Not trying to defend my position-just stating an opinion, and we all have one. I just don't see how someone can be ranked number one without some wins. PoolDawg has their ranking, which lists Mr. Lining 24th. Mika is their number one, and it makes a lot more sense than the WPA. He may be the best player in the WPA, and that's fine, but he does not deserve to be considered the best player in the world until he wins something
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WPA rankings aren't the final word on the subject though are they?
Appleton won the US Open yet that isn't taken into account on the ranking list. Not many, if any, bigger or tougher tournaments a professional pool player can win....crazy.
I hear ya...and you are 100% correct about each person's input being their own thought.
The conversation concerns WPA ranking Lining #1. As Laura says in the prior post, "WPA rankings aren't the final word on the subject though".
The US Open is on the list but it is not the hardest to win I dont think. With the possible exception of last years 9 ball WC in Nowheresville, all the others have tougher fields.
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This year's forthcoming US Open is on the list...I'm pretty sure last year's isn't. Maybe someone can correct me but wasn't it something to do with the added prize money at the 2010 Open not meeting WPA 'requirements'?
Tougher fields are debatable....toughest format then? Most prestigious?
Yeah I'll go along with most prestigious currently based on it being the longest running big event. The 9Ball WPC certainly rivaled it overall during its heyday but it will have to gain a lot of steam to get back to that level.
I think DCC is using the same system used by WPA in deciding the Master of The Table Winner. Not really who wins but who is consistently right up there. Don't worry rankings change every time.
About the current WTBC in Manila, whoever Biado is, looks like he is dangerous.
About the current WTBC in Manila, whoever Biado is, looks like he is dangerous.
I believe this thread about Mole eyes questioned about WPA puts Antonio Lining on first position on THEIR ranks this year schedule :
So,
1. only on WPA tourney the players got the point
2. the points only count from middle 2010 - 2011.
From my opinion, Antonio Lining is deserves places number one on WPA rank. The reason is he is the most consistent player for those tourney.
Now, if we want to discuss and argue about who is the BEST IN THE WORLD POOL. Now, that is a different story Mam. it will take a long long time to discuss that matter, because everybody have a different opinion about that matter.
I just don't agree with Mole eyes opinion about how souqet, appleton and Immonen is deserves a rank above Lining. Orcullo can be considered al ittle (Like 4 other champion on other tourney) , because he is a champion while Lining best place in tourney just number 2 (Finalist). But to mention those name above is very ridiculous for me. Please tell me one reason why he brought those name to us, while those name never be a champion on WPA tourney this schedule year.
and i also agree with how WPA run his rank system that put Lining the best places. It's not difficult for us to know why they put Lining the best places. Just look at their site and i believe you know what i'm talking about.
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I understand their ranking system. My argument is not with their ranking system. My argument is, that when discussions pop up on who is the best player, Antonio Lining, as great as he is, would not come to most people's mind for the simple fact that he has not won a tournament. On the WPBA, Karen Corr finishes second in just about every tournament she is in, but she's not ranked number one. That's because Kim and Ouschan WIN, Corr finishes second. Now, when Corr wins a tournament, people will have to start considering her because she is so consistent. Antonio Lining is in the same boat. When he WINS, he may have the resume for people to consider him the best. If we are talking about ranking, I like the AZ money board the best because that's why they play the game. I'm just not sure if that considers the Euro and Asian tour, and if it doesn't then we still don't have a good picture. As for me, if I have to put some money on a player to WIN- I'll take Orcullo.
yes, orcullo. that guy is a beast.
Have not seen Antonio play in a few years but 10 years ago when I had him on the road NO ONE was barred and a lot of champions asked for weight I told a story a few times about Antonio playing the ghost race to 20 no ball in hand after the break and oh yea he gave the ghost 10 games on the wire and got there. Antonio is a legend in Japan ask any good Japanese player what they think of his game.
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OP asked what his credentials were for being the number one ranked player in the world. I think the simplest answer is that there is no ranking list out there to warrant the title 'World Number 1'.
I took this thread to be questioning why the WPA ranks Lining @#1.
If one takes the WPA's ranking to mean anything past WPA ranking...well, then there is a logic error and it is not needing further discussion.
He is a beast and is capable of playing 9b as good as ANYONE. LEt there be no bouta doubt it.
Just for clarification, I was questioning his ranking on the WPA tour, because it appeared that he had not won a tournament. The ranking system they use is apparently based on where they finish in each tournament, and that's ok with me. Obviously, the WPA values consistency above all else. My question was based on the fact that I have never heard his name mentioned when considering the elite of the pool world, and wondered if he HAD won a tournament. I am surprised their ranking system does not weight actually winning a tournament heavier than they do. I have not seen him play, and based on the comments, I would certainly like to. Does he ever come stateside? And again just for clarification, I really think you ought to win something to be the number one ranked player.
So, who's ranked higher, based on the following finishes:
Player A: 1st, 99th, 5th
Player B: 2nd, 3rd, 2nd
There are many players that we've never hear of that play top-notch pool. Ever heard of Yukio Akakariyama? Yong Dai? Toh Lian Han? Hao Xiang Han? Muhammad Bewi Siamanjuntak?
Lining:
http://www.azbilliards.com/thepros/2000showplayer2011.php?playernum=224
I sometimes wonder how true these legendary stories are
I believe he and others could do what you stated- but not consistently. Beat the ghost with 10 on the wire up to 20 with no ball in hand off break! There are so many times in 9 ball that you can't see the low ball to pocket it after the break- even for the pros.
You never heard his name mentioned when considering the elite of the world???? Well, sir i guess you are a new comer on pool world.
He is a past Japan championship and he is a legend in Japan. He is a top ten players in Phillipines. It's not a simple achievement to be a rank top ten in philipines. Phillipines is not like others country, if we talking about pool game, there is many many good player in phillipines.
a third tier player in Phillipines can be a no 1 player on many many country. I Know, because my Pinoy friend can beat my best player here in my country. His name is Edgie Geronimo, he already beat thorsten hohmann on a junior championship, he won a 9-2 over Efren Reyes on Mindanao tourney. He is that good and still he is just consider a third tier player there.
My point is that i just want to share how good is Antonio Lining is.
can you give us an information what tittle Apletton, souqet and immonen achieve this years on WPA tourney?? and please don't give me the answer that they are a champion on the past years as we can bring a 100 more name players on the past that achieve a Major tourney.
Dammmm! I was hoping to hear from Bayawak on this one...