Keep trolling, troll. You got the 7.
APA 8 Ball Proposition Bet
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Keep trolling, troll. You got the 7.
LOL. Son? You clearly a 20 year old kid with a big mouth. Maybe a big game, I'm willing to find out. I have better things in life than a back & forth with you on AZ. Colorado Springs, Antique Billiards. Only guy named Preston. Or Vegas, BCA Nationals at the Rio for 10 days in July. Post on here or pm me. You got action from me.
Again, no chance I ask for this spot. It doesn't matter who I play, I'm supposed to win this cause other guy shouldn't get to shoot more times than not and asking for this spot is nitty. But maybe I don't ask cause: 1. I don't have any money, 2. I choke for the cash, 3. I don't play good.
Find out, son.
Lot's of interesting banter for a pretty simple question. APA 7 in 8 ball could be anyone who just popped up from 6 all the way up to semi-pro. What I'm talking about though is a guy who's been a 7 for a few years and is still playing in the APA regularly
In my experience 7s don't stick around to play in the APA very long because handicapping them into a match means you've got to play some low level player to come in at 23. 7s stop playing APA because they can end up several weeks not playing at all and would rather move into BCA where they get to play every night and against better opponents. Playing against a 3 every time you get put up is boring and turns you sloppy!
I've seen some reasonable %ages put out here. 80% is what my gut tells me and several of you seem to feel the same so let's go with that hypothesis.
If you know that you can run out 80% of the time consistently what sort of spread are you willing to give to prove it. If I pay you $20 every time you win and you pay $80 every time you miss then over an ideal 5 games where you win 4 out of 5 (80%) we end up dead even in the money. But you don't want to end up dead even, do you? And I don't want to shovel money into your pocket on an even bet so where is the money line?
2 to 1 (I pay $20, you pay $40) tells me that your 80% is really 67%. So maybe this 7 over here is willing to go 20/50 because he knows his 80% is solid and he'll end up stealing my money. Are you willing to trump him and split 20/60?
That's what I'm curious about.
And as for APA players not gambling? You're right. Most won't put real money on the line because most APA players are in the 3-5 range, play for the fun of it and they aren't stupid enough to think they can beat a stranger trying to hustle some fast cash. However, there are enough of 6s and 7s in any league who'll be happy to gamble. If you can't find them then you need to work on your people skills.
I had the pleasure of watching a friend of mine (APA 6) play a guy who showed up with a backer - $100 8 ball games, even. My friend won 3 straight and his backer called it off. I guess he didn't expect to be playing that year's State champion!
In my experience 7s don't stick around to play in the APA very long because handicapping them into a match means you've got to play some low level player to come in at 23. 7s stop playing APA because they can end up several weeks not playing at all and would rather move into BCA where they get to play every night and against better opponents. Playing against a 3 every time you get put up is boring and turns you sloppy!
I've seen some reasonable %ages put out here. 80% is what my gut tells me and several of you seem to feel the same so let's go with that hypothesis.
If you know that you can run out 80% of the time consistently what sort of spread are you willing to give to prove it. If I pay you $20 every time you win and you pay $80 every time you miss then over an ideal 5 games where you win 4 out of 5 (80%) we end up dead even in the money. But you don't want to end up dead even, do you? And I don't want to shovel money into your pocket on an even bet so where is the money line?
2 to 1 (I pay $20, you pay $40) tells me that your 80% is really 67%. So maybe this 7 over here is willing to go 20/50 because he knows his 80% is solid and he'll end up stealing my money. Are you willing to trump him and split 20/60?
That's what I'm curious about.
And as for APA players not gambling? You're right. Most won't put real money on the line because most APA players are in the 3-5 range, play for the fun of it and they aren't stupid enough to think they can beat a stranger trying to hustle some fast cash. However, there are enough of 6s and 7s in any league who'll be happy to gamble. If you can't find them then you need to work on your people skills.
I had the pleasure of watching a friend of mine (APA 6) play a guy who showed up with a backer - $100 8 ball games, even. My friend won 3 straight and his backer called it off. I guess he didn't expect to be playing that year's State champion!
You play APA as an honest 7. We're playing on a 7ft bar box.
We rack a nine ball rack but with the 8 in the center spot, you break. If the 8 ball falls, it gets spotted. After the break, the 9 comes off the table and you get ball in hand.
The bet is: if you can run out (call shot, no APA slop) - in any order - and sink the 8 ball last, I pay you "X" and if you don't, you pay me "Y".
What's the X and Y in this equation?
My question here is one of odds. What's the % of an honest APA 7 running 8 with ball in hand? If we can hypothesize that a 7 should run it 75% of the time then I should pay you $25 when you earn it and you should pay me $75 if you fail to make it. For example: we play this 4 times in an ideal world and you will succeed 3 times and fail once. The result is: we're dead even on the money - $75/$75.
So: what % should an honest 7 run out in this situation? Consider clusters: 7 footers can end up with all sorts of clusters and blocked pockets. What's an APA 7's run out percentage?
Disclaimer: APA does not condone gambling -- nor do I
I don't know what kind of skill level an APA 7 would be, but I know that in my poolhall you could offer this game to any high B at the 75% you stipulated and you'd go broke so fast you wouldn't know what hit you. 95/5 would probably be more fair, still I'd be apprehensive about offering anyone this game.
plenty of guys in memphis have no problem gambling. here is what i have seen personally in the last few months.
apa 7 vs a 6. race 10 -8 playing 10 ball on 9'ers for 1,000.00
same 7 playing another 6 ...9 ball race 10-7 for 800.00 on a 9'
seen another 7 playing a money league player 9 ball on a bar box 20.00 a rack. the apa 7 walked out with 400.00.
seen a 7 vs a 6 playing apa points 9 ball for 50.00 a match. on the bar table . the 7 won 8 matches and the 6 won 2. .....i was keeping ssore
heck i even saw a 5vs a 4 on the 9'ers for 100.00 race to 5.
i have heard of several others who gamble weekly.
you would have to be mad at your money to offer several apa players i know all the breaks and the last 3....you would never get to the table.
63 posts and I'm surprised no one has mentioned that the APA offers both 8-ball and 9-ball leagues. Using a player's 8-ball SL handicap to rate 9-ball is fundamentally flawed. For starters, APA 9-ball handicap skill level goes up to 9, versus 7 for 8-ball.
If you really want to rate APA players on 9-ball, then you should look at their 9-ball SL ratings first. In my opinion, Player A, SL 7 in 8-ball and SL 9 in 9-ball is going to consistently play better in 9-ball than Player B (SL 7 in 8-ball, and SL 7 in 9-ball).
From my neck of the woods, I've seen players as low as C+ ranked as SL 7 in 8-ball. It could be different in other areas. I had one open level skilled player told me as an SL 7, he went undefeated for two years. As long as he paid his dues, and didn't cause a problem for the league operator; meaning complaints from other team captains, they let him play.
If you really want to rate APA players on 9-ball, then you should look at their 9-ball SL ratings first. In my opinion, Player A, SL 7 in 8-ball and SL 9 in 9-ball is going to consistently play better in 9-ball than Player B (SL 7 in 8-ball, and SL 7 in 9-ball).
From my neck of the woods, I've seen players as low as C+ ranked as SL 7 in 8-ball. It could be different in other areas. I had one open level skilled player told me as an SL 7, he went undefeated for two years. As long as he paid his dues, and didn't cause a problem for the league operator; meaning complaints from other team captains, they let him play.
all my gambling has been in bars playing 8 ball even. i have never received any kind of spot or gave any.
i got to thinking about the spot you claim you are willing to give.
i am assuming you are talking about bar box 9 ball. all the breaks and the last 3 ? i am only a 5 and would take that bet. come to memphis please... i could use some extra cash to do some winter mods on my bike. :grin:
You didn't say 7's. You said you would give the last 3 and the breaks to any ApA player cause they won't gamble. You are deceived my friend. Unless your top 20 in the country then you are going broke against a few I will stake. And also, if by some chance you give that game to Mr. UWATE then you can get my cash as well......:wink:
APA Players
You need to realize that there are APA 7s in 8 Ball that are APA 9s in 9 ball. I know several APA 7s that will play you even and will probably beat you. If you don't believe me just bring a few thousand to the next APA National event and I will get the best players for the the action you want. They will show you their drivers license and APA ID card to prove who they are.
By the way what is your name? I want to make sure you don't bring somebody else and say this is Cashplayer. You can see my real name in my avatar. So who are you?
You need to realize that there are APA 7s in 8 Ball that are APA 9s in 9 ball. I know several APA 7s that will play you even and will probably beat you. If you don't believe me just bring a few thousand to the next APA National event and I will get the best players for the the action you want. They will show you their drivers license and APA ID card to prove who they are.
By the way what is your name? I want to make sure you don't bring somebody else and say this is Cashplayer. You can see my real name in my avatar. So who are you?
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I believe racking a 9 ball rack and removing the 9 ball after the break and getting ball in hand and then shoot the remaining balls in any order should be a good challenge only to see how many racks in a row you can make. The proper bet then would be based on how many racks in a row. Say even money for a 5 pack 2 to 1 for the player for a 10 pack etc. I don't know what even money would be (3 pack, 5 pack, 7 pack etc). But this would be the way to bet this challenge.
You could also bet among each other to who could run the most racks.
You could also bet among each other to who could run the most racks.
I got a sure bet. Cashplayer remains anonymous. Doesn't want to scare off his action
.Lyn
Problem with this idea is that it does not answer the question of what an APA 7's run out percentage is on a barbox for 8 ball with all the opponents balls cleared and ball in hand. 8 ball and 9 ball are very different games and involve different skill sets. 9 ball capability is not a very good indicator of 8 ball capability. IMHO.
KMRUNOUT
Lol...Gary Abood played APA for a while. I know he's in LA. Let's see how anyone on this thread likes playing him bar box 8 ball lol.
KMRUNOUT
I believe the *average* APA 7 is a B player. I would say there are LOTS of strong C players who are 7's in the APA. There are also plenty of guys that play low grade pro speed. I would say the number of legit A players in the APA is fairly small. So the typical APA 7 might be a little over 50%. I mean, I see 7's fail to get out on easy layouts all the time. I am one of the stronger 7's in my area, and probably a solid A. My guess if if I were really bearing down and it was a sloppy valley, I might be about 85% or so, maybe 90%. Now I want to try this because its easy to imagine it being easier than it is.
For reference purposes, on an average difficulty 9' Gold Crown IV, I'm maybe 60% against the 9 ball ghost in a race to 9, maybe a hair less.
KMRUNOUT
I could make a few phone calls and have more than a dozen short stops, that played in the APA, show up to steal from this Cashplayer chump.
Where's bigtruck at?!? He knows who I'm talking about. He's been to Big Easy plenty. New Orleans is crawling with sleepers; the APA 7's that have too much money and not a care in the world. 'Cashplayer' want's action, this thread is crawling with action...
When Scott Frost was in town, he wanted to play some of the 'APA 7's' down here. :thumbup:
I gotta hand it to him, though. This is the most action I've seen on AzB in a while :rotflmao:
Cashplayer
Banned
Troll...suck it dude.
You wouldn't bet water is wet. I know your type.
Trying to have a conversation here. Go swill a few more beers and impress those APA 2 beauties with your game.
Cashplayer
Banned
Probably all 3. You had no problem coming up with excuses though. Heart of a champion.
Again, no more back and forth with you. I've given you 2 options to play me. <-----Just some lowly APA player.
Me thinks you overestimated his age after his last post. Still think the big money should be on when and if cashplayer states his real name on this thread. Talk is cheap. On both sides.
Lyn