any one no a good way to move a pole???

matthew staton

matthew staton

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I am getting a gold crown 4 nine foot table but i have a pole in my way.It will have to go over three feet to make it clear to shoot on does any one no if this would be ok. There is a steel beam it is attached to I was going to have some one jack it up and move a pole suport over three feet the beam it suports is iron and I think that it would not be to bad because the beam is realy strong .Can any one help me out with this or have maybe a internet link thanks.
 
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I take it this beam is in a basement? I`d be real careful about moving this pole if its load bearing...Meaning if its there for structuial integrity...I would make sure i fully understood why the pole is right where its at before i do anything
 
matthew staton said:
I am getting a gold crown 4 nine foot table but i have a pole in my way.It will have to go over three feet to make it clear to shoot on does any one no if this would be ok. There is a steel beam it is attached to I was going to have some one jack it up and move a pole suport over three feet the beam it suports is iron and I think that it would not be to bad because the beam is realy strong .Can any one help me out with this or have maybe a internet link thanks.
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It's a little more complicated than that. There's a footing poured under that post. Talk to somone who knows (not your buddy who can't wait to shoot on the new Gold Crown)
 
bboc said:
I take it this beam is in a basement? I`d be real careful about moving this pole if its load bearing...Meaning if its there for structuial integrity...I would make sure i fully understood why the pole is right where its at before i do anything
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Of course it's load bearing
 
matthew staton said:
I am getting a gold crown 4 nine foot table but i have a pole in my way.It will have to go over three feet to make it clear to shoot on does any one no if this would be ok. There is a steel beam it is attached to I was going to have some one jack it up and move a pole suport over three feet the beam it suports is iron and I think that it would not be to bad because the beam is realy strong .Can any one help me out with this or have maybe a internet link thanks.
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There is a concret footing under where the pole is sitting now. If the beam is sitting on top of your foundation, it will probably support the weight with a little bow. If you weld a piece of chanel to the existing beam, it will eliminate the slight bow. I don't know what sice I beam the poles support. I would hire an engineer and take his advice. This is what I did after removing a pole. Cost me about $1,000 for his input. I haven't added the chanel yet. I have a very small crack in one wall from the bow. Hasn't moved since 1999. I am going to follow the engineers suggestion soon.
Purdman :cool:
 
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Had this problem in my last basement. I think you'll need to get an engineer in there and size up the situation. If there's a pole holding up a beam, you've got a big load there.

In my case in order to get rid of the pole I had to replace the existing beam with one that was much thicker and bigger. This beam could carry the load all accross the span without having a pole to hold it up as well.

When my friends asked how much the table cost I'd tell them $4,000.00 for the table and $4,200 for the beam, installed.
 
EL'nino said:
It's a little more complicated than that. There's a footing poured under that post. Talk to somone who knows (not your buddy who can't wait to shoot on the new Gold Crown)
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9 out of 10 times there isn't a footing used. Your asking for trouble if you move it. If anything happens, your insurance will be null and void.

My son has the same problem. He consulted with the contractor, and he said there is NO way to move (not even a little!) the pole. and still maintain structural integrity. They are put there for a reason, to hold up your house.

He gave up on the table idea , and made a home theatre out of the room.

Rick S.
 
matthew staton said:
I am getting a gold crown 4 nine foot table but i have a pole in my way.It will have to go over three feet to make it clear to shoot on does any one no if this would be ok. There is a steel beam it is attached to I was going to have some one jack it up and move a pole suport over three feet the beam it suports is iron and I think that it would not be to bad because the beam is realy strong .Can any one help me out with this or have maybe a internet link thanks.
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How big are your balls and hows your insurance company. This is what I did. I got 2 2x12s and I glued and screwed on to each side of the exisiting floor joist. I used a chainsaw to cut the beam and then used a sledge hammer to bust up the footing is was sitting on. My friend went one better and purchased two steel plates and secured it to the existing joist with huge metal bolts that went through both pieces of steel including the existing joist. I measured the height from the floor to the bottom of the joist. I made sure the measurement didnt change. any questions pm me.

It also depends on how long the space between the support poles. i forgot to add, since I refinished my basement myself, I also built a wall to close off the laundry room. I put the wall as close as i could to my table (and under the main joist) and double studded it. There may be may more factors to add to this.
 
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Donald A. Purdy said:
There is a concret footing under where the pole is sitting now. If the beam is sitting on top of your foundation, it will probably support the weight with a little bow. If you weld a piece of chanel to the existing beam, it will eliminate the slight bow. I don't know what sice I beam the poles support. I would hire an engineer and take his advice. This is what I did after removing a pole. Cost me about $1,000 for his input. I haven't added the chanel yet. I have a very small crack in one wall from the bow. Hasn't moved since 1999. I am going to follow the engineers suggestion soon.
Purdman :cool:
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the pole is cemented in like you said there is a steal beam that it holds there is a metel pole every 10 feet if i move the pole over 3 feet i have enough room to shoot. if i move the pole over three feet it will be right dead center of the room.the steel beam that goes acrooss the basement is also supoted by the cemt on both sides and a nother pole 10 feet across.
 
matthew staton said:
I am getting a gold crown 4 nine foot table but i have a pole in my way.It will have to go over three feet to make it clear to shoot on does any one no if this would be ok. There is a steel beam it is attached to I was going to have some one jack it up and move a pole suport over three feet the beam it suports is iron and I think that it would not be to bad because the beam is realy strong .Can any one help me out with this or have maybe a internet link thanks.
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This is just from a home improvement do-it-yourselfer, so don't take it to the bank.

You can probably do this but you really do need an engineer. The whole thing is the maximum span your beam will support. An engineer will figure the load on your beam, and look up the maximum allowable span. Let's say the maximum allowable span is 15' and your beam is centered between 20' load bearing walls or a foundation, it can then be moved over 5' legally.

Chris
 
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matthew staton said:
I am getting a gold crown 4 nine foot table but i have a pole in my way.It will have to go over three feet to make it clear to shoot on does any one no if this would be ok. There is a steel beam it is attached to I was going to have some one jack it up and move a pole suport over three feet the beam it suports is iron and I think that it would not be to bad because the beam is realy strong .Can any one help me out with this or have maybe a internet link thanks.
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I usually just shake my hips really hard.
 
T-dog said:
How big are your balls and hows your insurance company. This is what I did. I got 2 2x12s and I glued and screwed on to each side of the exisiting floor joist. I used a chainsaw to cut the beam and then used a sledge hammer to bust up the footing is was sitting on. My friend went one better and purchased two steel plates and secured it to the existing joist with huge metal bolts that went through both pieces of steel including the existing joist. I measured the height from the floor to the bottom of the joist. I made sure the measurement didnt change. any questions pm me.
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And that was just to build his break cue!
 
Get a structural engineer and take his advice if the pole is bothering you. I have a pole too but it really doesn't come into play that much.
 
You can't get too cute with these beams. If you throw together a homemade solution (like boxing in the existing beam) it has to pass an inspection, eventually (like if/when you sell your house). If it doesn't pass then you've got a problem. Also, your insurance company may have a problem with a Harry Homeowner approach to that pole problem. If they have that problem after you submit a claim you will probably be out of luck.
 
I say forget about all this consulting with an engineer stuff...that will only cost you money. I say set up some cameras in the basement, move the pole...hell, make the basement bigger by taking it ALL the way out.... set up your table and run balls, use it as a storage surface...you know what ever you want. KEEP the cameras rolling though. Eventually your whole freakin' house will cave in...stick on a hard had and some work gloves and dig thru the rumble to get the cameras...then send them in the America's Biggest Idots...maybe you'll win the 10 K prize. :D I would advise you frist to move your family from this home and into another. It is easily affordable, as you can save a BUNCH of money by switching to Geico. :rolleyes:
 
pawnmon said:
Also, your insurance company may have a problem with a Harry Homeowner approach to that pole problem. QUOTE]

I'm not harry I shave every third or fourth day. (or sixth)
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I grew up on a snooker table and there was a wet bar on the left side at the headstring end of the table, it interferred with about 2 feet on each side of that corner. We had a short cue for those shots but it actually became part of the game, we called it Bar Hooked and used it in our strategy. It really made that corner of the table a dead zone when you had to come back the other way. It was a beautiful table and we got used to it. Something to think about and talk about your home field advantage!
 
How to remove a basement pole

I was able to remove the pole by adding another support beam. The existing poles in my basement were about 9' apart. The existing beam was a 5" x 8' (18) meaning it weighed 18 lb./foot. The new beam was 5" x 8" (21), it deflected much less than the original. I used a jack to slowly raise the new beam into place. The new beam is about 18' long and was supported at each end with poles that shared the footer with existing poles. I did not break through the slab and set the new poles directly on the existing footer. They are sitting right on the slab. I did drill and pin them in place, but don't believe that this is really necessary. Before starting any work I measured and cut a 2 x 4 to the exact height between the floor and the existing beam, in the spot where the pole was to be removed. My intention was to make sure that the existing beam did not change location (vertically) when the job was completed. With the new beam in place and the new adjustable poles at each end I slowly cut the middle pole and as the old beam started to slowly drop I would raise the new beam to compensate. Obviously I had a couple guys helping me with this part. One thing that I anticipated was that the new beam would bow due to the increased length between supports. I placed wooden shims (pieces of shingle) between the beam and the floor joists, 1/2" shims in the middle and less thick as they got closer to the support poles.
I got the height of the existing beam within 1/8" of its original location. I was very hesitant to try this put refused to put a pool table in a location that had any obstructions. I had seen this modification done one other time with the same result and that helped my confidence. I had recently remodeled the kitchen, which is right above where the pole was removed. There are no cracks in tile or walls. Additionally, I live in upstate NY and we get our fair share of snow in the winter. The pitch on my roof is fairly flat and snow does accumulate up there. After seven winters there has been no settling or shifting. IMO, the support is probably stronger now than before. When I was all done I boxed in both of the poles and one of them makes a little wall jutting out into the room. This made a little alcove for a sitting area on one side and a place for the dartboard on the other. The hardest part of the entire job was getting the beam through the basement window and into place.

Here's a link to some photos of the completed room: http://www.webshots.com/search?new=1&source=homesearch&query=paul+mon+pool+room


Paul Mon
 
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matthew staton said:
the pole is cemented in like you said there is a steal beam that it holds there is a metel pole every 10 feet if i move the pole over 3 feet i have enough room to shoot. if i move the pole over three feet it will be right dead center of the room.the steel beam that goes acrooss the basement is also supoted by the cemt on both sides and a nother pole 10 feet across.
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You are getting advise from some people who don't have a clue, some who have done it. Like I said, I have done it and consulted an engineer. The only problem he had with it was the slight bow. He told me exactly what to do to take care of it. That is where the chanel came in to play. I also suggested that you consult an engineer to avoid all the problems put forth by the naysayers.
Purdman
It Can Be Done!!!!!
 
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