I knew it! My little love notes in the comments section to the APA LO staffers is paying off!!!!
Brian
APA Handicap system - how does it work
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I knew it! My little love notes in the comments section to the APA LO staffers is paying off!!!!
Brian
Are you ending those notes with "xoxo"? If not, it doesn't count.
The only thing you need to know is you join a team. Pay your dues and get a ranking. When you play your match you either give a spot or are given one. Play your best. If you win a lot you may move up a notch. If you lose a lot you may move down. If you are satisfied with being a low skilled player great, if not practice more and have the satisfaction of moving up or moving down if you really get good at hiding your skill.
The key words are "play your best" and "may". Enjoy a evening out and be a good competitor, team mate, and don't get upset over things that won't mean anything in another 100 years or maybe even tomorrow or next week.
Anything the APA wants you to know about the handicap is in the handbook. :rotflmao1:
The key words are "play your best" and "may". Enjoy a evening out and be a good competitor, team mate, and don't get upset over things that won't mean anything in another 100 years or maybe even tomorrow or next week.
Anything the APA wants you to know about the handicap is in the handbook. :rotflmao1:
I just got my score sheets for week 2 and was a bit shocked at the updated skill levels.
Myself and another(Joe) are first time APA league players so we both were level 4s for the first week.
I played a 5. I won 3-1 in 20 innings not factoring in the 7 safeties he played on me. Yes, both score sheets matched.
Joe is a good shot, but most of you would call him a banger. Hard hitter, little position play, little english (except draw). He played a woman (skl 3) who was new to APA and the sport. She was terrible and Joe beat her 3-0 in 18 innings, no safeties.
The new skill levels are......
Joe 6
Me 4
I just don't get it. I even contacted my League Commissioner to see if there was any error. Nope.
Myself and another(Joe) are first time APA league players so we both were level 4s for the first week.
I played a 5. I won 3-1 in 20 innings not factoring in the 7 safeties he played on me. Yes, both score sheets matched.
Joe is a good shot, but most of you would call him a banger. Hard hitter, little position play, little english (except draw). He played a woman (skl 3) who was new to APA and the sport. She was terrible and Joe beat her 3-0 in 18 innings, no safeties.
The new skill levels are......
Joe 6
Me 4
I just don't get it. I even contacted my League Commissioner to see if there was any error. Nope.
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Are you positive you put in the correct player number for the names? From what I know of how the system is calculated he should have stayed a 4 and you should have gone to a 6. Unless Joe had a break and run, that can favor in a lot in the score.
That does not make sense at all...
Brian
Joe was a late add-in, so he didn't have a player # on the sheet.
I know it makes no sense, but the league commish reviewed it and told me that the levels are valid.
Joe is a 4 at best. I should probably be in the high 5, low 6 range unless I start practicing nightly again. I just don't wanna be that guy who gets accused of sandbagging, especially being the captain of the team.
If you don't want to be accused of sand bagging tell the office that you should be a high 5.
Brian
It doesn't work. Everybody dumps and loses on purposes to make a good team in Vegas.:thumbup:
Here's how my APA rating career has gone...
First, let me say that I HATE, HATE, HATE handicaps but I decided to play to help a friend out who wanted an anchor for a shot at Vegas...
I told the team I wouldn't sandbag and that if they had a problem with that I was done, no hard feelings...
So, on my first night I am entitled to come in as a 4, but they mark me as a 5 so that there won't be a problem with the other team...
I play a 7 and he LEGITIMATELY beats me on the hill... We both played well, but he won... Period...
The next week I am a 4...
I am matched up against another 4 and I break and run 2 out of the three racks and win 3-0...
The following week I am a 7 and I have never been anything but since...
True story...
So, although I know there is a "formula" in place I also think there are some very arbitrary decisions on rankings based on player reputation, known ability, etc...
First, let me say that I HATE, HATE, HATE handicaps but I decided to play to help a friend out who wanted an anchor for a shot at Vegas...
I told the team I wouldn't sandbag and that if they had a problem with that I was done, no hard feelings...
So, on my first night I am entitled to come in as a 4, but they mark me as a 5 so that there won't be a problem with the other team...
I play a 7 and he LEGITIMATELY beats me on the hill... We both played well, but he won... Period...
The next week I am a 4...
I am matched up against another 4 and I break and run 2 out of the three racks and win 3-0...
The following week I am a 7 and I have never been anything but since...
True story...
So, although I know there is a "formula" in place I also think there are some very arbitrary decisions on rankings based on player reputation, known ability, etc...
Rotarded...You stated that you and 'Joe' are new players. You also stated that this happened in the 2nd week of the session. You won't have any kind of reasonable s/l ranking until you have played 10 matches. Then the scores for all 10 will be averaged. By the time you have played 20 matches (at least one full session, plus playoffs), your s/l is figured on the best 10 out of 20 scores (btw, you can lose and still have a "good" score). Right now, expect the s/l's to go up and down, according to what happens over the next several weeks of play.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
From what I understand new players are always ranked a 4 and play a race to 3. It doesn't matter what the other player's skill level is. The first match is alway a race to 3. It will take 10 matches to really get a "good honest ranking". The formula uses a rolling best 5 of the last ten matches. Until you get 10 matches the formula will throw out a certain number of the matches and keep only the best. EG if you played 3 matches it might only use the best 2. 4 matches may also keep the best 2, 5 might be the best 3 and etc. I was also told you will not move more than 1 level up or down in one week after the 10 matches are in.
Last night I talked with a guy about talk of a APA franchise that is for sale in a area near me. He actually had some interest in purchasing it and had talked with the local owner. Bottom line is we came to the conclusion the handicrap system is buried somewhere in the APA Computer program and is done automatic. But then I don't think I am telling any thing that wasn't public knowledge already.
I talked with our Divison Rep last night. He told me about the 10ish games before your handicap will be accurate.
Joe(6) ended up playing him (5) last night. It actually went 8 games with Joe losing 4-4 in 28 innings, although Joe's opponent had 2 early eights and gave a ball in hand 8-ball.
I (4) played a 3 and easily beat him 3-0 in 9 innings. The other team was very cool with me about the whole situation.
The APA handicap matrix was posted on here a few years back I am not sure how far back they archive? It was also posted on the inside pool forum as well. One of the biggest problems is that the League Operator is required to enter all of the score sheets them selves. If they have a number of teams and little spare time this could mean that your handicap could be running weeks or months behind, or your handicapping matrix may not be getting entered at all at times. Most people don't realize how much work an APA league really is.
That's why they get PAID to do the job. If they don't have the time to do it properly they shouldn't be doing it at all. It's not like they are volunteering out of the kindness of their own hearts to do this. Not entering sheets timely is IMHO the equivalent of running a mail order business and taking the money for the product but not sending it out for two weeks because you've been busy.
I'd bet if the APA LO's would be required by the National office to enter score sheets for all matches before the cash for said matches could be deposited in the bank score sheets would be entered the day they were received...
Brian
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I am fairly certain that the APA handicap system was developed by Kevin Trudeau....please just trust it.
The APA is the league that the government and large pharmaceutical companies do NOT want you to know about...please send them your money and trust them, it will teach the government a lesson.
I'm sure the handicap system is much too reliable, accurate, and complicated for us to understand, so it is quite normal for them not to tell us....please just send them your money and trust them.
Those other leagues don't want you to know how wonderful the APA's system is...that's why you should send the APA your money, and trust them.
The APA is the league that the government and large pharmaceutical companies do NOT want you to know about...please send them your money and trust them, it will teach the government a lesson.
I'm sure the handicap system is much too reliable, accurate, and complicated for us to understand, so it is quite normal for them not to tell us....please just send them your money and trust them.
Those other leagues don't want you to know how wonderful the APA's system is...that's why you should send the APA your money, and trust them.
If they own and run an APA franchise, it better not be a spare time endevour. What do you mean the "League Operator is required to enter all the score sheets them selves"? Do you really think every APA league is a one person operation and that they are not allowed to hire people to run the league?
Scott maybe you or someone else can answer.
I don't play APA anymore but I wanted to know how the SLs are calculated not to "sandbag" but how to reach the next SL. I don't need the formula but if there's something you or somebody knows.
I started a 4 like every male player and remained a SL8 for the next 3 years. I was running out from a "open" table consistently. I don't remember my winning percentage but it was 50% or better. The only things I could figure (no idea if I was right)".
I only played APA 9 ball.
1. Safeties weren't counted (scorekeepers weren't always the most knowledgeable players).
2. I went through a spell one season on the break (not making a ball, scratching or no shot on the lowest ball).
3. The opposing player SL wasn't always the highest I might play a 7, 8, or 9 but a lot of the time I played a 3 or lower kind of treated like a throw away game for the other team.
Any advice is appreciated.