cut. And I have my students ALWAYS start there until they've mastered aim . . .
 
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BilliardsAbout said:
"I'm hitting the left side of the cue ball but with the stick inverted a bit,"
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If you're hitting it with the left side of your tip, you're hitting the right side of the CB.

Which "side" of the CB you hit is determined by the direction your tip is moving - if it's moving toward the right side of the CB's center of mass (the only way to get right spin), then you're hitting the right side of the CB.

There's no way to hit the left side of the CB and get right spin. If it looks like you’re hitting on the left side when you get right spin, you’re standing in the wrong place for that stroke.

pj
chgo
 
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Patrick Johnson said:
If you're hitting it with the left side of your tip, you're hitting the right side of the CB.

Which "side" of the CB you hit is determined by the direction your tip is moving - if it's moving toward the right side of the CB's center of mass (the only way to get right spin), then you're hitting the right side of the CB.

There's no way to hit the left side of the CB and get right spin. If it looks like you’re hitting on the left side when you get right spin, you’re standing in the wrong place for that stroke.

pj
chgo
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I understand how you are describing the physical reality of the shot.

My contrivance is a stance and aim that make the shot highly easy to execute, as demonstrated. In lay terms, if I divide the cue ball into halves, I'm striking the visible left half of the ball. In physical terms (tip direction) you are correct. (TK thought it was "neato".)

Thank you.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Why is that better than standing in line with where you want the CB to go, as usual?

pj
chgo
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The cue ball will contact the rail closer to the corner pocket with a traditional stance. This shot becomes easy for shape after you get the feel of the stroke, which only takes a try or two.

I could stand more in line by standing closer to the foot spot, but I'd still cheat the shot with an inverted cue and/or by jumping the cue ball to hit the first rail. Standing as I am is counter-intuitive, but makes the shot easy to perform, as demonstrated.

It's a first cousin to this shot:

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The newbie straddles the long rail with their stance, striving to shoot towards the ghost ball, and with a little overcut, misses the 6-ball completely. The wiser play is to stance closer to the corner pocket/short rail, aiming for a thicker hit on the 6, scoring the ball easily while better controlling the CB's shape.

Likewise, I want to stand as full as possible on this shot to concentrate on cue ball speed/the stroke:

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BilliardsAbout said:
I could stand more in line by standing closer to the foot spot, but I'd still cheat the shot with an inverted cue and/or by jumping the cue ball to hit the first rail. Standing as I am is counter-intuitive, but makes the shot easy to perform, as demonstrated.
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Seems to me...

To hit that shot (white line) with even a little right spin (+ a little squirt compensation), you'd have to align your cue about like the black line. But to see that address as being even slightly left of center, you'd have to stand where the red line is, and to then hit the shot with right spin you'd have to hold your cue impossibly far offline (to the left) for a right hander like you.

Which of us is visualizing this incorrectly?

pj
chgo

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