Another Typical Hosed Runout

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DrCue'sProtege

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this is what i am talking about guys. had this spread after the break a couple of nights ago. pocked the 2-Ball with left english and drift up around Point A for position on the 3-Ball. the 3-Ball was in a funny spot, you had to be able to cut it into the side pocket.

anyway, i went a little too far, and ended up snookered behind the 7-Ball at Point B. this was just so typical, just a little too hard, and all of a sudden a runnable rack is over with.

did i mis-play this? or was i just a little too hard with the shot? basically it was a tip of left english as far as i could see.

DCP

p.s. i changed the diagram just slightly, to what it is now........

http://CueTable.com/P/?@2BRsX3CYpQ4...VSJc2VSRa2VYnb1kRLX1kQNV2kRTR2kajU2kDLe4kKdf@
 
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DrCue'sProtege said:
this is what i am talking about guys. had this spread after the break a couple of nights ago. pocked the 2-Ball with left english and drift up around Point A for position on the 3-Ball. the 3-Ball was in a funny spot, you had to be able to cut it into the side pocket.

anyway, i went a little too far, and ended up snookered behind the 7-Ball at Point B. this was just so typical, just a little too hard, and all of a sudden a runnable rack is over with.

did i mis-play this? or was i just a little too hard with the shot? basically it was a tip of left english as far as i could see.

DCP

http://CueTable.com/P/?@2BRsX3CYpQ4...VSJc2VSRa2VYnb1kRLX1kQNV2kRTR2kajU2kDLe4kIAD@
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Damn, I miss these threads.:)

I think you should have played for the upper end of the table. It is very hard to shoot that shot at that angle easy enough to stay on the lower end. As long as you don't roll all the way to the top corner pocket you can still get shape on the 4. JMO
 
Ktown D said:
Damn, I miss these threads.:)

I think you should have played for the upper end of the table. It is very hard to shoot that shot at that angle easy enough to stay on the lower end. As long as you don't roll all the way to the top corner pocket you can still get shape on the 4. JMO
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i agree, the original diagram would lend itself to that thinking.........but, i realized i had the diagram slightly wrong, and i just corrected it. basically the target zone for your shot wasnt very big either. my shot was just a little too hard, and i am convinced it was the way to play the shot.

i just hit it slightly too hard, and messed up the runout..............:mad:

DCP
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
i agree, the original diagram would lend itself to that thinking.........but, i realized i had the diagram slightly wrong, and i just corrected it. basically the target zone for your shot wasnt very big either. my shot was just a little too hard, and i am convinced it was the way to play the shot.

i just hit it slightly too hard, and messed up the runout..............:mad:

DCP
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Yeah, in the original pic the 7 was basically in line with the side pockets and in your corrected diagram it does make the landing area easier to achieve from the lower end without overrunning it. The target would be the vicinity of the side pocket opposite the 2.

GL
 
Why add any left? You want the angle to go short not long. Left is inviting being hooked by the 7. Either no english or right english depending on exact angle. You want a larger open window to go down table.

Rod
 
Are you walking around the table and deciding EXACTLY where you want the cue ball to go? Sounds like your not doing that. I'd suggest giving this simple idea a try.

Since I have a table at home, this habit has become, well...a habit.:D

Sounds like your overgeneralizing your cue ball position. Cinch up your position drills.

Best of luck.
 
From your diagram, the tangent line from the 2 ball with center english is in line with "A". If you had the layout as per your diagram, left english would have taken you towards or into the 7 ball. I would rather spin down table between the 7 and 8 than try to land on "A". Slow stun stroke with bottom left would take you where you should have been. Speed being the all inportant factor!!

Russ...
 
poolhustler said:
I would rather spin down table between the 7 and 8 than try to land on "A". Slow stun stroke with bottom left would take you where you should have been. Speed being the all inportant factor!!

Russ...
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Agreed. You don't want to get hooked. Shoot this with a lot of low with a touch of left, but not much speed. This is a difficult shot if you're a novice player.

Even if you pass the 3-ball, you can still easily go around the table for shape on the 4-ball:

http://CueTable.com/P/?@2BRsX3CYpQ4...lQhi3lWlb3lawe3lRcN3mRJD3mWda1mGbj1mbPm3mOiS@
 
Rod said:
Why add any left? You want the angle to go short not long. Left is inviting being hooked by the 7. Either no english or right english depending on exact angle. You want a larger open window to go down table.

Rod
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Agreed. Left english allows the CB to run further along it's path, and in this case you got hooked behind the 7. The shot on the 2 is basically a speed control shot. Shoot the 2 with moderate speed using no english or a touch of right so that the CB lands between the 6 & the 7...with decent position for the 3.
 
Rod said:
Why add any left? You want the angle to go short not long. Left is inviting being hooked by the 7. Either no english or right english depending on exact angle. You want a larger open window to go down table.

Rod
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I agree with Rod here. No english with slow speed or firm right english. Right english will get you on the top side or allow you to bump the 7.
 
Just another thought...soft bank the 2 and kill the cue ball right there. Then shoot the three down in the end and follow for the four.
 
the9ballroller said:
Just another thought...soft bank the 2 and kill the cue ball right there. Then shoot the three down in the end and follow for the four.
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i guess your not seeing the position of the 3-Ball and its position relative to that side pocket, huh?

DCP
 
did i read some of these posts correctly? right english??? i cant see the diagram, wont load right this moment, but right english would take you into the 5-Ball i believe. that wouldnt be good.

center ball? are you not seeing the close proximity of the 3-Ball to the side pocket? you have to get the proper shot on the 3-Ball so you can float down towards the 4-Ball. with some of you guys ideas you'd have a very, very thin cut on the 3-Ball, and thus lose control of the cue ball. the left english was to lengthen out the shot so you could get the proper position on the 3-Ball and not have the ultra-thin cut.

DCP
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
did i read some of these posts correctly? right english??? i cant see the diagram, wont load right this moment, but right english would take you into the 5-Ball i believe. that wouldnt be good.

center ball? are you not seeing the close proximity of the 3-Ball to the side pocket? you have to get the proper shot on the 3-Ball so you can float down towards the 4-Ball. with some of you guys ideas you'd have a very, very thin cut on the 3-Ball, and thus lose control of the cue ball. the left english was to lengthen out the shot so you could get the proper position on the 3-Ball and not have the ultra-thin cut.

DCP
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DCP, You're relying on us posters to do your thinking for you. Set up the position and try using no english, as well as right english. Practice working on your speed control. Practice makes perfect, as a wise man once said. :rolleyes:
 
You needed to commit to staying above the 3, because it had the widest margin of error to pocket the 3 and also you should want to stay high on the 3 to get to the 4. You didn't need any english, as the natural path with the right speed would have accomplished the job. If you felt you needed to widen the deflection off the 2, then you could have hit slightly lower on the cueball (as in middle ball. :p )
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
this is what i am talking about guys. had this spread after the break a couple of nights ago. pocked the 2-Ball with left english and drift up around Point A for position on the 3-Ball. the 3-Ball was in a funny spot, you had to be able to cut it into the side pocket.

anyway, i went a little too far, and ended up snookered behind the 7-Ball at Point B. this was just so typical, just a little too hard, and all of a sudden a runnable rack is over with.

did i mis-play this? or was i just a little too hard with the shot? basically it was a tip of left english as far as i could see.
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You overran your position by what appears to be 18" to 2'; seems to me to be a clear case of you needing to work on your speed control. Sure, there are other ways to play the shot that will decrease the likelihood of getting hooked, but until you get your speed issues worked out, you're going to continue to have serious problems.

I won't fault the way you played the shot, but you did make the speed harder to judge by adding the left-hand spin, for a couple of reasons that you should be familiar with by now. First is that the cb could curve slightly left before contacting the ob, causing a slightly thinner hit, and, as it follows, a faster-moving cb. Add to that the fact that the cb is going to gain speed off of the rail due to the running english, and you have the perfect recipe for an overrun. Consideration of these facts, a) the position path you chose led to a spot directly behind the 7 ball, and b) the speed would be affected somewhat by your spin, should have caused alarm bells to go off in your head. These are things you have to consider when applying english to play position, and you must adjust the speed of your stroke accordingly.

Good luck,
Aaron
 
Aaron_S said:
You overran your position by what appears to be 18" to 2'; seems to me to be a clear case of you needing to work on your speed control. Sure, there are other ways to play the shot that will decrease the likelihood of getting hooked, but until you get your speed issues worked out, you're going to continue to have serious problems.

I won't fault the way you played the shot, but you did make the speed harder to judge by adding the left-hand spin, for a couple of reasons that you should be familiar with by now. First is that the cb could curve slightly left before contacting the ob, causing a slightly thinner hit, and, as it follows, a faster-moving cb. Add to that the fact that the cb is going to gain speed off of the rail due to the running english, and you have the perfect recipe for an overrun. Consideration of these facts, a) the position path you chose led to a spot directly behind the 7 ball, and b) the speed would be affected somewhat by your spin, should have caused alarm bells to go off in your head. These are things you have to consider when applying english to play position, and you must adjust the speed of your stroke accordingly.

Good luck,
Aaron
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i agree with your points here. perhaps its hard to see in the diagram, but the shot on the 2-Ball was very thin. it would have been tough to hit it with low. so i tried to hit softly with left spin, to sort of help spin the 2-Ball in and gain position. but, as you say, the spin magnified the speed off the rail and went further than what i wanted.

i disagree, however, that i went almost two feet out of position, perhaps 6 inches to a foot - possibly.

DCP
 
It's much like golf , if I can use that here , you have to know where you don't want to be and take the out of the equasion first. You def want to be short on that shot where you still a a few options on a mistake.

Like another poster said , (according to the diagram) I probably would have just killed the CB off the 2and stayed for straight on the 3 and just followed down to the 4 from there.

Lastly and I know I'm new here but . . .

Another Typical Hosed Runout
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From what I've seen you post , your antisipating failure then WAY over think every minor error. In this thread for instance, you had very simple shape to get but hit a tiny bit too hard. Don't over think it to death , it's pool not rocket science. :) Sometimes things ARE as obvious as they look. Most things in pool are. ;)
 
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DrCue'sProtege said:
i disagree, however, that i went almost two feet out of position, perhaps 6 inches to a foot - possibly.DCP
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Sorry, I made the assumption that you were playing on a 9' table. Your diagrammed shot, on a 9-footer, would have been at least an 18" overrun. Are you playing on a bar box?

Aaron
 
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