Anyone seen this trick?

[Hal]

I saw this trucker/pool player do a trick with 4 quarters. He put them on the pool table in a big square. Then he puts each hand over a quarter but doesn't touch them. He shakes his hands and the quarters move to one pile. (but you don't see the quarters actually move.) Then he does the other two quarters the same way. When he's finished, all four quarters are in one pile.

It was the damdest thing I've ever seen.

 

[Tbeaux]

I saw this trucker/pool player do a trick with 4 quarters. He put them on the pool table in a big square. Then he puts each hand over a quarter but doesn't touch them. He shakes his hands and the quarters move to one pile. (but you don't see the quarters actually move.) Then he does the other two quarters the same way. When he's finished, all four quarters are in one pile.

It was the damdest thing I've ever seen.

If you meet someone that can do that with money.......don't let them pat you on the butt. You check your wallet Hal?

Terry

 

[Hal]

Here's a diagram. He pushed up his sleeves, showed his hands, then put hands over quarters #2 and #3 and shook his hands. When he moved them, #3 was with #2. Then he did the same with #1 and #4. When he raised his hands, #1 was with #4. Then he did #2 and #4. When he raised his hands, all four quarters were together.

 

[Shorty]

The only thing I can think of is palming a magnet and using special quarters perhaps...no clue otherwise.

Shorty

 

[Tbeaux]

The only thing I can think of is palming a magnet and using special quarters perhaps...no clue otherwise.

Shorty

How would he get the coin(s) from one hand to the other though?

Terry

 

[BRKNRUN]

How would he get the coin(s) from one hand to the other though?

Terry

He doesn't.....Its called slight of hand...

I will bet there are more than 4 quarters involved in the trick...

 

[twilight]

I used to be an amateur magician and can say based on what you told me it is a relatively simple trick that can be accomplished with a device known as a "raven". Do an internet search as to what coin magic can be accomplished with this device. I won't give it away but this is just one way it can be done based on what you described.

 

[MacGyver]

wow.. lots of misinformation and un-needed exposure.

I *am* a proffesional magician, and the raven would be a very very bad choice for this and I can't think of anyone actually using it for this purpose.(its for a vanish and can only be used once without reseting and unloading so if he made 3 quarters jump, I really doubt he reset and whatnot in between).

This can be done with sleight of hand using only 4 quarters, all borrowed... its a pretty classic magic effect and it sounds like it was done well.

Further more to others, why go off and try to expose the working, especially if you used to be an amature magician(magician code done reveal).

if you did want to explain the workings, than a PM would be a good choice as it isnt public on a non-magic related board.

Finially I'm not saying this because I want secrets for myself or any other selfish reasons that many laymen assume magicians have, but because honestly most people LIKE to be astonished and if we can show them something impossible then they really enjoy it.

I can't count the number of times that someone has been truly astonished and amazed and loving the feeling and experiance only to have someone say something like "Oh I saw an extra coin thats how he did it"(even if there really wasnt an extra coin and he was lieing), but the expression from the first person completely changes and they are just upset that they could be fooled by something so stupid...

So anyway, to everyone in the future, let people experiance the wonder of magic without trying to quickly explain it away(if you'll notice the first poster was just posting his experiance and not asking for how-to's).

 

[han]

Joe Porper turned five one dollar bills into hundred dollar bills.
He folded the bills several times, then wala! It must be magic...
Made my day.

He's workin on some more and i get a preview sometime soon.
Can't wait.

 

[Mick56]

Joe Porper turned five one dollar bills into hundred dollar bills.
He folded the bills several times, then wala! It must be magic...
Made my day.

He's workin on some more and i get a preview sometime soon.
Can't wait.

I can go out with a $100, and come home with just a few singles. Can that be explained?????

 

[Tbeaux]

I can go out with a $100, and come home with just a few singles. Can that be explained?????

UUUUmmmm 1)It could be that magic invention called fermentation!
2) It could be the magic g-string!
3) It could be someone who shots like the magician!

Terry

 

[Colin Colenso]

wow.. lots of misinformation and un-needed exposure.

I *am* a proffesional magician, and the raven would be a very very bad choice for this and I can't think of anyone actually using it for this purpose.(its for a vanish and can only be used once without reseting and unloading so if he made 3 quarters jump, I really doubt he reset and whatnot in between).

This can be done with sleight of hand using only 4 quarters, all borrowed... its a pretty classic magic effect and it sounds like it was done well.

Further more to others, why go off and try to expose the working, especially if you used to be an amature magician(magician code done reveal).

if you did want to explain the workings, than a PM would be a good choice as it isnt public on a non-magic related board.

Finially I'm not saying this because I want secrets for myself or any other selfish reasons that many laymen assume magicians have, but because honestly most people LIKE to be astonished and if we can show them something impossible then they really enjoy it.

I can't count the number of times that someone has been truly astonished and amazed and loving the feeling and experiance only to have someone say something like "Oh I saw an extra coin thats how he did it"(even if there really wasnt an extra coin and he was lieing), but the expression from the first person completely changes and they are just upset that they could be fooled by something so stupid...

So anyway, to everyone in the future, let people experiance the wonder of magic without trying to quickly explain it away(if you'll notice the first poster was just posting his experiance and not asking for how-to's).

By the same logic, pool players should keep their techniques secret.

I don't buy the magician's code excuse. It's reminiscent of honor among thieves.

Are not magicians entertained, even thrilled and the skills and ingenuity of their contemporaries' performances. Could not a much wider audience enjoy the same knowledgeable appreciation?

 

[Black-Balled]

UUUUmmmm 1)It could be that magic invention called fermentation!
2) It could be the magic g-string!
3) It could be someone who shots like the magician!

Terry

G-string. Gets 'em every time!

 

[BRKNRUN]

wow.. lots of misinformation and un-needed exposure.

I *am* a proffesional magician, and the raven would be a very very bad choice for this and I can't think of anyone actually using it for this purpose.(its for a vanish and can only be used once without reseting and unloading so if he made 3 quarters jump, I really doubt he reset and whatnot in between).

This can be done with sleight of hand using only 4 quarters, all borrowed... its a pretty classic magic effect and it sounds like it was done well.

Further more to others, why go off and try to expose the working, especially if you used to be an amature magician(magician code done reveal).

if you did want to explain the workings, than a PM would be a good choice as it isnt public on a non-magic related board.

Finially I'm not saying this because I want secrets for myself or any other selfish reasons that many laymen assume magicians have, but because honestly most people LIKE to be astonished and if we can show them something impossible then they really enjoy it.

I can't count the number of times that someone has been truly astonished and amazed and loving the feeling and experiance only to have someone say something like "Oh I saw an extra coin thats how he did it"(even if there really wasnt an extra coin and he was lieing), but the expression from the first person completely changes and they are just upset that they could be fooled by something so stupid...

So anyway, to everyone in the future, let people experiance the wonder of magic without trying to quickly explain it away(if you'll notice the first poster was just posting his experiance and not asking for how-to's).

I was half right.....

I agree with the fact that people like to be astonished......however...I had more interest in watching the magic secrets exposed shows that have been on in the past......I am am actually more astonished to see how clever some people were that came up with these methods to create such realistic illousions....

In fact.....the magic shows I like the most, are the comedy type that fool you first and then make you feel like a fool when they show you how simple the trick actually is, but they do it in a way that is funny.....usually my thoughts are....."Damn thats clever"...

Bottom line...even if they knew how this quarter trick was done...they still would not be able to do it...I would bet it takes some real skill to manipulate the quarters and cause the "mis direction" to pull of a trick like that...especially if as you say its done with only 4 quarters...

 

[BRKNRUN]

I saw this trucker/pool player do a trick with 4 quarters. He put them on the pool table in a big square. Then he puts each hand over a quarter but doesn't touch them. He shakes his hands and the quarters move to one pile. (but you don't see the quarters actually move.) Then he does the other two quarters the same way. When he's finished, all four quarters are in one pile.

It was the damdest thing I've ever seen.

Here is a variation of the trick you describe....

http://www.wimp.com/coinmagic/

Just so this thread stays pool related...Here is a stupid pool trick...

http://www.wimp.com/pooltrick/

 

[MacGyver]

By the same logic, pool players should keep their techniques secret.

I don't buy the magician's code excuse. It's reminiscent of honor among thieves.

Are not magicians entertained, even thrilled and the skills and ingenuity of their contemporaries' performances. Could not a much wider audience enjoy the same knowledgeable appreciation?

Same logic? I have serious doubts about that comment.

My logic is that magic is an art of secrets, whereby one creates wonder and entertainment by creating an impossible situation for the viewer.

Pool is a skill based sport..... I don't see how you could logically compare the two...

I will make a comparison though... generally those that are somehow against magicians or want to expose magic to all do so because of a bad experiance with a bad magician or due to some odd stereotype enforced by role models, and the comparison is to the people that think pool is full of dirty hustlers/alchoholics/whatever else and isn't a sport/hobby that is played by anyone honorable or as proffesionals..

I hope you can see the analogy and give us magicians a fair chance without letting preconceptions or whatnot cloud your viewpoint.

I also take offense at the thieve comment, nearly every magician I know is very honorable and true proffesionals and don't see the comparison.

At the last part, yes it is true that one can appriciate a skillful performance but that is a different experiance for both the magician and the audience if that is true.

However, I will say from my own experiance and talking to many others, that the feeling of appriciating something and knoiwing how it is done pales in comparison to really being astonished with something you can't explain...

I really think the whole world would suffer(in terms of enjoying magic) if they all had the knowledge of a proffesional magician as many of the wonder would be gone, without much end gain to the general public. I have seen first hand how much fun and uplifting magic can be to an audience, and I also know how little knowing how the trick is done adds to someone that doesnt activily use that knowledge(by performing it). Unless the person uses the information, it really, again in my experiance, is only a downside to know how effects are done as much of the wonder is gone.

I am also not trying to hide information from those that *seek* it, there are plenty of websites and whatnot and even cheap books if you wish to learn or just PM me and I will gladly discuss things with people.

I just don't agree with the senseless exposure of effect on public boards such as this to anyone that happens to read(or on TV mass marketed to the public), as they didnt ask for it and it can ruin their experiances or memories by reading such stuff(though in this case its pretty low-key, my ethical objections still stand on it).

I'll be glad to discuss it further, but please lay off comparing us to thieves or trying to compare magic(an entertainment art) to pool....

 

[Donovan]

pool vs magic secrets

You guys are gonna hate me, but I am with MacGyver on this one. I studied for a long time and spent lots of money learning many of the secrets of magic to entertain people. If all the secrets were just given away, what did I work so hard to learn it for. In pool, we learn from each other, sure. In magic, magicians learn from each other. However, we do pay for training aids, videos, lessons and so forth, right? Guess what? Magicians do this too.

Why would I teach someone who plays pool 5 times a years the 3-minute 3-rail system? I wouldn't. They don't really want to know, won't remember, and won't put the time in to truly learn it. It's the same for magic. All it does is spoil the enjoyment and facination, whether it is pool or magic.

If you are really serious about learning magic, you should find where the nearest I.B.M. (International Brotherhood of Magicians) meet where you live. Get a sponsor from the group and start learnign. When they meet they usually go over some form of magic and then the following meeting everyone performs something that they learned and then learn something new again and so forth.

 

[cuejoey]

i think the best part of magic is the mystic about trying to figure out how a trick occured........i recently bought a trick from an internet magic store ....the grand kids go crazy over it........lots of fun.......

 

[MacGyver]

i think the best part of magic is the mystic about trying to figure out how a trick occured........i recently bought a trick from an internet magic store ....the grand kids go crazy over it........lots of fun.......

This is a good point actually because it brings up 2 types of people.

I'm not going to try to oversimplefy things and say there are *only* 2 types, but for the purposes of discussion lets assume it to be true.

Type 1 is in the majority and likes to be entertained via magic and just likes the experiance and doesnt really want to know how its done. Often some of the "magic" is lost when they find out methods. Also their true feelings about wanting to know might be masked because given the simple oppertunity(reading a post on a msg board they frequent or watching a TV show) they might accept the exposure, but in the end they'd rather just be amazed.

Type 2 is the type of person that really appriciates the secrets and work involved, they want to figure out effects because the methods amaze them, and if they had time would probably be magicians themselves. They are however the minority(at least from my experiance in the US)


My main arguement is that with the current world of information, a type-2 person can easily find information about magic by themselves from magic-related sources.

As such, I find that on non-magic forums and whatnot exposure should be kept to a minimum because of the type 1's that might come across it, and type-2's can easily find the information themselves.... so really no one is missing out with this system of non-exposure.

I'm not against teaching people magic, I'm against the un-needed and many times unwanted exposure that comes from many sources. One popular source is a self-rightious individual who feels it is their job to inform everyone about how its all simple tricks and misses no oppertunity to squash amazement in others.(no one here has exhibited this trait but I did want to bring it to people's attention that there are these types of people around and it *does* hurt people's appriciation for no reason other than selfishness)

-macgyver
ps to colin and others who posted methods: I am not saying any of you are the self-rightious individual I am talking about or that I have any say in what you do or do not expose or even that you really did something wrong.(Until you heard an opposiing opinion of why un-needed exposure is bad I don't expect anyone to spend much time thinking about it).

So please take these post not as guidelines on how you should act but rather as a different viewpoint on un-needed exposure and something to consider in the future when something like this comes up.

pps I also want to *slightly* disagree with donovon on the comparison between magic and pool again, because I feel again that magic is really an art of secrets and an economy of secrets and not a good comparison.

However his example does hold merit as the person who plays pool 5 times a year might not have the drive to learn the system, just as people on a pool forum might not have the drive to learn magical secrets...

I do support people getting into magic and I feel that all secrets both in pool and magic are availible to anyone with the drive to really learn them, I just oppose(in magic specifically) the notion that secrets should be exposed to those that dont have the drive to learn.

thanks all for reading and taking the time to re-examine your thoughts on things like this, as I know it is a subject that many don't have the chance to spend time thinking about.

 

[Colin Colenso]

Hi Macgyver,
I still think that the main reason this magician's code came into place and exists, and is re-inforced by the industry, is that it protects the revenues of those in the industry...or at least that is it's main intention.

I believe you are stating you opinions honestly and that they are altruistic, but I have doubt as to the ethical congruity of this compact.

I see wisdom in the following quote from Matt. 5:14-16.

Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven (Matt. 5:14-16).​

That does not mean I support all 'spoilers' who would make it their business to push the secrets of magic tricks onto others without their request for such knowledge. As I would find it inappropriate for someone to call out a joke's punchline halfway through an enjoyable presentation.

btw: I've met a few magicians who would not explain a trick without payment. For a few $, they soon forget the argument about maintaining the fascination. And the first thing they are likely to tell the buyer is the importance of the secrecy compact, so to keep their potential revenues maximized. Is not this economic incentive an important contributor to the ongoing promotion of the idea of maintaining secrecy.

There is exactly the same tradition among pool players. You had to learn their knowledge by playing them and studying them. Few would share the secrets they had learned from others or developed themselves. I see a lot of similarities here.

No offense intended..just my opinions...FWIW
Colin

This is a good point actually because it brings up 2 types of people.

I'm not going to try to oversimplefy things and say there are *only* 2 types, but for the purposes of discussion lets assume it to be true.

Type 1 is in the majority and likes to be entertained via magic and just likes the experiance and doesnt really want to know how its done. Often some of the "magic" is lost when they find out methods. Also their true feelings about wanting to know might be masked because given the simple oppertunity(reading a post on a msg board they frequent or watching a TV show) they might accept the exposure, but in the end they'd rather just be amazed.

Type 2 is the type of person that really appriciates the secrets and work involved, they want to figure out effects because the methods amaze them, and if they had time would probably be magicians themselves. They are however the minority(at least from my experiance in the US)


My main arguement is that with the current world of information, a type-2 person can easily find information about magic by themselves from magic-related sources.

As such, I find that on non-magic forums and whatnot exposure should be kept to a minimum because of the type 1's that might come across it, and type-2's can easily find the information themselves.... so really no one is missing out with this system of non-exposure.

I'm not against teaching people magic, I'm against the un-needed and many times unwanted exposure that comes from many sources. One popular source is a self-rightious individual who feels it is their job to inform everyone about how its all simple tricks and misses no oppertunity to squash amazement in others.(no one here has exhibited this trait but I did want to bring it to people's attention that there are these types of people around and it *does* hurt people's appriciation for no reason other than selfishness)

-macgyver
ps to colin and others who posted methods: I am not saying any of you are the self-rightious individual I am talking about or that I have any say in what you do or do not expose or even that you really did something wrong.(Until you heard an opposiing opinion of why un-needed exposure is bad I don't expect anyone to spend much time thinking about it).

So please take these post not as guidelines on how you should act but rather as a different viewpoint on un-needed exposure and something to consider in the future when something like this comes up.

pps I also want to *slightly* disagree with donovon on the comparison between magic and pool again, because I feel again that magic is really an art of secrets and an economy of secrets and not a good comparison.

However his example does hold merit as the person who plays pool 5 times a year might not have the drive to learn the system, just as people on a pool forum might not have the drive to learn magical secrets...

I do support people getting into magic and I feel that all secrets both in pool and magic are availible to anyone with the drive to really learn them, I just oppose(in magic specifically) the notion that secrets should be exposed to those that dont have the drive to learn.

thanks all for reading and taking the time to re-examine your thoughts on things like this, as I know it is a subject that many don't have the chance to spend time thinking about.