APA and jump cues

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tucson9ball

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I saw a thread earlier that talked about using jump cues in the APA. They were discussing you could only jump with the cue you normally use.I just wanted to let people know that in the "Masters" division I copied this from the rule book.

h. Jump Cues – The use of jump cues is allowed in Masters Division play.
Be aware that even though Masters’ rules allow for the use of jump cues,
Local League Bylaws or Host Location “house rules” may choose to
limit or strictly prohibit their use.

Hope this clears up any jump issues if you are going to Vegas next month for Masters competition. If you are, good luck to all.:thumbup:
 
gizmodog said:
Jump cues are allowed in the local APA that I shoot in.
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then that is a local bylaw that your LO has decided to use. in the rule book and at the national events (and in most local ares) jump cues are not permited. the rules clearly state you may only jump with the cue you shoot with. you may break with a different cue but once you switch to your game cue, that is the one you must execute the jump with.
 
Jump cues are also allowed at mine.

Put a push-out in the rule book, allow jump cues... maybe a few other suggestions?.. and the APA is getting close too where it needs to be.
 
there not allowed in maryland and WV leagues for some reason. i posted a poll on the website and almost 300 people voted that are league members. 40% voted yes to the jump cues should be allowed, 40% voted they didn't mind if there were used, and the other 20% said no. my little measily poll won't change the rule, but it's up the the league office in your area altimately i guess. all qualifiers and tourney's here in maryland you are not allowed to use jump cues, just your full length LEATHER tipped cue you shoot with during the match.
 
Jumpers aren't allowed in mine. In tournaments they don't even let you use your break cue to jump with which to me is ridiculous.
 
gunzby said:
Jumpers aren't allowed in mine. In tournaments they don't even let you use your break cue to jump with which to me is ridiculous.
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I use my break cue to shoot jump shots in handicapped APA league matches. I've done it many times and it was within the rules. Does the APA have some separate rule about that doesn't allow you to jump with your break cue in tournaments, or is this some house rule or local bylaw?
 
gunzby said:
Jumpers aren't allowed in mine. In tournaments they don't even let you use your break cue to jump with which to me is ridiculous.
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Interesting how leagues vary on rules. I use my break cue to jump when necessary in my league. I have asked the operator. He says its legal. Hmmmm maybe I should break with my jump cue:confused:
 
The APA claims that jump cues give high skill level players an unfair advantage over low skill level players. This is complete nonsense, and that is their excuse for now allowing jump cues in handicapped matches. I'm a SL7 and I've never been in a situation where I would have an unfair advantage against a low skill level player from shooting a jump shot using a jump cue. I have bitten in the ass several times playing against other SL6 or above players being forced to go for some impossible kick because I couldn't use my jump cue. I give ball in hand and my opponent runs 2 racks where I could have made an easy hit with a dart stroke using a jump cue.

If the APA really gave a sh!t about its members, and if this rule actually made any sense, they would allow jump cues in any match where 2 SL6 or above players were matched up.
 
poolfoole said:
I use my break cue to shoot jump shots in handicapped APA league matches. I've done it many times and it was within the rules. Does the APA have some separate rule about that doesn't allow you to jump with your break cue in tournaments, or is this some house rule or local bylaw?
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it is in the official rule book. the official rule is no jump cues and you can't change cues to execute a jump, you can only use your cue that you actually shoot the games with. those are the rules you will have to abide by in vegas. the following is taken from pg.40 of the 2008/2009 - 2009/2010 rule book under the section "equipment"
"in general, any piece of equipment designed specifically for pocket billiards, with the exception of jump cues and laser devices, is acceptable in apa league play. special equipment, such as bridges and cue extenders are legal. jump shots are legal, when executed properly (see jump shots described in definitions), but such shots must be attempted using your regular game cue (see regular game cue described in definitions). those cues especially designed for jump shots may not be used in competition. players are not allowed to break down thier cues to attempt jump shots."
pg 97 definition - regular game cue
"the cue used for the majority of shots in your match."
pg 95 definition - local bylaws
"local bylaws are additional rules, policies, and procedures unique to an area. they are designed to cover local situations, such as exactly how the scoresheets are picked up and delivered, local league times and the like. local bylaws also might cover specific situations, such as, how tri cups or qualifier cups effect advancememt into higher level tournaments. local bylaws may also contradict portions of this manual, especially in the general rules section, but only with the approval of the apa. local bylaws are normally written by the league operator and the board of govenors.""
i originally thought the lo had the right to make his own rule but after reading that closely i am not sure he can change that.
 
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poolfoole said:
The APA claims that jump cues give high skill level players an unfair advantage over low skill level players. This is complete nonsense, and that is their excuse for now allowing jump cues in handicapped matches. I'm a SL7 and I've never been in a situation where I would have an unfair advantage against a low skill level player from shooting a jump shot using a jump cue. I have bitten in the ass several times playing against other SL6 or above players being forced to go for some impossible kick because I couldn't use my jump cue. I give ball in hand and my opponent runs 2 racks where I could have made an easy hit with a dart stroke using a jump cue.

If the APA really gave a sh!t about its members, and if this rule actually made any sense, they would allow jump cues in any match where 2 SL6 or above players were matched up.
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i have to say i think it would give an advantage over lower ranked players. i can't count how many times a lower player has lucked into a safe that i could have jumed out of, whereas when i have safed a less skilled player, no cue in the world would have helped them because they wouldn't know what to do with it. in a match between to higher ranked players i think maybe 5 and above i don't think it makes a difference i say we should be able to use them.
 
How about this for a proposed rule change to the APA? If two players in the black or purple tiers (SL 6 or 7 in 8-ball, SL 6, 7, 8 or 9 in 9-ball) play each other, not only should jump cues be legal (as long as the location allows it), and the push-out rule in 9-ball is allowed. The push-out is a very strategic opportunity in 9-ball and who knows, it might help other players who are not familiar with it learn how they can take advantage of that opportunity. If the APA's argument is that it gives the higher skill level player the advantage, take that argument away and allow them if two higher skill level players are playing each other. Thoughts? I still don't like the, "You are what you sink," rule, but I can at least deal with it.
 
Predator5K4 said:
How about this for a proposed rule change to the APA? If two players in the black or purple tiers (SL 6 or 7 in 8-ball, SL 6, 7, 8 or 9 in 9-ball) play each other, not only should jump cues be legal (as long as the location allows it), and the push-out rule in 9-ball is allowed. The push-out is a very strategic opportunity in 9-ball and who knows, it might help other players who are not familiar with it learn how they can take advantage of that opportunity. If the APA's argument is that it gives the higher skill level player the advantage, take that argument away and allow them if two higher skill level players are playing each other. Thoughts? I still don't like the, "You are what you sink," rule, but I can at least deal with it.
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i'd like to go one further - i'd like to have the three foul rule in effect for higher level players. especially if we would be able to use jump cues.
 
JayBaltimore said:
there not allowed in maryland and WV leagues for some reason. i posted a poll on the website and almost 300 people voted that are league members. 40% voted yes to the jump cues should be allowed, 40% voted they didn't mind if there were used, and the other 20% said no. my little measily poll won't change the rule, but it's up the the league office in your area altimately i guess. all qualifiers and tourney's here in maryland you are not allowed to use jump cues, just your full length LEATHER tipped cue you shoot with during the match.
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I play APA 9 ball in Frederick, MD, and the local rules are that you can jump with your normal cue or your break cue.

Of note, there is an additional rule that states your grip hand cannot go above your shoulder.
 
whitewolf said:
I play APA 9 ball in Frederick, MD, and the local rules are that you can jump with your normal cue or your break cue.

Of note, there is an additional rule that states your grip hand cannot go above your shoulder.
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your's must be an exception, if your in Frederick, then you must shoot at the Green Room, where your not allowed jump cues or jumping with your breaker during playoffs or in vegas.
 
APA Masters....

So, it looks like everybody or at least the majority of people like jump cues. Simple solution, get out of that handicap league and get your butts in a Masters Division. Get those jumpers out a jump away.;)
Also, it's much easier to keep score. All you have to do in Masters is mark a win or loss, no innings to keep track of.:D
 
Predator5K4 said:
How about this for a proposed rule change to the APA? If two players in the black or purple tiers (SL 6 or 7 in 8-ball, SL 6, 7, 8 or 9 in 9-ball) play each other, not only should jump cues be legal (as long as the location allows it), and the push-out rule in 9-ball is allowed. The push-out is a very strategic opportunity in 9-ball and who knows, it might help other players who are not familiar with it learn how they can take advantage of that opportunity. If the APA's argument is that it gives the higher skill level player the advantage, take that argument away and allow them if two higher skill level players are playing each other. Thoughts? I still don't like the, "You are what you sink," rule, but I can at least deal with it.
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I think those are great ideas. After all, the whole reason the APA doesn't allow push outs or jump cues is because both allegedly give an advantage to a higher skill level player playing a low skill level player. They absolutely should allow jump cues between to SL6 or above players, given their alleged reasoning for not allowing jump cues. I didn't think about the push out rule but I really like that too. :thumbup:
 
jrt30004 said:
i'd like to go one further - i'd like to have the three foul rule in effect for higher level players. especially if we would be able to use jump cues.
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I like including the three foul rule, as well. Higher skill level players may be able to recognize when it should or should not be pursued. It also gets away from a couple of 2's or 3's spending an hour and a half trying to 3 Foul each other, or a lower level player losing a game simply becuase they don't kick well, nothing to do with the opponent's skill. We should be cautious, however, that with these proposed potential rule changes, we might start actually playing pool in the APA. Joke. . . kind of.
 
I contacted the apa headquarters directly. They said I could switch cues anytime during a match. I am allowed to switch from my playing cue to my break cue in order to jump with the hard tip of the break cue. I cannot use a jump cue. The rule says regular playing cue, but headquarters said this includes the break cue.
 
kaznj said:
I contacted the apa headquarters directly. They said I could switch cues anytime during a match. I am allowed to switch from my playing cue to my break cue in order to jump with the hard tip of the break cue. I cannot use a jump cue. The rule says regular playing cue, but headquarters said this includes the break cue.
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i'd love to know who you spoke to because my earlier post is a direct quote from thier own rule book given to all team captains to cover play extending into 2010 and thier rules contradict your above statment. when you say you called apa headquarters, do you mean national or your local L.O.? i can tell you that hear in atlanta if you grab for your break cue to execute a jump and actually take the shot, whether or not you make good contact you just gave up ball in hand.
 
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