Any help identifying this cue

I have a 1960s Eckes post card when they were US made. It looks nothing like those. I also have the 1960 catalog when they were made by Adam, and it looks nothing like those. Wish I had more catalogs.

Eckes came to mind first for me and is still high on my list.

I call these "carnival cues". When I was a kid a carnical came to our area. You could win tickets playing games and buy prizes with tickets...you know the drill. The more tickets, the higher the prize was displayed. Up high on the wall was a cue and case. It had pearl rings, points, and a bunch of dot inlays. Sort of like a cue like this but even fancier. I always remember that cue when I see cues like this. It might have been the first two piece cue I ever saw. I was about 8 to 10 years old I think.



Obviously that's the first best guess, but I hate leaving it at that. Some of them are in fact US made, and some of them are Adam made. And then, some of them are just nostalgic.

There was a similar unknown that was relisted several times on eBay that I almost bought several times. It ultimately sold in June for $50.

I should have bought it. Why? I dunno. I'm crazy. But, I do have the pictures.


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So, if I figure it out I will post it.
Very similar except for the bumper!👍
 
You right, it’s certainly not a Titlist, it’s missing the Orange Veneer. The dam thing has the characteristics of a number of cue makers, but I would bet it’s a Rich Q.
It's also missing the purple outer veneer. In all the years that Titlist's were made, the purple dye was available. There was a problem with it about 1990, unavailable. Probably caused cancer. It was brought back though. You can have a cuemaker do Titlist veneer colors today.
 
It's also missing the purple outer veneer. In all the years that Titlist's were made, the purple dye was available. There was a problem with it about 1990, unavailable. Probably caused cancer. It was brought back though. You can have a cuemaker do Titlist veneer colors today.
You’re certainly correct, I am familiar with that whether true or false. I also wore a dust mask when sanding the forearm of Titlist cue during a refinish. The earlier model Brunswick cue (26 1/2) didn’t have those veneers, it was replaced by the Titlist in the 1940s.

Thanks for the information!
 
You’re certainly correct, I am familiar with that whether true or false. I also wore a dust mask when sanding the forearm of Titlist cue during a refinish. The earlier model Brunswick cue (26 1/2) didn’t have those veneers, it was replaced by the Titlist in the 1940s.

Thanks for the information!
You're welcome. The dye industry is crazy, isn't it? For some time, the purple dye was unobtanium. Reminds me of what was it, red dye 9 or red dye 29, something like that? Unavailable for some time. Doesn't only go for dyes. About 1993, Rosewood was nowhere to be found. Available later. Then for some time, Ebony was short supply. Times are critical.
 
You're welcome. The dye industry is crazy, isn't it? For some time, the purple dye was unobtanium. Reminds me of what was it, red dye 9 or red dye 29, something like that? Unavailable for some time. Doesn't only go for dyes. About 1993, Rosewood was nowhere to be found. Available later. Then for some time, Ebony was short supply. Times are critical.
Actually, it was Brazilian Rosewood was impossible to find ever to the exportation restrictions on. When, I was doing repairs and building cues, I never had problem buying the woods, Billy Webb was a close friend of mine and he use to sell me would when it became scarce. The Rosewood I used was per cured from Asia, and the quality was decent. Billy sold both Gabon and highly figured Ebony, I bought like 40 dowels from him , it was fantastic. But, I imagine that these days good wood is becoming very hard to find, especially straight grained maple for shafts.
 
Actually, it was Brazilian Rosewood was impossible to find ever to the exportation restrictions on. When, I was doing repairs and building cues, I never had problem buying the woods, Billy Webb was a close friend of mine and he use to sell me would when it became scarce. The Rosewood I used was per cured from Asia, and the quality was decent. Billy sold both Gabon and highly figured Ebony, I bought like 40 dowels from him , it was fantastic. But, I imagine that these days good wood is becoming very hard to find, especially straight grained maple for shafts.
Yeah, there was a recent time period when Southwest was not doing ebony. And if Southwest wasn't doing it, it was serious. That's over, as I understand Southwest is doing ebony cues again. It shows that both dyes and woods have ways of coming in and out. The smart guys are the ones who buy a lot of whatever from somebody retiring or going out of business. Best example I can think of is Jerry Rauenzahn, who years ago bought tons of ebony from a guy named Katz, I believe. Very old ebony, and a lot of old growth shaft maple. Makes a lot of sense to buy a lot when you can.
 
Yeah, there was a recent time period when Southwest was not doing ebony. And if Southwest wasn't doing it, it was serious. That's over, as I understand Southwest is doing ebony cues again. It shows that both dyes and woods have ways of coming in and out. The smart guys are the ones who buy a lot of whatever from somebody retiring or going out of business. Best example I can think of is Jerry Rauenzahn, who years ago bought tons of ebony from a guy named Katz, I believe. Very old ebony, and a lot of old growth shaft maple. Makes a lot of sense to buy a lot when you can.
That’s what Billy Webb did, the man had tons of wood of every variety. Most of the Ebony and Rosewood comes from Madagascar, it’s was difficult to find African Ebony because of exportation restrictions. I was very lucky, Billy always supplied me with what needed. But, sometimes there use to be some great wood from certain sellers you could purchase on eBay. I use by slabs of maple burl from a seller on eBay, great guy to do business with. But, I certainly agree with you, if a company like Southwest, runs out of wood there must be a serious problem, however that was after my time.
 
It's also missing the purple outer veneer. In all the years that Titlist's were made, the purple dye was available. There was a problem with it about 1990, unavailable. Probably caused cancer. It was brought back though. You can have a cuemaker do Titlist veneer colors today.
Pigments are an interesting adventure to study. Some are very toxic. Some are very rare.

Interestingly as well, purple isn't a real color, it isn't in the spectrum, does not exist in nature. The perception of purple is created in the brain. This is part of why such pigments that produce that color perception were once very rare and very expensive. It was known as the "color of royalty".

The largest pigment archive in the world is the Forbes Pigment Collection at the Harvard Art Museums.

Nerd moment. We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.
 
Pigments are an interesting adventure to study. Some are very toxic. Some are very rare.

Interestingly as well, purple isn't a real color, it isn't in the spectrum, does not exist in nature. The perception of purple is created in the brain. This is part of why such pigments that produce that color perception were once very rare and very expensive. It was known as the "color of royalty".

The largest pigment archive in the world is the Forbes Pigment Collection at the Harvard Art Museums.

Nerd moment. We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.
Woods are the same way, Cocobolo is very toxic. I always wore a mask and long sleeve shirt when turning it or sanding it. Because, it would cause irritation on all exposed skin. Ebony, also caused irritation for some people, but not me, only Cocobolo.
 
Pigments are an interesting adventure to study. Some are very toxic. Some are very rare.

Interestingly as well, purple isn't a real color, it isn't in the spectrum, does not exist in nature. The perception of purple is created in the brain. This is part of why such pigments that produce that color perception were once very rare and very expensive. It was known as the "color of royalty".

The largest pigment archive in the world is the Forbes Pigment Collection at the Harvard Art Museums.

Nerd moment. We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.
Nerd moment continuing. You're right, purple is a mixture. You know something else? Remember the green Brunsco cloth on the old pool tables turning blue over time? Well, Green is a mixture of blue and yellow. My theory was that over time, under the lights, both would fade a bit, and the resulting cloth would look more like blue if it stayed on the table long enough. I always wondered why most cloth was green, but most chalk was blue. I think that was largely the reason, the old, worsted wool cloth turning from green to blue.

Nerd moment paused. Scheduled programming continuing.
 
Nerd moment continuing. You're right, purple is a mixture. You know something else? Remember the green Brunsco cloth on the old pool tables turning blue over time? Well, Green is a mixture of blue and yellow. My theory was that over time, under the lights, both would fade a bit, and the resulting cloth would look more like blue if it stayed on the table long enough. I always wondered why most cloth was green, but most chalk was blue. I think that was largely the reason, the old, worsted wool cloth turning from green to blue.

Nerd moment paused. Scheduled programming continuing.
I agree with you, any billiard cloth will turn over time because of and dirty balls. I used to vacuum and wipe my tables down sometimes 3 times a day. I once used Simonis 860, on my pool tables and 760 on my billiard table. With all the league play and consistent business I was very seldom able to get a years use out the cloth. As, far as, the cloth being green I think it has a lot to do with aiming, but I could be wrong!
 
I agree with you, any billiard cloth will turn over time because of and dirty balls. I used to vacuum and wipe my tables down sometimes 3 times a day. I once used Simonis 860, on my pool tables and 760 on my billiard table. With all the league play and consistent business I was very seldom able to get a years use out the cloth. As, far as, the cloth being green I think it has a lot to do with aiming, but I could be wrong!
Well, cloth is changed in pool rooms much more often today than it used to be. Cloth used to stay on tables several years. Room owners didn't have money to throw away in the 70s. Now, cloth gets changed more often, so the fading change from green to blue may not be seen as much. Also, Simonis, or Championship cloth, most often in pool rooms is different from the all-wool Brunsco, so that may be a factor too.
 
Nerd moment continuing. You're right, purple is a mixture. You know something else? Remember the green Brunsco cloth on the old pool tables turning blue over time? Well, Green is a mixture of blue and yellow. My theory was that over time, under the lights, both would fade a bit, and the resulting cloth would look more like blue if it stayed on the table long enough. I always wondered why most cloth was green, but most chalk was blue. I think that was largely the reason, the old, worsted wool cloth turning from green to blue.

Nerd moment paused. Scheduled programming continuing.
Well, it's not even a mixture. The visible light color spectrum is ROYGBIV. It includes violet. Purple is not included nor it is a shade of any color in the visible light spectrum. You cannot combine any color pigments to get purple. It does not exist.

The perception of purple is a "trick" of the visual cortex. I know, it's hard to wrap your mind around it. There are other ways your visual cortex creates things. That's why when people say "I know it's real, I saw it with my own eyes" or "I will believe it when I see it" I just chuckle. That's why sworn eye-witness testimony is fraught with flaws. It's also something that is leveraged in the clandestine service, as well as in high level interrogation, and has been the subject of research in national defense. Reflect on the mysterious and legendary CIA "mind control experiments", it's much more than people commonly think. It's also the premise behind the Neuralyzer in the Men in Black movies.
 
Well, it's not even a mixture. The visible light color spectrum is ROYGBIV. It includes violet. Purple is not included nor it is a shade of any color in the visible light spectrum. You cannot combine any color pigments to get purple. It does not exist.

The perception of purple is a "trick" of the visual cortex. I know, it's hard to wrap your mind around it. There are other ways your visual cortex creates things. That's why when people say "I know it's real, I saw it with my own eyes" or "I will believe it when I see it" I just chuckle. That's why sworn eye-witness testimony is fraught with flaws. It's also something that is leveraged in the clandestine service, as well as in high level interrogation, and has been the subject of research in national defense. Reflect on the mysterious and legendary CIA "mind control experiments", it's much more than people commonly think. It's also the premise behind the Neuralyzer in the Men in Black movies.
Well, most sources do say that purple is a secondary color, combining the primary colors red and blue. Others say more like combining magenta with cyan and black. But we may be getting into other secondary colors there.

I'm not sure that a color can be created with just a trick. But I will admit that my recliner looks blue-gray in certain light, then gray in other light.

Clandestine services, well yeah, they can make you see certain colors, as well as testicular torsion can.
 
Well, most sources do say that purple is a secondary color, combining the primary colors red and blue. Others say more like combining magenta with cyan and black. But we may be getting into other secondary colors there.

I'm not sure that a color can be created with just a trick. But I will admit that my recliner looks blue-gray in certain light, then gray in other light.

Clandestine services, well yeah, they can make you see certain colors, as well as testicular torsion can.
You can be made to see much more than just colors. I can prove it easily. Not kidding. Right where you sit if you want to try. Your brain can create entire scenes, not just colors. Your brain is doing it right now as you read this and you are unaware of it. Yes, the clandestine services utilize this. Again, I can prove it if you ask.

As for purple not being real. Try searching purple is not a real color.

You will find things like this:

"Purple is not a single, pure spectral color, which means there isn't one specific wavelength of light that our eyes perceive as purple. Instead, it's a non-spectral color, a psychological creation of the brain that occurs when our eyes detect both red and blue light wavelengths simultaneously."

It is a "psychological creation". It does not exist in the physical universe. Seriously. Blend colors as you like, it's not real.
 
You can be made to see much more than just colors. I can prove it easily. Not kidding. Right where you sit if you want to try. Your brain can create entire scenes, not just colors. Your brain is doing it right now as you read this and you are unaware of it. Yes, the clandestine services utilize this. Again, I can prove it if you ask.

As for purple not being real. Try searching purple is not a real color.

You will find things like this:

"Purple is not a single, pure spectral color, which means there isn't one specific wavelength of light that our eyes perceive as purple. Instead, it's a non-spectral color, a psychological creation of the brain that occurs when our eyes detect both red and blue light wavelengths simultaneously."

It is a "psychological creation". It does not exist in the physical universe. Seriously. Blend colors as you like, it's not real.
Well, you're right, my brain creates scenes. But when I just let my brain do it on its own, it goes back to my high school girlfriend, Becky Easyscore.

I'll have to give your search suggest a look, though I still think colors are primary or mixtures. Anyhow, my purple shirt is having second thoughts now.
 
Well, you're right, my brain creates scenes. But when I just let my brain do it on its own, it goes back to my high school girlfriend, Becky Easyscore.

I'll have to give your search suggest a look, though I still think colors are primary or mixtures. Anyhow, my purple shirt is having second thoughts now.
Do search it.
 
Do search it.
Here's what I came up with, a simple search:

Purple is not a single, pure spectral color, which means there isn't one specific wavelength of light that our eyes perceive as purple. Instead, it's a non-spectral color, a psychological creation of the brain that occurs when our eyes detect both red and blue light wavelengths simultaneously. The brain interprets this conflicting input by combining the two extremes of the spectrum into the color we call purple.
 
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