Anti-elbow drop machine
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a product exists for this purpose
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Stroke Groover
The Stroke Groover is an incredibly simple and effective way to immediately improve your pool game. Developed by Master Instructor Tom Simpson to allow players to feel when they drop their elbow during their stroke, this tool is extremely helpful for training your muscles to stroke the right way.
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Every pro alive drops their elbow a mile. Not dropping it is the worst pool advice.
Yet tons and TONS of these so-called PBIA/SPF instructors tell you that you have - HAVE - to keep that elbow up and pinned, not moving, using the pendulum stroke.
I knew they were wrong 25 years ago.
I knew they were wrong 25 years ago.
SSDiver2112
Esscot Cues
It's not if you drop it, it's when. After contacting the ball it doesn't matter.
Says who? SPF works for the person wanting to learn that does not have a system to rely on...or the hot dog like me that did the same shit for a lifetime but doubled my runs, less misses with Scott Lee's (RIP) SPF system. EDIT... What level do you consider yourself? Post a video of some of your 9 ball games.
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What is the negative of not dropping the elbow?
It's the taper.
Do whatever you need to the tip to do.
Do whatever you need to the tip to do.
That and self winding wrist strokerI need 2 of these for my next GF
Poking hazard.
VTEC John
Well-known member
Just my two non-expert cents. If you drop your elbow perfectly straight, no problem, but it adds a variable to the stroke that can go wrong (hello, me). Second, ff you drop your elbow and it pulls your shoulder down with it, you've added another variable to the stroke that can go wrong (Jasmin is all shoulder drop, but hers works). Anyway, I just think there's value in a training aid that teaches your brain to minimize elbow drop, which ideally minimizes shoulder drop, which adds up to a more consistent stroke.
It's ok for little bunt shots. But when you need to stroke the ball, a fixed elbow is unnatural. It almost hurts your joints/ligaments/muscles, especially at the end of the stroke. The body WANTS to move it. Why artificially fight it?
If it works for you or anyone cannot argue that. Myself 100% pendulum. Only thing moving is my forearm and heart. Anyway good conversation... no rules if a player is running balls.
If you want to get a newbie to get low on the scale of competent
You teach him the elbow, doesn’t move
And it will help his consistency
There has to be a reason that pros find a way to find what works best
If most pros drop their elbow
AFTER CONTACT
It can’t be bad since so many do it
Jmho
Icbw
You teach him the elbow, doesn’t move
And it will help his consistency
There has to be a reason that pros find a way to find what works best
If most pros drop their elbow
AFTER CONTACT
It can’t be bad since so many do it
Jmho
Icbw
The Gorstian follow through is the best way to maximize stroke length. The farther away you can place point Z the more stability you have in the critical cue ball strike zone and to a significant degree in the stick foul zones.
Contemplate this clip for a second and do what you like.
Contemplate this clip for a second and do what you like.
A pendulum can work well if you can get very low. When age or injury forces a higher stance it becomes impossible to "lock" a shoulder since it can't be locked anyway. Soft tissue at maximum extension can make it feel locked to some degree. As soon as you can't get maximum extension on the soft tissue, no more shoulder "lock".
I have never liked a pendulum because it is an unnatural movement that is very rarely used except when shooting pool. A full arm movement is used every time we walk.
Hu
I have never liked a pendulum because it is an unnatural movement that is very rarely used except when shooting pool. A full arm movement is used every time we walk.
Hu
Just thinking out loud...
The pro women today seem to play much better as a whole than the pro women of the 90's. When you watch those old matches, a lot of those women tried to have perfect pinned elbow pendulum strokes. I think its because the women at that time had coaches preaching the pendulum stroke, whereas most of the men were too proud, and developed naturally.
The women of today have much more piston strokes, like the men do.
Maybe that is one contributing factor to their improved play.
I remember watching Pam Treadway come up in the late 90's/early 2000's in the Philly area. Her stroke was "like a man's" and she dominated for about 10 years every regional event she entered. The other women had a dink stroke with a locked elbow.
The pro women today seem to play much better as a whole than the pro women of the 90's. When you watch those old matches, a lot of those women tried to have perfect pinned elbow pendulum strokes. I think its because the women at that time had coaches preaching the pendulum stroke, whereas most of the men were too proud, and developed naturally.
The women of today have much more piston strokes, like the men do.
Maybe that is one contributing factor to their improved play.
I remember watching Pam Treadway come up in the late 90's/early 2000's in the Philly area. Her stroke was "like a man's" and she dominated for about 10 years every regional event she entered. The other women had a dink stroke with a locked elbow.
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I started watching the ladies in between Jean and Dottie and the modern players, when the woman's tour was just getting going. The evening gowns were a nice distraction. The pool was painful for the most part. While there were about a half-dozen fairly capable players if you bet Allison and Jeanette would be in the final before the event started you would win a lot more than you lost. A few more foreigners started making things interesting on the table but it was a long grind getting enough decent players to look like a tour.
Hu