Anyone seen the video clips on Kevin Trudeau's Web site about his book?

[christopheradam]

Since so much negative has been posted about Kevin's past on this forum, has anyone checked out the video clips on his web site:
http://www.kevinfightsback.com/
That were taken from CNN, Today show, good morning america? I thought it was good to hear him being asked personally about some of the issues such as his past and his new book, Natural Cures.

 

[rackmsuckr]

That's cool, thanks! On the CNN interview, they are stressing that he is a convicted felon, not a doctor, author or even a scientist, yet his book is the #2 best seller! He is doing it by exposure on late night TV - it is the infomercial with the most air time.

Now liken that to what he is doing in pool - people are stressing the same things - convicted felon, not a 'player', yet he intends to surround the masses with exposure to pool. Great strategy, and a proven one. Can't wait to see what's ahead.

Btw, on The Today Show, it shows that even though the FTC has gone after him (and he is the only one they have tried to completely ban doing infomercials), Kevin has had the charges dropped every time. The FTC has had to sign a statement that there is no wrongdoing on his part, yet no one is making that public. The judge said the FTC lied, and misled the public.

 

[Str8PoolMan]

There's one born every minute...

Since so much negative has been posted about Kevin's past on this forum, has anyone checked out the video clips on his web site:
http://www.kevinfightsback.com/
That were taken from CNN, Today show, good morning america? I thought it was good to hear him being asked personally about some of the issues such as his past and his new book, Natural Cures.

It's no wonder hustlers can still make a living off pool players. We're such suckers, we'll believe anything anyone says if we think there is a few dollars in it for us.

 

[Gabber]

That's cool, thanks! On the CNN interview, they are stressing that he is a convicted felon, not a doctor, author or even a scientist, yet his book is the #2 best seller! He is doing it by exposure on late night TV - it is the infomercial with the most air time.

Now liken that to what he is doing in pool - people are stressing the same things - convicted felon, not a 'player', yet he intends to surround the masses with exposure to pool. Great strategy, and a proven one. Can't wait to see what's ahead.

Btw, on The Today Show, it shows that even though the FTC has gone after him (and he is the only one they have tried to completely ban doing infomercials), Kevin has had the charges dropped every time. The FTC has had to sign a statement that there is no wrongdoing on his part, yet no one is making that public. The judge said the FTC lied, and misled the public.

Imagine your are playing 8ball and you break and sink a ball. Mike Segal steps up and says you should play it this way. Bernie F steps up and says you should play it this way- who do you believe?

KT has NO medical training, he is a quack and a very good conman, thats al.

G

 

[Poolhalljunkie]

It was interesting to watch him avoid answering questions about the negative letters, also the money issue we know where its going now.

 

[rackmsuckr]

Imagine your are playing 8ball and you break and sink a ball. Mike Segal steps up and says you should play it this way. Bernie F steps up and says you should play it this way- who do you believe?

KT has NO medical training, he is a quack and a very good conman, thats al.

G

Being in the medical industry for over 33 years, I have seen a lot! I saw a doctor come panicking out of a room and telling us to get a doctor, and we said, "Aren't you one?" The patient died needlessly and it was covered up to her family.

Doctors are taught one thing - to care for disease with medication and surgery - not how to prevent disease. While I don't agree with everything he says in the book, I do know there is a lot to it - we do live in a very toxic world.

Doctors are not gods. It always amazes me the amount of faith patients put into their doctors! We would get patients for a test and we would ask them why there were there. Their response was, "Because my doctor ordered it!" As consumers, we have to take our own healthcare into our own hands.

FWIW, I have listened to Bernie and did try an open bridge for some shots and by golly, I think I have had an improvement! So discount everything about KT at a fell swoop, but I tend to pick and choose what I credit and discredit and have my own opinions on the healthcare industry, and about pool for that matter. He also quotes sources for every 'cure' he puts in his book which are backed by research and tests. And I can always pick up a nugget of wisdom from everyone, even from you. <smile>

 

[macguy]

Since so much negative has been posted about Kevin's past on this forum, has anyone checked out the video clips on his web site:
http://www.kevinfightsback.com/
That were taken from CNN, Today show, good morning america? I thought it was good to hear him being asked personally about some of the issues such as his past and his new book, Natural Cures.

I haven't seen them but they must be pretty carefully edited for him to post them on his site. He came off awfully bad in the actual interviews, almost laughable. His whole premise seems to be based on the old theory of "The big lie". If you say something enough someone will believe you, and even repeat the lie as fact. In his case he doesn't need to fool very many to make big money. People like Reverend Farrakhan have been doing it for years and millions follow him. It is a simple and effective method for con men, even smart people can be taken in. I think the pool thing is probably comprised mostly of half truths at best, just as everything else he does has been. I hope it works out but I can't help but believe we will all look back on it with a grin saying "How could we have believed all that crap". I remember when they started the Florida lottery they were actually buying air time and putting on financial advisors explaining to people how they should handle the millions they were going to win. When you start talking money it doesn't take much to whip people, even smart people, into a frenzy, there is a very strong urge to want to believe. At this point though, we all have to just watch and see how it all plays out.

 

[Colin Colenso]

KT has NO medical training, he is a quack and a very good conman, thats al.

G

The term Quack comes from Quack-silver, a german term for mercury I believe. These quacks actually played a large role in founding the corrupt and dangerous medical system we have today.

Here's an article of some of this history.
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The AMA Will Kill You
by Bob Wallace

Last year JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Association) admitted that doctors are the third leading cause of death in the U.S. Personally, I think the statistics are on the low side. I wouldn't be surprised if they're the leading cause (remember that old saying, "doctors bury their mistakes." And those mistakes often don't make it into the records. I've seen it.)

I blame this sad state of affairs on the fact the AMA is an arrogant government-backed guild dedicated to protecting doctors' incomes, status and professional and political power at the expense of peoples' health and lives. It doesn't get rid of bad doctors and attempts to prevent competition. Without competition, the status quo becomes frozen. This means protecting the status quo becomes more important than protecting people (years ago doctors use to make house calls. Guess what happened to that?) Protecting the status quo is one of those bad laws of human nature.

There are several rules I live my life by. One of them is "The State is always wrong." Because of this, if I had my way, I would close down the AMA, the ADA and the ABA in the next nano-second. All exist to protect its members at the expense of the public (but, of course, each claims it's protecting the public. They probably believe this is true. Which leads me to another rule I have: "People are fallen, self-deceptive creatures.")

A third rule I have is, "Materialism is a sham." When I say "materialism" I mean philosophical or scientific materialism, which is the belief mattter is ultimately all there is, and life, consciousness and self-consciousness are just by-products of matter. Most doctors operate under this assumption, even if they don't know it. That's why they consistently attempt to treat the "matter" of the body. Depression? Prozac or its clones. Anxiety? Buspar or Xanax. Whatever disease a person has, there is a drug (or drugs) to suppress the symptoms. What they all have is common is the attempt to treat the body alone. Since materialism is false, this is why (as the article above shows) that most people die from the drugs doctors prescribe.

For hundreds of years there has been a controversy in medicine between what have been called the "mechanists" (who are the materialists) and the "vitalists" (who think there is a "vital force" along with matter). This debate still goes on today, although you don't hear much about it.

Test of article is here.

 

[Colin Colenso]

I haven't seen them but they must be pretty carefully edited for him to post them on his site. He came off awfully bad in the actual interviews, almost laughable. His whole premise seems to be based on the old theory of "The big lie". If you say something enough someone will believe you, and even repeat the lie as fact.

I don't agree with all his reasoning either, but I agree with his basic message that the medical industry creates more than it helps disease.

He blames it on corporate for profit mentality, but this isn't the real reason.

While it is clear that there is a tendency for medicine providers to make medicines that prolong and cause diseases, such operators would be weeded out in a free market where the medicine suppliers / doctors etc would have to prove their competence to independent monitorers.

But the medical industry is a guild with government protection. A kind of monopolized industry with a few well connected players.

All government monolpolies are extremely inefficient. And to allow one in an industry with such an obvious incentive to prolong and increase disease is a disaster.

So if KT can prompt more people to look into this terrible medical industry, I think he is doing a lot of good on the balance of things. Still, I'd like him to address the government protection role in this mess rather than the current blaming on mega-coporations which appeals to the socialistic touchpoints among the masses but doesn't really recognize the main cause of the problem.

 

[macguy]

I don't agree with all his reasoning either, but I agree with his basic message that the medical industry creates more than it helps disease.

He blames it on corporate for profit mentality, but this isn't the real reason.

While it is clear that there is a tendency for medicine providers to make medicines that prolong and cause diseases, such operators would be weeded out in a free market where the medicine suppliers / doctors etc would have to prove their competence to independent monitorers.

But the medical industry is a guild with government protection. A kind of monopolized industry with a few well connected players.

All government monolpolies are extremely inefficient. And to allow one in an industry with such an obvious incentive to prolong and increase disease is a disaster.

So if KT can prompt more people to look into this terrible medical industry, I think he is doing a lot of good on the balance of things. Still, I'd like him to address the government protection role in this mess rather than the current blaming on mega-coporations which appeals to the socialistic touchpoints among the masses but doesn't really recognize the main cause of the problem.

I agree with about the medical industry, actually so would anybody, you don't need KT to point that out. That is another thing he has done, it is called "The common enemy". If two people have a common enemy they become allies. He selected the medical industry as a common enemy, an easy choice. The problem is, he claims to have answers which you find out pretty quickly he doesn't. He just tries to continue to take money away from people through the web site. His motives are in no way noble, it's just another con. There are plenty of good books out there on self healing and living a healthy lifestyle, unfortunately his is not one of them.

 

[Colin Colenso]

I agree with about the medical industry, actually so would anybody, you don't need KT to point that out. That is another thing he has done, it is called "The common enemy". If two people have a common enemy they become allies. He selected the medical industry as a common enemy, an easy choice. The problem is, he claims to have answers which you find out pretty quickly he doesn't. He just tries to continue to take money away from people through the web site. His motives are in no way noble, it's just another con. There are plenty of good books out there on self healing and living a healthy lifestyle, unfortunately his is not one of them.

Yes, there have been many books with similar themes for Natural type cures in the past. It's quite remarkable that he can sell millions of his books where others remain largely unknown.

He does seem to know how to offer what the people are looking for and would buy. To someone who has studied other self-healing / health conscious books he doesn't seem to be presenting much new, but somehow he offers many people what they want.

Maybe for many of them it will be their first steps on a road to greater inquiry.

 

[stevelomako]

Being in the medical industry for over 33 years, I have seen a lot! I saw a doctor come panicking out of a room and telling us to get a doctor, and we said, "Aren't you one?" The patient died needlessly and it was covered up to her family.
<smile>

What did you do about the cover-up?

 

[Schwinn]

I think the whole "natural cures" thing takes advantage of people who have an illness and who have been let down by professional medicine. When you are desperate - you are more willing to take chances and buy into something that is more of a "wildcard".

I wouldn't go so far to say that KT is a conman. But he is certainly a salesman and a damn good one at that. Personally I would never take medical advice from someone who has no medical training, most definitely someone who stands to profit from it.

The natural cures thing is like getting psychological advice from a self-help book written by a celebrity rather than from someone with years of professional training. Makes no sense.

 

[chefjeff]

Imagine your are playing 8ball and you break and sink a ball. Mike Segal steps up and says you should play it this way. Bernie F steps up and says you should play it this way- who do you believe?

KT has NO medical training, he is a quack and a very good conman, thats al.

G

I believe that the experience and character of the person giving the advice should be considered, but not followed with blind faith.

I might weigh the advice and then use my integrated mind to determine what shot I would play. First off, Mike S. (and Bernie) has ZERO idea what my goals are, therefore HIS choice of shot relates to HIS choices and HIS life, not mine. What's good for him is not necessarily good for me, in pool or otherwise. That's the essence of freedom...it allows each of us to choose and to pay for those choices, good or bad.

Kevin doesn't advocate using gun-backed force to take away any of our choices; the govt. and its medical-industry lobbyist do...AND they force us to pay for THEIR immoral choices about our personal business...which for some of us means with our very lives.

I'm glad you're wary...that's a good attitude to have---as long as you're honest with yourself and others about what you advocate. I'll get you started on an honest discussion with yourself...

...Ask yourself some questions about what you wrote as fact: How do you honestly know that "Kevin has no medical training, is a quack, and is a very good conman, that's al (sic)?" For example, if he is a very good conman, how did he get "caught?" Very good conmen don't get "caught" or they wouldn't be very good. And could the "getting caught" part be based on some other dishonest force outside of Kevin's actions?

Another consideration: He obviously talks intelligently about a lot of medical issues, so how can you say he has no medical training? Or do you mean he has no govt. approved medical training? Is there a valuable difference between the two? Always and forever? The earth is flat....still?

One last thought: What if Kevin (and Bernie F.---who is Bernie, anyway?) has the better answers? First, how would one know, and second, what would one do?

Jeff Livingston

 

[rackmsuckr]

What did you do about the cover-up?

The coverup occurred on a high level at the hospital. When I say she died needlessly, I should have clarified. She died needlessly that day. The woman was very old with a bowel blockage. She may have died soon anyway. This doctor's actions certainly speeded it up and I am certainly not apologizing for him. This patient was also a No-Code, meaning that if anything happened, she was not to be resuscitated. This is usually done through a living will, if the hospital or her doctor determines that no heroic efforts should be performed, and usually with the knowledge and consent of the family.

The medical profession is rife with these doctors...every hospital has a few of these physicians that every employee knows about. If you want to know what doctor you should go to OR avoid, just ask one of the employees at one of the hospitals in which the doctor has privileges.

I was an employee (not in the room at the time) and heard from others who were. I did go in to assist as soon as he walked out and with the cleanup. Afterwards, an investigation was carried out. The doctor was removed or stepped down and started his own practice in another field that would not involve the kinds of studies he had been performing. He may have also had to pay a large fine to the hospital which would have gone toward the family, in the name of the hospital. That's what I heard anyway. But there were no REAL repercussions - his reputation remained unblemished to the public.

I don't know what the family was told, or what went on the death certificate, but I am pretty sure it wasn't the entire truth. Hospitals spend a lot to hush things up. The damage in negative publicity would certainly hurt their bottom line.

This was also back in the day when the medical profession was pretty pristine (in public) and the physician was GOD. People did not air their dirty laundry, like now with reality shows, and they weren't as litigious as today either. There was a protocol we followed and no one questioned it. Today, I would think twice about staying silent, but back then? No one bucked the system, it never even occurred to anyone to do it. And I had no power to follow up - to look up the death certificate, to see what the administration's decisions were, etc. As a result of these occurrences and public demand, more accountability has been implemented with review boards, etc. today.

 

[jjinfla]

The really funny part about the medical industry is that nurses are supposed to, and do, document, in writing, when they make a mistake. Yet you will never see a doctor do this. And of course everyone keeps quiet. It's the doctors who finished in the bottom of their class from a low rated medical school that you have to watch out for. And it really is all about the money in the medical field now. I enjoy watching Grey's Anatomy and House. Dr. House is my kind of doctor. And not all that atypical. And talk about huge egos. But, for the most part they are justified.

Jake

 

[sjm]

What's up with the bashing of the medical industry in this thread?

The insurance industry spends all day long talking about how people are living longer than ever before because medical science has come so far. The actuaries have seen to it that life insurance premiums have risen to reflect the enormous gains that the improved study and application of medicine have necessitated.

I'm not suggesting there aren't abuses of the medical system within the profession, but seriously, in an era in which people are living longer than ever before, how could anyone deny the collective accomplishments of the medical profession?

Let's stop dwelling on the few who've abused the process, and show some appreciation to doctors everywhere, who as a group, are seeing to it that we live longer, healthier lives.

 

[Gabber]

I believe that the experience and character of the person giving the advice should be considered, but not followed with blind faith.

I might weigh the advice and then use my integrated mind to determine what shot I would play. First off, Mike S. (and Bernie) has ZERO idea what my goals are, therefore HIS choice of shot relates to HIS choices and HIS life, not mine. What's good for him is not necessarily good for me, in pool or otherwise. That's the essence of freedom...it allows each of us to choose and to pay for those choices, good or bad.

Kevin doesn't advocate using gun-backed force to take away any of our choices; the govt. and its medical-industry lobbyist do...AND they force us to pay for THEIR immoral choices about our personal business...which for some of us means with our very lives.

I'm glad you're wary...that's a good attitude to have---as long as you're honest with yourself and others about what you advocate. I'll get you started on an honest discussion with yourself...

...Ask yourself some questions about what you wrote as fact: How do you honestly know that "Kevin has no medical training, is a quack, and is a very good conman, that's al (sic)?" For example, if he is a very good conman, how did he get "caught?" Very good conmen don't get "caught" or they wouldn't be very good. And could the "getting caught" part be based on some other dishonest force outside of Kevin's actions?

Another consideration: He obviously talks intelligently about a lot of medical issues, so how can you say he has no medical training? Or do you mean he has no govt. approved medical training? Is there a valuable difference between the two? Always and forever? The earth is flat....still?

One last thought: What if Kevin (and Bernie F.---who is Bernie, anyway?) has the better answers? First, how would one know, and second, what would one do?

Jeff Livingston

This isnt about Govt, the medical profession or the big bad Drug/Food industry and I,m pretty sure KT holds no qualifications in any recognized medical field.
The con is the 'infomercial' itself. The whole concept is a deception, based on tricking the viewer into believing they are watching a show.
As far as i know, KT has NEVER been able to back up ANY of the claims he makes for ANY of his products. After several warnings, KT continued to make claims he couldnt prove, thats why he is off the air.
If he really had a simple cure for diabetes, he could sell it to a major drug company and make a billion in a heartbeat....but he hasnt.

Quote, "One last thought: What if Kevin (and Bernie F.---who is Bernie, anyway?) has the better answers? First, how would one know, and second, what would one do?"

Exactly, if I didnt know I would always go with the professional and not the ball banger.

"Who is Bernie?-" who knows.



Gabber.....this thread should be moved to the non-pool section.

 

[wayne]

If he really had a simple cure for diabetes, he could sell it to a major drug company and make a billion in a heartbeat....but he hasnt.

Uhh! Major drug companies are not interested in cures, they are interested in selling more drugs. The last thing they want is a cure. Cures are bad for drug sales. What planet are you from? This is planet EARTH! They might kill you or sue you for coming up with a cure but they aren't going to pay you a billion for ruining their vested interest.

Wayne

 

[Jaden]

funny, a quack huh?

Imagine your are playing 8ball and you break and sink a ball. Mike Segal steps up and says you should play it this way. Bernie F steps up and says you should play it this way- who do you believe?

KT has NO medical training, he is a quack and a very good conman, thats al.

G

There are five duck sitting in a hot tub having a party, and a geese walks up to them and says "Hey don't you guys realize you're being cooked for dinner?". The duck laugh at him and say "Hey man, you can't know because you're not a duck and you're not in here enjoying the warm water."

A frog will jump right out of a pot of boiling water, but put him in lukewarm water and heat it up and he'll stay in there until he dies!!!

The fact that KT has no training from the medical establishment doesn't mean he can't say, "Hey don't you realize you're being cooked for dinner?"

Descartes said" I think therefore I am", and many people misunderstood what that statement meant. He was saying that the only thing you can be ABSOLUTELY sure of was that YOU existed, He thought of this concept while trying to understand the paradigms of science. He saw major flaws with the scientific establishment.

The scientific field of medicine has the same flaws. A house of cards so to speak. You have the top of the chain controlling any evidence that goes against what they want to believe. I'm not going to write a book here, because this isn't the place; however, I do want to illustrate that there is absolutely nothing implausible about what KT states and a rational man that isn't afraid of confronting the idiosyncrasies of life would be willing to consider them with an open mind.