APA Jump Ruling at Singles!

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Watching match in May
Player asked Senior Ref. what is rule on Jump shot ?
Ref allowed him to change to his break cue and jump ball'
He was successful and won match!

I talked to Ref. after match for clarification!
He stated the way APA refs in Vegas are ruling is that you can change sticks and attempt jump but next shot has to be done by using the stick you used to jump ball.
yes you can use a break jump stick but you cannot break down,
phenyl tips are OK!
I asked him if this is a national+local rule he said it depends on your local by-laws!
Clear as mud still!
 
Basically there is no rule. :rolleyes:

fish on said:
Watching match in May
Player asked Senior Ref. what is rule on Jump shot ?
Ref allowed him to change to his break cue and jump ball'
He was successful and won match!

I talked to Ref. after match for clarification!
He stated the way APA refs in Vegas are ruling is that you can change sticks and attempt jump but next shot has to be done by using the stick you used to jump ball.
yes you can use a break jump stick but you cannot break down,
phenyl tips are OK!
I asked him if this is a national+local rule he said it depends on your local by-laws!
Clear as mud still!
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From what I've heard from my LO (OnePocketChamp), they are changing the rule to not allow the changing of a cue (even to your break cue) to attempt a jump shot. You must jump with your player.
 
i have been a referee the last two years at the team event in august and the rule i have been told from the tournament director is that you can change cues to jump with but you must shoot the next shot with that same cue and it can not be a three piece cue that you switch to..
 
In our APA league you could jump with another cue but you couldnt break it down if the handle is on it. In other words if you break cue is a jump/break you have to leave it like it is. Then you can change back to your cue for the next shot. Just cant break it down, unless you break with your cue and already have the handle off the J/B.
 
So, if I am not mistaken...APA 9 ball rules do not have a pushout, right? You are forced to kick or jump if you get hooked on the break?

And jump sticks are not allowed?

I knew there was a reason I quit APA 9 ball after two nights....

Russ
 
Russ Chewning said:
So, if I am not mistaken...APA 9 ball rules do not have a pushout, right? You are forced to kick or jump if you get hooked on the break?

And jump sticks are not allowed?

I knew there was a reason I quit APA 9 ball after two nights....

Russ
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Atleast at ours there is no pushout, and you can jump with a different cue than the one you shoot with but cant break the stick down to jump. If you just broke with it and need to jump on the next shot, you have to leave the handle on and try to jump. Breaking it down is some kind of penalty, not sure what kind.
 
In this area....you are allowed to switch cues to a full length cue (such as your break cue) to jump a ball. You just can't take any section off the cue or add anything. You may then shoot the next shot with your regular playing cue. Thats why in this area I've had to make many 14-15oz j/b's for top league players. The ultra light j/b makes jumping balls with a full cue almost as easy as if you could break it down.
 
Basically, just learn to jump with your full cue and any shot too close that you can't accomplish, then just learn how to kick.

If there is some rule about shooting the next shot with the cue you jumped with, then that will be lame. Either allow the jump cue or not. APA, quit balancing on the fence about it.
 
Varney Cues said:
In this area....you are allowed to switch cues to a full length cue (such as your break cue) to jump a ball. You just can't take any section off the cue or add anything. You may then shoot the next shot with your regular playing cue. Thats why in this area I've had to make many 14-15oz j/b's for top league players. The ultra light j/b makes jumping balls with a full cue almost as easy as if you could break it down.
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I bought a cheap sneaky pete on eBay for $10 plus $20 shipping. I got it in the 15 ounce weight, installed a White Diamond tip on it, and that baby jumps just fine... Breaks plenty strong too. If I had to play with it normally, it would be possible to get used to the setup.

Flex
 
What if you used a cue with a hollow butt. Just put a weight balance system in it, and you can easily change the balance from break to jump. It will be the perfect jump/break cue for APA matches.
 
fish on said:
Watching match in May
Player asked Senior Ref. what is rule on Jump shot ?
Ref allowed him to change to his break cue and jump ball'
He was successful and won match!

I talked to Ref. after match for clarification!
He stated the way APA refs in Vegas are ruling is that you can change sticks and attempt jump but next shot has to be done by using the stick you used to jump ball.
yes you can use a break jump stick but you cannot break down,
phenyl tips are OK!
I asked him if this is a national+local rule he said it depends on your local by-laws!
Clear as mud still!
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I hope you were watching my match!

I made a jump, with shape on the 8 and the ref told me I had to use the cue I jumped with for the next shot, just one, so if I had another solid left and then the eight, I could have used my playing cue for the eight.
 
Skywlker said:
i have been a referee the last two years at the team event in august and the rule i have been told from the tournament director is that you can change cues to jump with but you must shoot the next shot with that same cue and it can not be a three piece cue that you switch to..
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It can be a three piece cue, just in its full state.
 
I think this thread is sufficient evidence regarding how stupid APA rules are. Seriously, it's time for a revision. Either you allow jump cues and you can switch cues OR no jump cues and you use one cue throughout the match. You can't switch to your break cue, that's just dumb. Anyone who has ever jumped a ball with a Stinger cue knows that the cue doesn't need to be short in order for it to be a jump cue.
 
Russ Chewning said:
So, if I am not mistaken...APA 9 ball rules do not have a pushout, right? You are forced to kick or jump if you get hooked on the break?
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yep the 2 most HORRIBLE rules in APA, these two rules virtually ruin the entire league.

1. No pushout

2. the "23 rule"

teh mad suck.
 
Beware_of_Dawg said:
yep the 2 most HORRIBLE rules in APA, these two rules virtually ruin the entire league.

1. No pushout

2. the "23 rule"

teh mad suck.
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Yeah, this goes back to what I've been saying all along about the APA. It's time for a complete rulebook overhaul. They need to get in line with the rest of the pool community and start playing by the same rules as everyone else. I mean, could you imagine if Minor League Baseball decided to reverse the bases? That's how insane the APA rulebook is.
 
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