Another smoking thread...

Russ Chewning said:
BAM!

(That's me casting the first stone.)

I don't believe in "sin" as it wholly a manufactured religious idea. It is nothing more than something arbitrarily deemed "bad" by a religious leader.

Russ
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I am in total agreement with you on organized religion. It has, and always will be, the curse of mankind. However, your stance on smoking is very similar to that of a religious zealot. Why can't you live and let live? Our lifestyle accepted smoking for the last 300 years. Your arguement about your paying for increased health care is bogus. Our political machine has determined to use the sin tax, that we as smokers pay, for other purposes such as, studying the mating habits of a ring tailed orangutan. We are paying our fair share, and then some. I am a courteous smoker, and do not mind stepping outside to enjoy a smoke. However, people like you prefer to think of us as idiots without any rights at all. It seems that these days,
people in your age bracket, are more tolerant of "crack heads" and "meth freaks" than you are of people who simply enjoy a little nicotine rush.(which is legal by the way)
I respect you for what you are doing, or have done, to protect our freedom, however I think you should be a little more tolerant of the 25 to 30 % us that are a little less than perfect, in your eyes.

Dick
 
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Pii said:
1. Smoke NEVER dissipates it's actually solid partials it will eventually land somewhere it doesn't just magically disappear. Yes it thins out and may look like it is gone but in a closed room the partial are still present and can me inhaled. In a closed environment other WILL breath your by product period. And talk about twisting facts ...please show me one report that say or supports your silly claim that second hand smoke is "more of a pubicity drive more than actual facts."
LOL You simple don't want to believe it because you are addicted to it.

2. Yes Smog is bad THAT IS WHY WE HAVE THE EPA and their rules and laws to control it. Those rules and laws are to protect us, and even you. I don't see you saying we should allow companies to pollute the air if they want. Why is that? Are you saying we should only concern ourself with something you consider worse than smoking or effect your habit? Silly addict.

3. I doubt you have really taken a count of smokers in your room but even if you did perhaps their are more smoker BECAUSE NON SMOKERS DON'T LIKE ALL THE SMOKE. DUH

4. Yes there is a way to count smoker vs non smokers ...it's simply really count them!

5. WTF does the WWE have to do with this?

6. You smoker are just plan stupid. I mean you have to be why else would you do something that gives you heart disease, lung disease, kills your wife, your kids, your taste, your smell......need I go on?

The only argument you have for smoking it

"Because I want to"

Give me ONE single benefit of smoking?

It's a drug and your an addict.
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Spoken by a true "clean air freak" You need to look at all the things that are much more harmful than smoking. Do you do drugs? Are you a meth freak? Probably not, but if people like you continue to rant, and cause the sin tax to escalate,( that we as smokers have endured for years) eventually we will have to break into your house, and steal your valuables to support our horrendus, dispicable habit. Keep hacking away at us!!!!

Dick
 
sixpack said:
I don't think smoking is good for you, but it's pretty clear that second-hand smoke isn't bad for you.

Oh wait, they have a 'consensus' about that don't they.

I don't miss smelling like smoke when coming home from the pool hall, but I do miss all the pool halls :) I guess it's all a trade-off.

~rc
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My friend, you shouldn't come on here and lie about something that can kill you. Please read; http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=35422
I ain't gonna tell your kids that heroine is good for em so please don't try and tell mine that second hand smoke is harmless. That is just plain stupid.
Peace, Purdman :)
 
100% correct!!!

sixpack said:
Reposted since you missed it earlier in this thread. From Michael Crichton's website:

In 1993, the EPA announced that second-hand smoke was "responsible for approximately 3,000 lung cancer deaths each year in nonsmoking adults," and that it " impairs the respiratory health of hundreds of thousands of people." In a 1994 pamphlet the EPA said that the eleven studies it based its decision on were not by themselves conclusive, and that they collectively assigned second-hand smoke a risk factor of 1.19. (For reference, a risk factor below 3.0 is too small for action by the EPA. or for publication in the New England Journal of Medicine, for example.) Furthermore, since there was no statistical association at the 95% confidence limits, the EPA lowered the limit to 90%. They then classified second hand smoke as a Group A Carcinogen.

This was openly fraudulent science, but it formed the basis for bans on smoking in restaurants, offices, and airports. California banned public smoking in 1995. Soon, no claim was too extreme. By 1998, the Christian Science Monitor was saying that "Second-hand smoke is the nation's third-leading preventable cause of death." The American Cancer Society announced that 53,000 people died each year of second-hand smoke. The evidence for this claim is nonexistent.

In 1998, a Federal judge held that the EPA had acted improperly, had "committed to a conclusion before research had begun", and had "disregarded information and made findings on selective information." The reaction of Carol Browner, head of the EPA was: "We stand by our science?.there's wide agreement. The American people certainly recognize that exposure to second hand smoke brings?a whole host of health problems." Again, note how the claim of consensus trumps science. In this case, it isn't even a consensus of scientists that Browner evokes! It's the consensus of the American people.

Meanwhile, ever-larger studies failed to confirm any association. A large, seven-country WHO study in 1998 found no association. Nor have well-controlled subsequent studies, to my knowledge. Yet we now read, for example, that second hand smoke is a cause of breast cancer. At this point you can say pretty much anything you want about second-hand smoke.

Cheers,
~rc
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The "clean air freaks" chose to ignore those findings. Just as they choose to ignore the fact that all smokers ( through ever escalating sin taxes) pay way more than their share. Lets have a tax on fat people who consume Twinkies on a daily basis. Or the guy who orders a 14 oz. steak
(blood rare) when he has real high blood pressure. You guys should have lived in the sixties,
when it was fashionable to protest against everything. You would have been the same guys who would have screamed at drilling for oil in Alaska because we might lose a few caribou. (better to let the Arab's rape us I guess) Give me a break!!!

Dick
 
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Okay, there's a dead horse stinkin' like, well just stinkin'

Second hand smoke is a risk!

Yep, you heard me, second hand smoke is a risk!

Is driving a risk? Yes!

Is drinking municipal water a risk? Yes!

Is being a race car driver a risk? Yes!

Is camping in Alaska a risk? Yes!

Is rock climbing a risk? Yes!

Is surfing a risk? Yes!

Is what you eat a risk? Yes!

Is meeting new people a risk? Yes!

Is working a risk? Yes!

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I think you just made a great argument . . . for the other side!

Da Poet said:
Okay, there's a dead horse stinkin' like, well just stinkin'

Second hand smoke is a risk!

Yep, you heard me, second hand smoke is a risk!

Is driving a risk? Yes!

Is drinking municipal water a risk? Yes!

Is being a race car driver a risk? Yes!

Is camping in Alaska a risk? Yes!

Is rock climbing a risk? Yes!

Is surfing a risk? Yes!

Is what you eat a risk? Yes!

Is meeting new people a risk? Yes!

Is working a risk? Yes!

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What do the last ten things have in common that the first thing doesn't share?

All of the last ten things we can exercise a certain amount of control over with a reasonable effort. Second hand smoke on the other hand we have no control over if we desire to compete in pool tournaments. It isn't reasonable to say that we can drive hundreds of miles to compete in a weekly tournament.

You made a great argument, just not for smoking.

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I'm just glad we got over 100 posts on this subject. :)

What will we debate when all 50 states are non-smoking?

Prolly the banning of high fructose corn syrup and how its killing pool?

Discuss.
 
damn this thread aint dead yet.


Since yall wanna bring this thread back to life let me just say one thing. Ur safer going into a smokey pool hall than eating tomatoes from the supermarket. Everything can kill u, just man up and quit whining, unless you plan on living in a bubble theres always gonna be something out there that can kill you
 
TXsouthpaw said:
damn this thread aint dead yet.


Since yall wanna bring this thread back to life let me just say one thing. Ur safer going into a smokey pool hall than eating tomatoes from the supermarket. Everything can kill u, just man up and quit whining, unless you plan on living in a bubble theres always gonna be something out there that can kill you
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Ain't that the truth. The flouridation and chorlination of water, has caused massive spikes of cancer in certain pockets of the country. How come no one is boycotting water? The air we breath has a very minimal effect on our health. If it did, We'd all be dead ! Second hand smoke, causing cancer is pure bull***t .

Dick
 
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Well one thing is sure that second hand smoke gets in your clothes and your hair. Im thankful not to go home smelling like an ashtray at nite.
 
TXsouthpaw said:
damn this thread aint dead yet.


Since yall wanna bring this thread back to life let me just say one thing. Ur safer going into a smokey pool hall than eating tomatoes from the supermarket. Everything can kill u, just man up and quit whining, unless you plan on living in a bubble theres always gonna be something out there that can kill you
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In that case, just go jump off a bridge and get it over with, Sunshine. As for the rest of us, we will do our best to live healthy lives and not intentionally expose ourselves to things that kill. I wonder, do you smoke around your children? Would you feel comfortable blowing smoke in their faces? Might as well leave their seatbelts undone as well...

Unfortunately, there are plenty of toxins all around us on a daily basis. You are right about that. But that doesn't mean we should go stick our noses in our exhausts pipes and breathe deeply. Or eat food that we know is contaminated, just because "oh well, if this doesn't kill me, something else will!" Some daily exposures are unavoidable as a part of life... second-hand smoke (and first-hand, for that matter) is totally avoidable.
 
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one more time i will say it...as a smoker, my friends and i have no problem going outside to smoke...in fact sometimes it good to get out of the pool hall for 5 or ten minutes.

Ben
 
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