Anyone seen the video clips on Kevin Trudeau's Web site about his book?
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Jaden said:
You don't get it. KT just seems to have a firm grasp of the obvious as he points out problems with the system, no one needs to pay for those revelations. His problem though is he claims to have answers and once you get farther into him you find out he has none and it is just a money making scam. His weight loss program tells you to eat less and exercise, Duh. I remember an ad in popular mechanics about a compact new exercise device for $12.99 guaranteed to burn calories and get you in shape with no pictures of the product. It was a jump rope. Sometimes you can be telling the truth and still be scamming people. If you send me a check for $20.00 I will tell you how to cut your auto gas bill in half same with your electric bill, guaranteed.
I do get it though.
WHat you said is right, the things that KT is saying in his book are things that a person SHOULD be able to just figure out on their own; however, they DON'T. KT's book got to the masses in a way that previous attempts couldn't.
Let's take a look at something else that people should know. POOL is an excellent sport and deserves notoriety and decent money for the pros. Again KT is attempting to bring it to the masses. Who CARES how he does it as long as he accomplishes it. Is it possible that he will use things that aren't REALLY what pool and the pool community is all about to get it to the masses. YES, but so what, once you get it to the masses, THEN you can bring the aspects about pool that the pool community desires.
The question here isn't HOW KT provides the masses needed to add to pool, nor even why. The question is CAN he, and I think that he's shown that at the least, we can sit back and see whether he can or not.
macguy said:
WHat you said is right, the things that KT is saying in his book are things that a person SHOULD be able to just figure out on their own; however, they DON'T. KT's book got to the masses in a way that previous attempts couldn't.
Let's take a look at something else that people should know. POOL is an excellent sport and deserves notoriety and decent money for the pros. Again KT is attempting to bring it to the masses. Who CARES how he does it as long as he accomplishes it. Is it possible that he will use things that aren't REALLY what pool and the pool community is all about to get it to the masses. YES, but so what, once you get it to the masses, THEN you can bring the aspects about pool that the pool community desires.
The question here isn't HOW KT provides the masses needed to add to pool, nor even why. The question is CAN he, and I think that he's shown that at the least, we can sit back and see whether he can or not.
Jaden said:
Are you nuts? It is being financed by money he has scammed from an unsuspecting public through lies and deception and you don't care? Play in the tournament if you are one of the players and do the best you can but stop sounding like some mindless disciple of a cult group. You are defending a man who is really no damn good no matter how you try to spin it.
sjm,sjm said:
I think many areas of the medical industry, in particular the pharmocological aspects are in a woeful state. I have worked with people in the industry and many of the incentives are back to front if we are seeking to increase health and escape from the suffering of disease.
The most advanced pharmaceutical nation in the world, the US now ranks as the 48th among the world in terms of life expectancy.
Here are some figures:
1. Andorra – 83.49 years
2. Macau – 81.87 years
3. San Marino – 81.43 years
4. Japan – 80.93 years
10. Hong Kong – 79.93 years
40. Jordan – 77.88 years
47. Puerto Rico – 77.26 years
48. United States – 77.14 years
The longevity enjoyed by Americans, I believe has been due to other factors and in spite of the threats posed by most modern medicines.
Did you know that the 3rd Leading Cause of Death in the US (250,000 per year) is a result of the practices of the medical industry. And these are figures from people who are medically trained.
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Writing in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), Dr. Starfield has documented the tragedy of the traditional medical paradigm in the following statistics:
Deaths Per Year............Cause
106,000 ......Non-error, negative effects of drugs
80,000 ........Infections in hospitals
45,000 ........Other errors in hospitals
12,000 ........Unnecessary surgery
7,000 ..........Medication errors in hospitals
250,000 .......Total deaths per year from iatrogenic causes
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And how many are suffering from negative effects of drugs? Millions no doubt!
iconcue said:
There's a very common thing in hospitals called nosocomial infections. That means that you walk out of the hospital (or die) from something you picked up at the hospital, that you never had when you checked in. You would be surprised how high those figures are in each hospital.
That is why I never had my first baby in a hospital. Hospitals are for sickness and death, not for births! Why is it that the death rate goes down when doctors go on strike?
Read the stats above and you'll get some idea of what I mean.iconcue said:
I haven't taken any medicine for about 20 years.
I smoke and drink (silly me), and when I do occassionally get sick, it's always due to indulging too much in those habits.
Nearly everyone I know gets sick a lot more than I do, and most rush to the doctor for some anti-lifers, I mean anti-biotics or some other poison that stops their body from cleaning itself out. If I do get sick I plough on for a few days while my body cleans itself.
There is a place for doctors in the world, but the current government protected system has little to do with generating better health.
The improvements we've seen in life expentancies has been mainly due to increases of wealth and improved hygiene.
Watch a commercial
No, all you have to do is watch a commercial on tv for drugs. How many side effects, including DEATH do they advertise? And try to figure out what the FU#K the drug is for? No they say ask your doctor, and they allow that shi% to be on the air and try to stop KT from airing that you should exercise and watch what you eat and stop taking these drugs that cause all sorts of side effects that require other drugs to treat the side effects of the drugs?
I'm not the one who's nuts. anyone who blindly trusts the medical establishment is fu$king nuts.
Oh and most lower than 80 IQ dumbass cult followers quote descartes.
No, I had the same idea long before I heard about KT and his book. It just makes sense when you look at everything out there and don't blindly trust the community that is doing it to begin with.
When you go to the doctor and it is obvious what is wrong and you tell them and they say no I have to do more tests and then when the tests come back, they so oh it IS what you said.
I had a broken finger, left middle one. Take whatever imagery you want from that. The ambulance comes up and looks at it. It was a compound fracture, (that means the bone was sticking out). It just so happened to be at the point of my finger that joins to the nail. The bone had stretched the skin and popped out facing upwards. The paramedic looks at it pours some alcohol on it to clean up some of the blood and says"It looks that the nail has come free from the clavicle." I said no you idiot, it's broken can't you see the bone?"
He replies " You're in shock son, you need to calm down." And proceeds to write up his little report as though it is a torn off nail.
I get to the hospital and the nurse comes to takle blood. She sticks the needle in my arm and then turns it in a complete circle, saying" I can't find the vein?"
The doctor comes in finally although my mom had already managed to drive 60 miles from work to get there, and says ,guess what?, "It looks like the nail has come free from the clavicle."
I tell him again that the bone is sticking straight up why can;t he see that?
He says to calm down that I was in shock and that they would take xrays to make sure.
Guess what? It was BROKEN. The doctor who ended up doing the surgery stated It was the worst break of any bone he had seen in his seven years of practice and had no idea how it had managed to heal as well as it did. He expected to have to remove the tip of my finger.
He also said that the nail would never grow back and the finger would not grow anymore. I was fifteen at the time and the finger grew perfectly, I still have the nail, and I still have full feeling in it. The nerve endings had all been torn, the growth plate was broken and the nail was gone. According to the medical establishment, nothing that happened should have. And you have the audacity to tell me that they know more? That I should listen to them over someone, (KT), who states things that I've believed for years.
Now if a doctor were to look at my record of that surgery they would simply state that the doctor must;ve been mistaken about the growth plate and the nerve endings. The bone was COMPLETELY seperate from the finger, just dangling. He could NOT have been wrong. This means that the current understanding of medical science is WRONG!!! This is all the paradigm of science states. i.e. that the establishment will support their own current view and ignore that which denies their current view.
This has been the case through scientfic history.
Do you want to know what the ONLY historical Scientific FACT is. That they are ALWAYS currently wrong. Future science will always be MORE accurate than current science.
So YOU go to your doctor when you get sick. EAt whatever, chemically treated, hormone injected crap you want and never workout again. I'll listen to myself, and KT and take care of myself and work on preventive maintenance so I don't have to.
iconcue said:
No, all you have to do is watch a commercial on tv for drugs. How many side effects, including DEATH do they advertise? And try to figure out what the FU#K the drug is for? No they say ask your doctor, and they allow that shi% to be on the air and try to stop KT from airing that you should exercise and watch what you eat and stop taking these drugs that cause all sorts of side effects that require other drugs to treat the side effects of the drugs?
I'm not the one who's nuts. anyone who blindly trusts the medical establishment is fu$king nuts.
Oh and most lower than 80 IQ dumbass cult followers quote descartes.
No, I had the same idea long before I heard about KT and his book. It just makes sense when you look at everything out there and don't blindly trust the community that is doing it to begin with.
When you go to the doctor and it is obvious what is wrong and you tell them and they say no I have to do more tests and then when the tests come back, they so oh it IS what you said.
I had a broken finger, left middle one. Take whatever imagery you want from that. The ambulance comes up and looks at it. It was a compound fracture, (that means the bone was sticking out). It just so happened to be at the point of my finger that joins to the nail. The bone had stretched the skin and popped out facing upwards. The paramedic looks at it pours some alcohol on it to clean up some of the blood and says"It looks that the nail has come free from the clavicle." I said no you idiot, it's broken can't you see the bone?"
He replies " You're in shock son, you need to calm down." And proceeds to write up his little report as though it is a torn off nail.
I get to the hospital and the nurse comes to takle blood. She sticks the needle in my arm and then turns it in a complete circle, saying" I can't find the vein?"
The doctor comes in finally although my mom had already managed to drive 60 miles from work to get there, and says ,guess what?, "It looks like the nail has come free from the clavicle."
I tell him again that the bone is sticking straight up why can;t he see that?
He says to calm down that I was in shock and that they would take xrays to make sure.
Guess what? It was BROKEN. The doctor who ended up doing the surgery stated It was the worst break of any bone he had seen in his seven years of practice and had no idea how it had managed to heal as well as it did. He expected to have to remove the tip of my finger.
He also said that the nail would never grow back and the finger would not grow anymore. I was fifteen at the time and the finger grew perfectly, I still have the nail, and I still have full feeling in it. The nerve endings had all been torn, the growth plate was broken and the nail was gone. According to the medical establishment, nothing that happened should have. And you have the audacity to tell me that they know more? That I should listen to them over someone, (KT), who states things that I've believed for years.
Now if a doctor were to look at my record of that surgery they would simply state that the doctor must;ve been mistaken about the growth plate and the nerve endings. The bone was COMPLETELY seperate from the finger, just dangling. He could NOT have been wrong. This means that the current understanding of medical science is WRONG!!! This is all the paradigm of science states. i.e. that the establishment will support their own current view and ignore that which denies their current view.
This has been the case through scientfic history.
Do you want to know what the ONLY historical Scientific FACT is. That they are ALWAYS currently wrong. Future science will always be MORE accurate than current science.
So YOU go to your doctor when you get sick. EAt whatever, chemically treated, hormone injected crap you want and never workout again. I'll listen to myself, and KT and take care of myself and work on preventive maintenance so I don't have to.
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I've got a dozen good comebacks...all trivial excuses...iconcue said:i don't mean to suggest there are not problems in the system. insurance companies and the power they weild i dont see as a positive. same for the major drug companies. not to mention doctors taking gifts and such from drugs companies or doing paid speaking engagements for drug companies in resort locations. an obvious conflict of interest.
BUT! colin I can't believe YOU SMOKE!!!???
In China it's cool and popular and I'm never one to go against the stream.
It's just to prove how tough I am!
I read somewhere, I forget where, that it helps reduce memory loss and prevents alzeimers
etc etc
Exactly.
You also play POOL. YOU also understnad that pool is a great sport and probably feel that the pros should make a decent living.
The majority of people out there DON'T. That is the point. The majority of people out NEED someone to convince them to buy the book to figure out those things, they NEED someone to make use of their limited intelect and to make choices for them. That's why THEY do trust the medical establishment blindly, and that's why it was necesary for KT to use the tactics he did to sell the books so that they could get the info.
You said it yourself though that you haven't read his book. I did, a long time before the IPT was ever even thought of.
Is there anything revolutionary in his book. NO. I was a little surprised when I read through it and saw that there were none of the cures listed, but there was at the same time. The cures he gives are general, not specific and they are common sense things. But live in Cali for a little while or anywhere for that matter and you;ll see there is nothing common about common sense.
In addition, sometimes people need something to refer to to give them that kick in the pants to get them going. The people who buy his book are looking for that, they want to change. He gives them that common sense knowledge and the kick in the pants that many need.
If you're looking for something that will cure all of your ills while letting you be a completely oblivious slob, it ain't the answer, but don't completely discredit it because of a person's(dissatisfied customers) lack of incredulity.
His reasons for using the methods he does? Who knows, other than that it appears they are the only ones that work, but unless the message is flawed, you can't say that it's fraud. It's merely good business practice and a functional way of getting the message out there.
iconcue said:
You also play POOL. YOU also understnad that pool is a great sport and probably feel that the pros should make a decent living.
The majority of people out there DON'T. That is the point. The majority of people out NEED someone to convince them to buy the book to figure out those things, they NEED someone to make use of their limited intelect and to make choices for them. That's why THEY do trust the medical establishment blindly, and that's why it was necesary for KT to use the tactics he did to sell the books so that they could get the info.
You said it yourself though that you haven't read his book. I did, a long time before the IPT was ever even thought of.
Is there anything revolutionary in his book. NO. I was a little surprised when I read through it and saw that there were none of the cures listed, but there was at the same time. The cures he gives are general, not specific and they are common sense things. But live in Cali for a little while or anywhere for that matter and you;ll see there is nothing common about common sense.
In addition, sometimes people need something to refer to to give them that kick in the pants to get them going. The people who buy his book are looking for that, they want to change. He gives them that common sense knowledge and the kick in the pants that many need.
If you're looking for something that will cure all of your ills while letting you be a completely oblivious slob, it ain't the answer, but don't completely discredit it because of a person's(dissatisfied customers) lack of incredulity.
His reasons for using the methods he does? Who knows, other than that it appears they are the only ones that work, but unless the message is flawed, you can't say that it's fraud. It's merely good business practice and a functional way of getting the message out there.
Hey I'm not saying that at all.
No, I do not say anything of the sort. Hell, I don't even say you have to support the IPT. You can do whatever you want. I'm not deifying KT in any way. I'm saying that people shouldn't rush to judgement on him. There's nothing he's doing that should make anyone think that the IPT can't succeed or shouldn't succeed. That's all I'm saying. When people start saying that because I agree with some of the stuff in KT's book that I'm a cult follower, I will defend my position. That's all I was doing, or they insinuate that anyone who believes any part of his book has an 80 IQ. I happen to believe a lot of what's in his book and I have a 148 IQ. I am also a member of Mensa. So, yes all of the negativity directed at KT upsets me, because it is the meanderings of a jealous lot who are hopelessly enamored in the miasma of scientific paradigm.
iconcue said:yes! you cannot say common sense in a book form is fraud
so from what you are saying it seems supporting the ipt (which i do) is not enough. we should also be hawking kevin trudeau's book or we are not helping the pool industry.
you won't find me touting kevin's book or his "natural cures" but i do support the ipt!
and i totally disagree with your way of thinking!
jeff
No, I do not say anything of the sort. Hell, I don't even say you have to support the IPT. You can do whatever you want. I'm not deifying KT in any way. I'm saying that people shouldn't rush to judgement on him. There's nothing he's doing that should make anyone think that the IPT can't succeed or shouldn't succeed. That's all I'm saying. When people start saying that because I agree with some of the stuff in KT's book that I'm a cult follower, I will defend my position. That's all I was doing, or they insinuate that anyone who believes any part of his book has an 80 IQ. I happen to believe a lot of what's in his book and I have a 148 IQ. I am also a member of Mensa. So, yes all of the negativity directed at KT upsets me, because it is the meanderings of a jealous lot who are hopelessly enamored in the miasma of scientific paradigm.
Jaden said:
Good point. Only thing is you are confusing clavicle with cuticle. The clavicle is your collarbone, but I knew what you meant.
Colin, a man with your sensibilities ought to know that smoking does NOT look cool and I can't believe you believe that. I automatically take 20 points off of someone's IQ and lose respect when I see them smoking. It is NASTY and gross. My husband smokes and there isn't a day that goes by that I don't nag him. I love him too much to not want him around. See how cool a tracheostomy looks and you have to use one of those buzzers to vocalize a monotone or write something down because you have lost your vocal cords or tongue. You tell me what is so cool with this picture! How about being on an iron lung or dragging your little friend, your oxygen tank around? OK, I am getting off the soapbox now. i just care too much about the things we do to sabotage our health. I'm not perfect, I love to eat too much.
Also, Jaden, I got the older version too, where the cures aren't listed like in the new book. He has very specific things for each disease that he was not allowed to put in his first edition. And yes, there were a ton of things that are not common sense, specific things that gave me something to think about and weigh the merits of.
Those mortality/life expectancy rates statistics come from the U.S. Census Bureau's International Data Base.
Yes, I also agree that doctors help a lot of people. They are only limited in their training to manage sickness and disease and not prevention. They don't purposely try to kill anyone.
I hope I replied to everyone I wanted to answer.
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HAHAHAA oMGosh, I knew that. cuticle, I don't know why I kept writing clavicle. LOL
I had another incident as well, I won't go into as much detail, but there was a problem with my shoulder when I was in the marine corps and the navy doctors took an xray and said I had a birth defect and that I was missing a portion of my socket bone and that they had to discharge me.
well, six doctors eight xrays, two MRI's and an orthoscopic surgery later they decided they had finally figured out what was really wrong. Although four of the doctors said there was nothing wrong after taking xrays. They didn't even ask me to demonstrate what the problem was.
The last doctor tried to say that nothing was wrong, until I insisted on showing him what was wrong. He said "That's not right!" and proceeded to figure it out. "His final diagnosis after doing an prthoscopic surgery was that I was missing the bicep tendon, (a birth defect), which is one of four tendons that hold the shoulder in place. I can manually dislocate my own shoulder. Dn't ask me to do it cause it hurts like a mother.
rackmsuckr said:Good point. Only thing is you are confusing clavicle with cuticle. The clavicle is your collarbone, but I knew what you meant.
Colin, a man with your sensibilities ought to know that smoking does NOT look cool and I can't believe you believe that. I automatically take 20 points off of someone's IQ and lose respect when I see them smoking. It is NASTY and gross. My husband smokes and there isn't a day that goes by that I don't nag him. I love him too much to not want him around. See how cool a tracheostomy looks and you have to use one of those buzzers to vocalize a monotone or write something down because you have lost your vocal cords or tongue. You tell me what is so cool with this picture! How about being on an iron lung or dragging your little friend, your oxygen tank around? OK, I am getting off the soapbox now. i just care too much about the things we do to sabotage our health. I'm not perfect, I love to eat too much.
Also, Jaden, I got the older version too, where the cures aren't listed like in the new book. He has very specific things for each disease that he was not allowed to put in his first edition. And yes, there were a ton of things that are not common sense, specific things that gave me something to think about and weigh the merits of.
Those mortality/life expectancy rates statistics come from the U.S. Census Bureau's International Data Base.
Yes, I also agree that doctors help a lot of people. They are only limited in their training to manage sickness and disease and not prevention. They don't purposely try to kill anyone.
I hope I replied to everyone I wanted to answer.
HAHAHAA oMGosh, I knew that. cuticle, I don't know why I kept writing clavicle. LOL
I had another incident as well, I won't go into as much detail, but there was a problem with my shoulder when I was in the marine corps and the navy doctors took an xray and said I had a birth defect and that I was missing a portion of my socket bone and that they had to discharge me.
well, six doctors eight xrays, two MRI's and an orthoscopic surgery later they decided they had finally figured out what was really wrong. Although four of the doctors said there was nothing wrong after taking xrays. They didn't even ask me to demonstrate what the problem was.
The last doctor tried to say that nothing was wrong, until I insisted on showing him what was wrong. He said "That's not right!" and proceeded to figure it out. "His final diagnosis after doing an prthoscopic surgery was that I was missing the bicep tendon, (a birth defect), which is one of four tendons that hold the shoulder in place. I can manually dislocate my own shoulder. Dn't ask me to do it cause it hurts like a mother.
Gabber
Banned
Not allowed?????????????? Did KT tell you this? LMAO.
Isnt the real reason for the new addition ,the 1000,s and 1000,s of complaints about the first one? ie, people bought the book hoping to find out what the cures are that, 'they' dont want you to know about, only to find out that the book doesnt tell them what these cures are.
There is no persecution of KT going on here.
Like I have said before, the only problem the Law has with KT is that he makes claims for his products that he cant back-up with proof.
If you have ANY proof that KT's book was censured, lets hear it.
BTW, you have both books- could you tell me what the specific cure for arthritis is?
Gabber
Of course I was joking ;-)rackmsuckr said:
Just please don't post that scary picture again
Colin Colenso said:Of course I was joking ;-)
Just please don't post that scary picture again
OK, I won't post that scary picture again, but just in case you weren't really joking, here's another good one for you....
I actually handled creosote-filled lungs like this from a cadaver.
And just so I don't stray off-topic too long, Gabber, I only have his first book which I assumed had all the cures listed like the ones they show on tv. I also assumed there was only one version. I bought mine from another pool player a couple months ago at a tournament, and yes, I was disappointed that it did not have the nice tables with each disease categorized that I saw on the commercial. I did see on those clips that he says for arthritis you need to get the metal fillings out of your mouth (mercury poisoning?) and some crocodile peptide enzyme or something??? I don't know, but I really did get some useful stuff from the book.
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