Any reviews on the new diamond rails??
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I was at the DCC, and played on several tables. I've never liked Diamond rails before, but I thought these rails played well. I was starting to like the rails. I was under the impression that all the tables at this DCC were the new rails. Then I remembered about the "red" and "blue" Diamond label. The blue label is the new rails, the red is the old. So I went around almost all the tables, and roughly there were about 10 blue tables in the whole dcc, and 50 red tables. Then I checked all the tables I played my matches on, and they were all red tables. The TAR table and the Accustats table were blue.
I hit a few balls on a blue table, and thought it was about the same as the red.
I don't know what to think... I liked both the red and blue tables, but I never liked Diamond rails before, when I played on them in my home city.
I hit a few balls on a blue table, and thought it was about the same as the red.
I don't know what to think... I liked both the red and blue tables, but I never liked Diamond rails before, when I played on them in my home city.
I remember reading in a previous RKC post that Diamond was swapping out the old rail system for the new on many of the red logo tables they had left.
I highly doubt that Diamond would supply equipment that would play differently from table to table and match to match. Especially at a tournament like the DCC.
I don't know... all I know is there were about 10 blue tables, and 50 red tables. And from what I read online, red = old rails, and blue = new rails.
That mostly applies to new production rails, but Diamond still had plenty of red lable rails in stock that hadn't been sent through the new blades in the rail moulder at the time of the switch, so...as I said before....some of the new rails have red logos still, but the blue logos do represent the new production line of Diamond rails. Not to mention that Diamond has also remoulded quite a few of the post production rails to the new design as well.
Glen
Hey Glen, I have played on the new rails and the difference I felt was when I ran my fingers along the underside of the rail next to the table top there seemed to be on overlap of the rubber against the wood. Is the new rail cut slightly larger on the back side than the old rail? There was a definite and consistent overlap and it was easy to feel it. It's not a lot maybe about 1/16 of an inch give or take..
Does this mean that some of the "consumer" tables with the red diamond also have the new rails? If so, is there any way to tell the difference between the new and old red label tables? I ask because I ordered my 7' Pro-Am (which has the Red logo) in early August and had it delivered in in early Oct. I'm a little foggy on the exact delivery date, but I do remember reading posts that the "blue label" tables were being produced before mine was delivered.
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I was at the DCC and played on one blue diamond table and several red diamonds and I'm not sure I could tell the difference.
One thing about Diamond rails is that you have to be pretty unlucky to play position and up dead froze on the rail, because if you come into a rail with even the tiniest bit of speed you are going to bounce off. To say the least -- they are lively, IMO.
Lou Figueroa
I played on both couldn't tell the difference. Who makes the new diamond rails? When i put new rails on my table should i use the new rails or the artemis?
New rails? Diamond didn't change the cushions they use, they just modified the sub-rail design so that the Artemis cushions played better...that's all. The red and blue logo tables played the same....because they were ALL the same playing tables. There's way to much confusion going on about this red and blue logo thing. Look, it's real simple, if you received a Diamond table before May of last year...then you don't have the new rail design...unless Diamond or someone changed them for you...in which case...you'd know it. If you recieved your Diamond table after May of last year, chances are you have the new redesigned rails....or, have had the rails redesigned...in which case....you'd know it. YES...the blue logo is the new logo on all Diamond tables...yes, the blue logo means you're playing on the new designed rails. RED logo's don't mean you're playing on the previous designed rails....as there were lots of Diamond tables built with the red logo's....before Diamond switched the color of the logo's. The bottom line is....if you're happy with the way your Diamond plays....then....what's the problem?...If you're not happy, then there's a fix....no matter when you bought the Diamond table.
Glen
Oh ok Glenn, thanks.
Hey Glen, I have played on the new rails and the difference I felt was when I ran my fingers along the underside of the rail next to the table top there seemed to be on overlap of the rubber against the wood. Is the new rail cut slightly larger on the back side than the old rail? There was a definite and consistent overlap and it was easy to feel it. It's not a lot maybe about 1/16 of an inch give or take..
Forgive me Glen, I'm old & confused. I asked the question above because myself and a friend both noticed this difference between the 'new & old' rail/cushion setup. Is it accurate to say that one could differentiate between new & old this way?? I am not trying to stir the pot just wondering how someone could tell the difference of one or the other besides knowing when the rails/cushions were installed..
The most accurate way of telling the difference between the old rails vs new, is to feel the subrail between the feather strip and the begining of the cushions. If the wood there is flat, and the cloth is actually higher than the finish of the dymondwood, then they haven't been changed. If the wood there feels like it's been stepped down about 1/16" of an inch, or feels like it has a downward slant to it...towards the cushions, then it's the new sub-rail design.
Thanks Glen!
Your welcome:wink:
Diamond Red/Blue Label rail system...
Also, as Glenn would tell ya... If you have the red label or old rails, then all you need to do is order the new rails if you like to switch them out. The entire rail system on a diamond consists of the diamond wood rails & the artemis rubber all as 1 unit. I would think they'd ship the rails with cloth on them unless you asked them not to. So, it wouldn't take hardly more than 10 minutes to replace them after you've zipped off all the rail bolts and then simply bolted on the new ones (done). I believe he said the new system would be around $1500 for a new 9' Pro-Am table at one point, but that could have changed. Either way... if balls aren't hopping off your rails at the speed or light and you like the way it banks, then there's no reason to order the new ones.
When it comes to table mechanics(especially Diamond), there is no one better than Glen (Real King Cobra).
- KJ
Also, as Glenn would tell ya... If you have the red label or old rails, then all you need to do is order the new rails if you like to switch them out. The entire rail system on a diamond consists of the diamond wood rails & the artemis rubber all as 1 unit. I would think they'd ship the rails with cloth on them unless you asked them not to. So, it wouldn't take hardly more than 10 minutes to replace them after you've zipped off all the rail bolts and then simply bolted on the new ones (done). I believe he said the new system would be around $1500 for a new 9' Pro-Am table at one point, but that could have changed. Either way... if balls aren't hopping off your rails at the speed or light and you like the way it banks, then there's no reason to order the new ones.
When it comes to table mechanics(especially Diamond), there is no one better than Glen (Real King Cobra).
- KJ