Another smoking thread...

[Snapshot9]

You don't want to hear my opinion

funny, how people will take an opinion and turn it into fact. Smokes dissipates in 2 to 3 seconds. The current feeling about second hand smoke was more of a pubicity drive more than actual facts. Smog is much worse than second hand smoke will ever be.

I have been playing Pool 46 years, and a full Pool room still has more smokers in it than non-smokers, at least around here. And there is no effective way to measure smokers vs non-smokers that is accurate. That like saying the Nielson ratings represent the whole country, which they don't. If that many people watch WWE, then our couintry's general intelligence level is beyond repair, IMO.

Some of you non-smokers really get fanatical in your rantings.

 

[jasonlaus]

funny, how people will take an opinion and turn it into fact. Smokes dissipates in 2 to 3 seconds. The current feeling about second hand smoke was more of a pubicity drive more than actual facts. Smog is much worse than second hand smoke will ever be.

I have been playing Pool 46 years, and a full Pool room still has more smokers in it than non-smokers, at least around here. And there is no effective way to measure smokers vs non-smokers that is accurate. That like saying the Nielson ratings represent the whole country, which they don't. If that many people watch WWE, then our couintry's general intelligence level is beyond repair, IMO.

Some of you non-smokers really get fanatical in your rantings.

Good luck in your search for an early death.

 

[JoeyInCali]

The whole country is going to be "smoke-free" sooner or later.
If you smoke, you're in for an uphill battle.

All smokers should unite. You all should sue the tobacco company. Sue for you money back because they made you addicts.
Everytime I see a Joe Camel billboard, I wish someone could set it on fire.

p.s.
Do you know anyone who quit smoking and regrets quitting?

 

[jasonlaus]

p.s.
Do you know anyone who quit smoking and regrets quitting?

Just the ones who DIED from it.

 

[Cuebacca]

funny, how people will take an opinion and turn it into fact.

OK, but is this opinion or fact:

Smokes dissipates in 2 to 3 seconds.

Sure, if you're smoking in a wind tunnel. In an enclosed room, not so much.

Some of you non-smokers really get fanatical in your rantings.

And some smokers don't?

 

[Da Poet]

Of COURSE I am gonna ask for weight!! You are emotionally invested in this match, I am not. As it is, I REALLY am awful!! Ask anyone who played me at DCC. Ask Smorgass Bored. Even HE beat me for money!!

I'll gamble, but I an't giving it away.

Russ

Okay, nice try. You beat me a couple times last year in the AZ room. You have lots of time to practice so no weight. Perhaps a TAR match? lol.

 

[Russ Chewning]

Okay, nice try. You beat me a couple times last year in the AZ room. You have lots of time to practice so no weight. Perhaps a TAR match? lol.

I specifically remember everyone beat me at DCC.

.....

.....

Okay... Maybe not.. But I think I remember who you are, though.

I really don't want to get involved in challenge matches/beefs generated by a difference in opinion. I'd rather we just all enjoy our love of the game together, rather than concentrate on NPR subjects. If I let personal views interview with pool, I would have done nothing but gambled with hondo all during the DCC.

My sentence above, I'd rather we just all enjoy our love of the game together, is really the gist of my argument here. A lot of people stay away from pool halls and never take up the game because of the nastiness of cigarette smoke getting in their hair and cloths, and the smell.

If a person truly loved pool more than cigarettes, I would think they would realize that it is selfish to monopolize the air indoors in a pool room. I am sorry if my black and white view of the subject came across as an insult towards you. I truly do believe that when someone smokes long enough, it becomes like any other addiction. They cannot see the negative effect it has on their interactions with other people.

There's plenty of people on here who have quit smoking in states where smoking was no longer allowed indoors in pool halls and bars, and who have been rather emphatic on their opinions that it was a good idea for the state to do so.

People think that the government is evil for passing these bans, but LOTS of people have been quitting smoking because of them. How is that bad.

Contrary to to what some people think, smoking is not good for ANYONE. Anything the government can do to discourage smoking is a GOOD thing, IMHO. Of course, I would stop at the person's personal property.

Look forward to the future, Da Poet. If the government cooperates in creating a more negative view of smoking like they are currently doing, then future generations will grow up thinking "Ewww, smoking is gross, and you can get addicted, and EVERYONE will dislike you for doing it around them!"

Now, from a societal perspective, this will be a positive thing, for in about 2-3 generations, the tide of public opinion will change so much that there will be NO market for the product.

Yes, it sucks for people who are currently smoking (addicted). It truly does suck that the cigarette companies were allowed free reign in advertising back when you guys were younger. nevertheless, please think for a moment about your great-great grandchildren.

Don't you WANT them growing up in a world where public opinion is HEAVILY against smoking? That is the biggest factor deciding whether someone will start smoking, i think.

Anyways, if you ARE who I am thinking of, (taller grey haired gentleman) I liked you well enough to not really want to start a grudge match over a silly topic like public smoking. There ARE just a couple of people I'd love to get down with that I played at DCC, and I even accepted an offer by one of them and tried to make arrangements. The offer then warped into "Well, we'll try to get together if we happen to be at one of the major venues together.

Meh.

Russ

 

[ShootingArts]

the government

. . . Look forward to the future, Da Poet. If the government cooperates in creating a more negative view of smoking like they are currently doing, . . . .

Russ

Russ,

The last I knew the Fed's still subsidized tobacco farming . . . . . ????

Of course Al(greenie) Gore grew tobacco for eight years after his sister died of lung cancer.

What the gubment and politicians do now or will do tomorrow is impossible to predict.

Hu

 

[chevybob20]

Russ,

The last I knew the Fed's still subsidized tobacco farming . . . . . ????


Hu

They stopped that a few years ago. No more subsidies. You can grow all you want, but you had better have a deal in place with a company or you will waste a lot of money and a whole lot of work.

 

[ShootingArts]

thanks!

They stopped that a few years ago. No more subsidies. You can grow all you want, but you had better have a deal in place with a company or you will waste a lot of money and a whole lot of work.

Thanks for the info. At least forty years too late on the Fed's part but definitely a case of better late than never! They grow a little tobacco about twenty miles up the road from me. Perque is a very niche tobacco with a limited market and only about six or eight families still plant a little. I think it is down to about a hundred thousand plants or less a year. Very hard work and the market is almost gone.

Hu

 

[JoeyInCali]

We should plant more marijuana ( the one you can't smoke ).

 

[Da Poet]

I specifically remember everyone beat me at DCC.

.....

.....

Okay... Maybe not.. But I think I remember who you are, though.

I really don't want to get involved in challenge matches/beefs generated by a difference in opinion. I'd rather we just all enjoy our love of the game together, rather than concentrate on NPR subjects. If I let personal views interview with pool, I would have done nothing but gambled with hondo all during the DCC.

My sentence above, I'd rather we just all enjoy our love of the game together, is really the gist of my argument here. A lot of people stay away from pool halls and never take up the game because of the nastiness of cigarette smoke getting in their hair and cloths, and the smell.

If a person truly loved pool more than cigarettes, I would think they would realize that it is selfish to monopolize the air indoors in a pool room. I am sorry if my black and white view of the subject came across as an insult towards you. I truly do believe that when someone smokes long enough, it becomes like any other addiction. They cannot see the negative effect it has on their interactions with other people.

There's plenty of people on here who have quit smoking in states where smoking was no longer allowed indoors in pool halls and bars, and who have been rather emphatic on their opinions that it was a good idea for the state to do so.

People think that the government is evil for passing these bans, but LOTS of people have been quitting smoking because of them. How is that bad.

Contrary to to what some people think, smoking is not good for ANYONE. Anything the government can do to discourage smoking is a GOOD thing, IMHO. Of course, I would stop at the person's personal property.

Look forward to the future, Da Poet. If the government cooperates in creating a more negative view of smoking like they are currently doing, then future generations will grow up thinking "Ewww, smoking is gross, and you can get addicted, and EVERYONE will dislike you for doing it around them!"

Now, from a societal perspective, this will be a positive thing, for in about 2-3 generations, the tide of public opinion will change so much that there will be NO market for the product.

Yes, it sucks for people who are currently smoking (addicted). It truly does suck that the cigarette companies were allowed free reign in advertising back when you guys were younger. nevertheless, please think for a moment about your great-great grandchildren.

Don't you WANT them growing up in a world where public opinion is HEAVILY against smoking? That is the biggest factor deciding whether someone will start smoking, i think.

Anyways, if you ARE who I am thinking of, (taller grey haired gentleman) I liked you well enough to not really want to start a grudge match over a silly topic like public smoking. There ARE just a couple of people I'd love to get down with that I played at DCC, and I even accepted an offer by one of them and tried to make arrangements. The offer then warped into "Well, we'll try to get together if we happen to be at one of the major venues together.

Meh.

Russ

Taller grey haired gentleman. Now you've really pissed me off. (godamit!)

Yeah, I agree, smoking stinks plain and simple, but occasionally, it's a nice escape. No one wants to do any harm to others, they (ocasionally me) just want to stew in their own stuff an sort things out later. That's all.

Okay, back to business. Why not play me staight up? Let's schedule a match. It'll be fun!

 

[TXsouthpaw]

funny, how people will take an opinion and turn it into fact. Smokes dissipates in 2 to 3 seconds. The current feeling about second hand smoke was more of a pubicity drive more than actual facts. Smog is much worse than second hand smoke will ever be.

I have been playing Pool 46 years, and a full Pool room still has more smokers in it than non-smokers, at least around here. And there is no effective way to measure smokers vs non-smokers that is accurate. That like saying the Nielson ratings represent the whole country, which they don't. If that many people watch WWE, then our couintry's general intelligence level is beyond repair, IMO.

Some of you non-smokers really get fanatical in your rantings.

Im glad u chimed in snapshot. i was wondering my self about the old timers whove been playing for 30 or 40 years and how they feel about it. and how many of them (if any) got sick from secondhand smoke

for example Fats died of a heart attack(all the food probably) and Luther lassiter died of natural causes. Both of whom played in smokey pool rooms their whole life, waaay before people even thought of banning smoking.

I also agree with u about it being a publicity drive and that nonsmokers get all holier than though. Just look at the posts

 

[Pii]

its ignorant to smoke in a pool hall? Its not like im smoking on cross country flight or an operating room. Its a pool hall for gods sake.

Im watching an old pool match between efren and bustamante right now and busty is going through like a pack right there at the table. This wasnt that long ago. But im ignorant for enjoying my right to smoke a cigarette while im at the table.

Your right its a Pool Hall NOT a smoking Hall.

As for your right to smoke at a table...well the times they are a chang'en and now it's time for YOU to deal with!

Face it you are a drug addict and like all drug addicts you don't care about anybody else other than yourself and your next fix.

Good luck with your addiction.

 

[Pii]

I'm not argumentative enough to enter into any of these debates tonight. Besides, hockey is on TV .

Here in Michigan, the Legislature is trying to decide if they want to pass a new law that bans smoking anywhere anyone works, period, or to exempt CASINOS but not Bars or Poolrooms . Are casinos special ?

I suggest that they let the owner of any business decide and post the status of his smoking policy on his entry door. If you don't want to shoot pool or drink in my bar which allows smoking then go down the street where they don't allow it. Let the market dictate what's in the best interest of each business. I could go on but you get the idea.

By the way, I don't smoke...Tom

Tom if you go into one of those places that allows smoking then you do smoke. That's the whole point of smoking bans.

 

[railfirst]

I have never been able to smoke while shooting at a pool hall here in MA, I have no problem going outside to smoke with a few good smoking buddies.

Ben

 

[Pii]

funny, how people will take an opinion and turn it into fact. Smokes dissipates in 2 to 3 seconds. The current feeling about second hand smoke was more of a pubicity drive more than actual facts. Smog is much worse than second hand smoke will ever be.

I have been playing Pool 46 years, and a full Pool room still has more smokers in it than non-smokers, at least around here. And there is no effective way to measure smokers vs non-smokers that is accurate. That like saying the Nielson ratings represent the whole country, which they don't. If that many people watch WWE, then our couintry's general intelligence level is beyond repair, IMO.

Some of you non-smokers really get fanatical in your rantings.

1. Smoke NEVER dissipates it's actually solid partials it will eventually land somewhere it doesn't just magically disappear. Yes it thins out and may look like it is gone but in a closed room the partial are still present and can me inhaled. In a closed environment other WILL breath your by product period. And talk about twisting facts ...please show me one report that say or supports your silly claim that second hand smoke is "more of a pubicity drive more than actual facts."
LOL You simple don't want to believe it because you are addicted to it.

2. Yes Smog is bad THAT IS WHY WE HAVE THE EPA and their rules and laws to control it. Those rules and laws are to protect us, and even you. I don't see you saying we should allow companies to pollute the air if they want. Why is that? Are you saying we should only concern ourself with something you consider worse than smoking or effect your habit? Silly addict.

3. I doubt you have really taken a count of smokers in your room but even if you did perhaps their are more smoker BECAUSE NON SMOKERS DON'T LIKE ALL THE SMOKE. DUH

4. Yes there is a way to count smoker vs non smokers ...it's simply really count them!

5. WTF does the WWE have to do with this?

6. You smoker are just plan stupid. I mean you have to be why else would you do something that gives you heart disease, lung disease, kills your wife, your kids, your taste, your smell......need I go on?

The only argument you have for smoking it

"Because I want to"

Give me ONE single benefit of smoking?

It's a drug and your an addict.

 

[Pii]

I have never been able to smoke while shooting at a pool hall here in MA, I have no problem going outside to smoke with a few good smoking buddies.

Ben

Thanks you
That's all we're asking

 

[asbani]

I am trying as hard as I can to quit smoking. I'm unsure if it will help my game a bit. but I am as we speak looking for a way to quit smoking. Maybe I will make or build or come up with something that makes it easier for a smoker to quit. I smoked for so long, god help me - and with your prayers it might become easier.Thanks!

 

[sixpack]

1. Smoke NEVER dissipates it's actually solid partials it will eventually land somewhere it doesn't just magically disappear. Yes it thins out and may look like it is gone but in a closed room the partial are still present and can me inhaled. In a closed environment other WILL breath your by product period. And talk about twisting facts ...please show me one report that say or supports your silly claim that second hand smoke is "more of a pubicity drive more than actual facts."
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Reposted since you missed it earlier in this thread. From Michael Crichton's website:

In 1993, the EPA announced that second-hand smoke was "responsible for approximately 3,000 lung cancer deaths each year in nonsmoking adults," and that it " impairs the respiratory health of hundreds of thousands of people." In a 1994 pamphlet the EPA said that the eleven studies it based its decision on were not by themselves conclusive, and that they collectively assigned second-hand smoke a risk factor of 1.19. (For reference, a risk factor below 3.0 is too small for action by the EPA. or for publication in the New England Journal of Medicine, for example.) Furthermore, since there was no statistical association at the 95% confidence limits, the EPA lowered the limit to 90%. They then classified second hand smoke as a Group A Carcinogen.

This was openly fraudulent science, but it formed the basis for bans on smoking in restaurants, offices, and airports. California banned public smoking in 1995. Soon, no claim was too extreme. By 1998, the Christian Science Monitor was saying that "Second-hand smoke is the nation's third-leading preventable cause of death." The American Cancer Society announced that 53,000 people died each year of second-hand smoke. The evidence for this claim is nonexistent.

In 1998, a Federal judge held that the EPA had acted improperly, had "committed to a conclusion before research had begun", and had "disregarded information and made findings on selective information." The reaction of Carol Browner, head of the EPA was: "We stand by our science?.there's wide agreement. The American people certainly recognize that exposure to second hand smoke brings?a whole host of health problems." Again, note how the claim of consensus trumps science. In this case, it isn't even a consensus of scientists that Browner evokes! It's the consensus of the American people.

Meanwhile, ever-larger studies failed to confirm any association. A large, seven-country WHO study in 1998 found no association. Nor have well-controlled subsequent studies, to my knowledge. Yet we now read, for example, that second hand smoke is a cause of breast cancer. At this point you can say pretty much anything you want about second-hand smoke.

Cheers,
~rc