any tips for english and draw back?

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torgy2

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i am new to this website and forum but i have been playin pool for about 2 years now and i think iam decent for how long i have been playing. but i have played in a couple leagues and have done fairly well. but im trying to have more control over the cue ball and use a lot more english to set me up for my next shot but when i try to use english i either miss the shot or hit it to hard with to much spin and the cue ball doesnt do what i want it to do. and for the draw back i have problems with. i cant seem to hit it right where it comes back. i have watched other players at the local pool hall and some of them can draw the ball back the length of the table. and for me i can barely come back a diamond sometimes. so i was jus wondering if any one out there has a couple tips for english and draw back? thanks a lot
 
I am no instructor, but can tell you, if you learn pattern play, this will be much more useful than english. By pattern play I mean, seeing the natual angle to get shape on your next shot. Before shooting your next shot, look at the table layout and ask yourself, if I had ball in hand, where does the Cue Ball have to be in order to simplify getting shape.
 
Good advice. You have to know what the cue ball wants to do, before you can start telling it what you want it to do.

That being said, most of my students that struggle with draw have problems with their stroke. Once we get them the proper consistent repeatable stroke, the draw comes much more easily.

One more note. Don't be all that impressed when someone can draw the cue the length of the table. Be impressed when they need to draw it 18 inches, and can draw it 18 inches. I've watched many players play a super draw shot, only to have the cue ball end up on the wrong end of the table.

Make sure your stroke is right before you start in on anything else. You have to learn the fundamentals first, and they have to be right. Until you have that, nothing else in your game is going to work.


Steve
 
I'm not an instructor...but you sound like a case in point of someone who would benefit HUGE from a lesson or two to get you started. Your problem is stroke, could be one of several things you're doing/not doing. The most common problem is elevating your cue too much and/or not accelerating your stroke through the shot (you could be actually slowing down, but you wouldn't think so until someone who knows watches you). A nice, level stroke through the cue ball, accelerating as it contacts and don't kill it; a little bit goes a long way. Shooting it too hard can actually work against you drawing it. Let your cue do more of the work. And try and find an instructor to show you in person what you're doing wrong...the room owner should be able to hook you up. By the way, don't fall in love with draw--we all do when we start out, 'cause it looks cool. Some of the toughest guys I've run into out there play mostly with center ball and a little follow. Draw is pretty, but it's amazing how many guys do it all the time, and usually draw the cue ball right out of line. Draw tends to be a Banger's preferred crutch; better to figure out how to negotiate through traffic than constantly trying to muscle the ball everywhere. You'll run a lot more racks that way.
 
Thanks everyone who has replied i appreciate it. im going to go to my local pool hall tonight and practice and try to keep in my mind some of the stuff that you guys have said and from what i have read in other threads. if you guys or any one else wanna add something or might have some other ideas wut i might be doin wrong feel free to post cuz every thing helps and i know its not guna get fixed in one night.

thanks again
Torgy
 
Where are you located? Maybe we can recommend someone who can help/

Steve
 
i am located a couple hours away from fargo north dakota. i know they have a really nice pool hall that is pretty new and have instructors there but i dont have a whole lot of extra money to throw around right now but i am hoping by the end of july i will be able to afford a lesson or 2 from them...but for now i am guna have to try n read everything i can and learn that way and just talk to people at my local pool hall..if any one has ne other tips please post every little bit helps
thanks everyone
 
torgy2 said:
i am located a couple hours away from fargo north dakota. i know they have a really nice pool hall that is pretty new and have instructors there but i dont have a whole lot of extra money to throw around right now but i am hoping by the end of july i will be able to afford a lesson or 2 from them...but for now i am guna have to try n read everything i can and learn that way and just talk to people at my local pool hall..if any one has ne other tips please post every little bit helps
thanks everyone
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You just hit the jackpot. RandyG is doing a 3 day class in Fargo at the end of August. You need to contact him and reserve your spot. It will be the best investment you ever made in your game.

He just put up his schedule a couple of weeks ago in another thread on here.

http://mysite.verizon.net/resvz8nt/

Steve
 
torgy2 said:
i am located a couple hours away from fargo north dakota. i know they have a really nice pool hall that is pretty new and have instructors there but i dont have a whole lot of extra money to throw around right now but i am hoping by the end of july i will be able to afford a lesson or 2 from them...but for now i am guna have to try n read everything i can and learn that way and just talk to people at my local pool hall..if any one has ne other tips please post every little bit helps
thanks everyone
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What an ideal situation for you.

Scott & I will be in Fargo on Aug. 26-27-28.

Call me for more info....214 908-2908

Thanks,
randyg
 
Aim low and stroke through the ball to get backs. Or buy a high performance shaft like an ob1 and hope it solves all your problems:wink:
 
Make sure you have a decent tip. Test how low you strike the cueball without miscuing. Hit the cloth after the ball on your follow through.
 
To draw aim low on the cue ball and keep your stick as level as possible. give a good medium strength hit and follow through. Remember the ball will only draw with a good solid follow through.
 
RyanC_9-ball said:
To draw aim low on the cue ball and keep your stick as level as possible. give a good medium strength hit and follow through. Remember the ball will only draw with a good solid follow through.
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How far is that "follow through"????
randyg
 
level cue as possible and smooth acceleration THROUGH the CB contacting below the horizontal plane of the CB.


tho the biggest culprit to not attaining the draw is the smooth acceleration factor, deceleration of stroke causes a player to use more power initially so as to make up for the deceleration of the stroke which many refer to as BUNTING (IE: NOT FINISHING) the increase of initial power also causes deficiencies in accuracy of HIT.............so the smoother the ACCELERATION is the more accurate your tip placement can be. Its a win win situation, if you decelerate its a lose lose situation.

-Grey Ghost-
 
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greyghost said:
level cue as possible and smooth acceleration THROUGH the CB contacting below the horizontal plane of the CB.


tho the biggest culprit to not attaining the draw is the smooth acceleration factor, deceleration of stroke causes a player to use more power initially so as to make up for the deceleration of the stroke which many refer to as BUNTING (IE: NOT FINISHING) the increase of initial power also causes deficiencies in accuracy of HIT.............so the smoother the ACCELERATION is the more accurate your tip placement can be. Its a win win situation, if you decelerate its a lose lose situation.

-Grey Ghost-
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That is as good a description as I've heard. And I've been struggling to learn to draw consistently, so I've been reading and asking a lot. Thanks.
 
Stroke drills

torgy2 said:
Thanks everyone who has replied i appreciate it. im going to go to my local pool hall tonight and practice and try to keep in my mind some of the stuff that you guys have said and from what i have read in other threads. if you guys or any one else wanna add something or might have some other ideas wut i might be doin wrong feel free to post cuz every thing helps and i know its not guna get fixed in one night.

thanks again
Torgy
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Line up short perfect straight ins. Shoot a stop shot, cue should stay straight and take same place as object ball was at. If cue moves left or right , you are not stroking well. Lengthen shot as you excell. Move on to draw shots. They should come straight back, if not then stroke is broke. Now use follow. Cue should follow OB into pocket. Excellent way to begin any practice session. As a general rule try bringing cue to center of table for the most options. Always play the bounce off the rail and always grab angle. Angles will take you places without much English. Play all games especially one pocket. Play with confidence. Be nice, have fun and tip your waitress!
 
RyanC_9-ball...While your first advice is good, the length of followthrough has nothing to do with whether or not, or how far the CB will draw back. The shot is ended at contact with the CB. We finish our stroke to allow the weight of the cue and timing to create the speed of the stroke. When you use the cuestick, instead of muscle, you get much more action on the CB, with a LOT less effort.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

RyanC_9-ball said:
Remember the ball will only draw with a good solid follow through.
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