Any Thomas case experts out there?

nick serdula said:
I told you that he wanted that case. He PMed me. Now you have sold something I begged you to return? Beware? Of what. If you don't know, you need to ask someone.
I have been nothing but nice. BP I will send you the shipping you saved me if you like.
Nick :)
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No worries Nick. :) Thanks for letting Richard know I was interested in the case. It's a win situation for everyone. I've been looking for a nice 2x4 case for a while anyway.

-BP
 
go ahead and slam me back but its all about service

ONTHEBREAK said:
Case has been sold pending payment to BP3000 as a non-leather case. I appreciate BP3000 keeping me from having to deal with Nick's conditional return policy... Nick, good luck to you and buyer beware...

Richard
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Thanks for speaking up about one of the members who constantly is smoozing his fellow azers in there little click here. I cant believe he wanted you to spend more money to ship it back to him but refuse to refund the full amount paid...you both would have been out shipping but his way only you would have lost which is totally unacceptable. Sure,it all worked out but it still showed what to expect when dealing with nick.I find it even more humerous that none of his click chimed in to suport him,guess it was "I aint touching that with a 10 foot pole"

LOL
 
I'm not on either side.. Just worthless thoughts.

My worthless thoughts on the deal..

Nick sold the case as leather.. If it's not leather the buyer should have the option to return the item.

If Bogie sold the case to Nick as leather and it's not then Bogie needs to make it right with Nick if he feels he was done wrong. Most likely the case was purchased from Bogie a good while ago and would probably cause a problem if Nick wanted a refund or whatever now.

Nick should have made sure it was leather when he purchased.

Richard, When ever I have purchased something on here or someone purchased something from me and a return was wanted either way the item is always sent back to the seller first before the refund is issued. I've never known it to be any other way.

About the shipping... In my opinion if Nick didn't say when all the details were being worked out that if you return the case a refund will be issued minus all shipping costs then it's only right to split the shipping.

I understand Nick didn't want to be out anything on shipping but if he didn't say in the start refunds will be minus all shipping costs that little deal was a bit off.

You always need to state in the beginning depending on the shipping costs if it's returned then it will be (fill in the blank) to avoid problems.

Not taking either sides here.. It just goes to show how two good people to deal with could look different to others at any point.

I had an issue about 6 months ago maybe longer on a cue I was to purchase. The man agreed to send the cue to me to inspect before I paid as if it wasn't straight I would just send the cue back.

The cue came in on a late friday afternoon when it was supposed to be here Thursday. I had plans that Friday and couldn't make it to the pool room to roll the cue until Sunday. The seller got upset that I couldn't roll the cue until Sunday and either send him the cue back or a money order for the cue on Monday and just suggested I send the cue back on Monday. It was a goofy mess.

Richard at one point got involved in the thread I started and stated he would never deal with me. Two months later he purchased a Schon shaft from me and realized he was wrong about what he said on that particular deal. Needless to say I have had several items sent to me to inspect before payment since then and everyone has been happy.

My point was both of these guys, Richard & Nick, Are both good guys to deal with from my understanding over time and people shouldn't jump to say someones a bad guy after one thing happens.

Now if it happens more than once feel free to fire away.. :D
 
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Please read all above that was said before you maybe want to grind me over something.

I'm not on either side.. Just saying what I saw wrong with the ending..

I stated it was wrong of Nick to ask to refund minus full shipping amount if he didn't state that in the start before the case was purchased.

Same difference on the return. I think it was wrong to ask for the money back before sending the item back.

I don't see what was wrong in sending to a 3rd party if neither trusted each other.

In the end it was just a deal gone bad.
 
Poolhawk said:
Sure,it all worked out but it still showed what to expect when dealing with nick.I find it even more humerous that none of his click chimed in to suport him,guess it was "I aint touching that with a 10 foot pole"

LOL
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I'm not one of "Nick's click", but I will publicly stand up for him.

Sometimes a particular deal doesn't go right and this sounds like one of them. I might have done things a little differently in his shoes, but that sure doesn't mean that Nick has bad character.

He has always been very helpful and the deals I've done with him have been very solid. He's helped me sell a high dollar cue that he didn't have any interest in last year. He recently sent me a bumper that I needed desperately to finish a cue I was having made at no charge.

I truly don't believe there was an intent to defraud Richard. Richard had suspicions that the case wasn't leather, but he even brought it to this forum for opinions. I have a Gina that has a buttcap that looks just like ivory. It was a subject of discussion on this forum awhile back. Some truly cue savvy people thought it was indeed ivory. Come to find out, Ernie has some of the best ivory substitute around. Mistakes can be made and sometimes tempers flair...that simple. I think both of the parties here are stand up guys that just had a bad situation. I'm glad to see it was resolved!

Steve
 
Not picking on Nick

Its how the seller handles the imperfect transaction that can generate new customers.
 
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I couldn't agree more if this was Nick's "normal way" of doing business. I think this is an isolated incident, though, at least in my experience...

Steve
 
Hay Josh

I can't believe anyone would give a nice guy like you any grief Josh. I told this guy to send the case back. He wouldn't do it. Called me a theif and told me my check was unacceptable. Then he said something about a postal money order and how he was going tio press charges.
I told him to call my Postmaster and give him my phone number.
That is a fine how do you do. How is it that everyone spending 2k and more are happy and he is not. Every time I sell anything cheap all I get is greif. Every time I sell anything over $1500.00 every one is happy.
I think the answer is obvious.
Richard was not happy after a week. So unhappy he told me I was alot of bad things. He's nuts. I gave him a very nice case. I wanted it back. Now he is on his own.
I have talked with other Azers that say Richard never does what he says. That is one reason I told him to send the case and I would refund his money when I had the case. He was speachless because he knew I had made a statement he could not argue with. "Why won't you send me my money when I send the case?",he said. I told him because he did not do what he says he will and then there was silence.
I do what I say Mr. Richard. I offered you a refund.
When you do not stand behind your word it is hard to fade. And you don't.
I have given away more $ and cases and cues in the last year than most people make in a month. I don't beat people out if their hard earned $$.
Nick :)
 
Wtf?

Nick... why do you keep trying to make yourself look good here? Lets look at the facts here first off it hasn't been a week. Second you lied to me about the case. Third you offered a conditional refund minus all shipping cost only upon arrival of the case back to you. Third I am glad you give away cues and cases... does that make you better than any of us who can't do this? I know it doesn't make you less of a liar... I offered to send the case to Ron Thomas and have him verify that it wasn't Leather like you said it is. You would have no part of a third party entering into this... you know why because you are a liar who got caught in a scam... now you keep beating this dead horse trying to save your reputation and it's not working. As far as me saying you are bad things... yes I did I called you the Liar that you are. And why is it I should trust you to send me the money after the case arrives? I already trusted you one time and you see where that got me. I hear about Bogey selling you this case and that it is a $425 leather case... why hasn't Bogey chimed in here? As far as standing behind my word... my word is gold. I want you to find anybody other than yourself on here and have them tell the world how I wronged them. I have received several pm's stating that you were in the wrong. I am sure some of them from people you consider friends here. I think you are a delusional old man who shouldn't wonder too far from his Alzheimer medicine. Now unless you wanna provide facts here I suggest you shut up and stop digging the hole that you are in deeper.

P.S.
Nick if you are so honest why is it you went back and edited all your posts?
 
HAY ....is for horses

nick serdula said:
I can't believe anyone would give a nice guy like you any grief Josh. I told this guy to send the case back. He wouldn't do it. Called me a theif and told me my check was unacceptable. Then he said something about a postal money order and how he was going tio press charges.
I told him to call my Postmaster and give him my phone number.
That is a fine how do you do. How is it that everyone spending 2k and more are happy and he is not. Every time I sell anything cheap all I get is greif. Every time I sell anything over $1500.00 every one is happy.
I think the answer is obvious.
Richard was not happy after a week. So unhappy he told me I was alot of bad things. He's nuts. I gave him a very nice case. I wanted it back. Now he is on his own.
I have talked with other Azers that say Richard never does what he says. That is one reason I told him to send the case and I would refund his money when I had the case. He was speachless because he knew I had made a statement he could not argue with. "Why won't you send me my money when I send the case?",he said. I told him because he did not do what he says he will and then there was silence.
I do what I say Mr. Richard. I offered you a refund.
When you do not stand behind your word it is hard to fade. And you don't.
I have given away more $ and cases and cues in the last year than most people make in a month. I don't beat people out if their hard earned $$.
Nick :)
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sometimes it is hard to tell vinyl from all these goofy azz embossed leather hides.
 
Final

Nick... I am done playing your he said, she said games and I wish you well in all you do. We will just leave it up to everybody here to draw there own conclusions.

Richard
 
i couldnt read this thread but is it over $25? I know times are tough but man this is petty. hope it works out

you can check if its leather or vinly easy heat up a pin or end of a paperclip and touch it somewhere where a little tiny mark wont matter and smell the smoke, leather has one smell vynle has a different smell. it aint hard to do,
 
This entire situation...is beyond ridiculous. I can't imagine there's even an issue here when there are clear remedies at both party's disposal. I'm sure both of you gentlemen have better things to do with your time than to feel the need to monitor this thread. I know no one likes having their character called into question but really...sticks 'n stones, guys.
 
You can't imagine

Telling the man to send the case back and him refusing. That is what he did. Then he sells it. He complains that I won't take a case back. I post send it back. He threatens to press charges and tells me I am a theif. And refuses to send a case back.
What would you do? I told him send it back and he gets madder and madder.
I never said how his proirity payment took a week to get here. It didn't bother me at all. Everything about this man and his dealings here with me stinks.
How dare me tell him on the phone to send the case back.
He told me that he wanted to send it to Ron Thomas to have the case verified as being leather. He told me how I PMed the case was ostrich but I told him it was a print on the phone. He told me how he had filled out the money order as ostrich case and I was a fraud. I offered the shipping to the man who is getting the case. He won't have it and is happy.
This thread is a joke. But I don't think the joke is on me.
I may never sell another cue or at least anything under 4 figures again. That is how many collectors that have read this thread see it too.
No more selling for me. That is to pool bumbs at least.
What I have sold in the past was never ment for sale as profit. I make nothing here. But this man has broke me from sucking eggs.
I may not buy or sell anything on this forum again. I don't need the money or aggrivation. I am a honest man and this low rent B.S. is not worth my time.
Nick :)
 
onthebreak listed the case for sale yesterday at 11:46
Posted case sold at 12:09
What I don't understand is whats all this pissing and moaning about ? The case sold in under 20 min's of listing it .
Maybe the deal you got on the case was more than fair what ever it was made of ..
Hell I've been fooled by some high grade vinyls myself !

I know dragging each other through the mud is counter productive .
Lets move on !!! ;)
Bill
 
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I may never sell another cue or at least anything under 4 figures again. That is how many collectors that have read this thread see it too.
No more selling for me. That is to pool bumbs at least.
What I have sold in the past was never ment for sale as profit. I make nothing here. But this man has broke me from sucking eggs.
I may not buy or sell anything on this forum again. I don't need the money or aggrivation. I am a honest man and this low rent B.S. is not worth my time.
Nick :)

You do realize that you just called a lot of people bums just because they can't spend at least $1000 on a cue. While I believe that it is your right to do so, you shouldn't put that out in the open for all us so called bums to read. I for one have taken offense to this comment and I'm sure that I won't be the only one to do so...
 
Ron Thomas Experts, why not Ron, 337-254-8494

or Tate is is a Case Collecting guru.

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