APA no 3 Foul Rule Question.

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plainbutt

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The game is 8 ball with opponent on the 8 and the 8 is clustered with my last ball. He purposely shoots to miss. I get BIH and plays a soft safety. He again misses on purpose. I take BIH and again play a soft safety. He again shoots and on purpose misses. I finally attempted a bank, missed and he gets out.

What happens with no 3 foul rule if I played to miss, also? At what point does this become a stalemate? Or is this considered unsportsmen?
 
If there was a 3 foul rule....

Only one person can get to 3 fouls first. You'd have had to made him aware he was on 2 at the time and then the following foul should be considered #3.
 
plainbutt said:
The game is 8 ball with opponent on the 8 and the 8 is clustered with my last ball. He purposely shoots to miss. I get BIH and plays a soft safety. He again misses on purpose. I take BIH and again play a soft safety. He again shoots and on purpose misses. I finally attempted a bank, missed and he gets out.

What happens with no 3 foul rule if I played to miss, also? At what point does this become a stalemate? Or is this considered unsportsmen?
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Iirc, if neither player believes that they can really do anything, it can be a rerack if you both agree to it.
 
The APA rule is that if neither player can or wants to make use of ball in hand, then the game is a stalemate, and the balls are reracked, broken by the same player that broke the stalemated game, and the game is totally crossed off the scoresheet like it never happened. Of course every scorekeeper keeps track of defensive shots separately for each game ha ha! Because those have to get crossed off too.

Personally, it is very hard to picture a situation in which I would not make use of ball in hand. Maybe if the opponents balls totally obstruct the 8 ball and are frozen to it, and its hanging in the pocket?

Hope it helps,

KMRUNOUT
 
Wow, I don't know how I hadn't heard that before. Thanks for letting me know. :rolleyes:

Guess I really havent been having fun all this time, after all. Who knew?
 
calcwby4u said:
apa sucks .... All their rules suck ... They play to keep you from getting better or to cheat by manipulating the handicap .... Unfortunately it's the only game in town for way to many ...

Again .... Apa sucks
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APA does NOT keep you from getting better, nor do they endorse cheating by manipulation of the handicap system. Only a person can decide if he or she is going to cheat or manipulate the system. I play APA 9-ball, and strive to reach higher levels. A team captain can tell you to lose, but only you can decide to go through with the loss.

APA may "suck" for some, but it is only because of the local product. Averages wouldn't be so high, or so low, if everyone had more integrity and played to their fullest ability every time. The system would level out and act as designed. Sadly, that is not the state of our world as it stands.

Josh
 
Buster8001 said:
APA does NOT keep you from getting better, nor do they endorse cheating by manipulation of the handicap system. Only a person can decide if he or she is going to cheat or manipulate the system. I play APA 9-ball, and strive to reach higher levels. A team captain can tell you to lose, but only you can decide to go through with the loss.

APA may "suck" for some, but it is only because of the local product. Averages wouldn't be so high, or so low, if everyone had more integrity and played to their fullest ability every time. The system would level out and act as designed. Sadly, that is not the state of our world as it stands.

Josh
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100% spot on!
 
plainbutt said:
The game is 8 ball with opponent on the 8 and the 8 is clustered with my last ball. He purposely shoots to miss. I get BIH and plays a soft safety. He again misses on purpose. I take BIH and again play a soft safety. He again shoots and on purpose misses. I finally attempted a bank, missed and he gets out.

What happens with no 3 foul rule if I played to miss, also? At what point does this become a stalemate? Or is this considered unsportsmen?
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I think you're asking the wrong question. If you have BIH with only two balls on the table, you should be asking yourself how you could have played for the win, not looking for stalemate or (erroneous) 3-foul opportunities. If you can diagram the situation we can give you specific suggestions, but from your description, you should expect to be able to play a safety with BIH in such a way as to both leave your opponent hooked, and at the same time separate the two balls so that if you get BIH again, you get out.
 
calcwby4u said:
apa sucks .... All their rules suck ... They play to keep you from getting better or to cheat by manipulating the handicap .... Unfortunately it's the only game in town for way to many ...

Again .... Apa sucks
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What's your problem, chump? Get anything stolen lately? Not that I care. ;)
 
Buster8001 said:
APA does NOT keep you from getting better, nor do they endorse cheating by manipulation of the handicap system. Only a person can decide if he or she is going to cheat or manipulate the system. I play APA 9-ball, and strive to reach higher levels. A team captain can tell you to lose, but only you can decide to go through with the loss.

APA may "suck" for some, but it is only because of the local product. Averages wouldn't be so high, or so low, if everyone had more integrity and played to their fullest ability every time. The system would level out and act as designed. Sadly, that is not the state of our world as it stands.

Josh
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right on!

--matthew
 
No three foul rule in the APA. when both players (and captains?) agree that it is a stalemate you re rack and do over. I believe the innings are continuous and you just keep counting
 
If there are only the 8 ball and one of your balls on the table there is an easy safe. Stand behind your ball, the 8 ball and place the cue ball on this straight line. Now hit a stop shot. The cue ball should stick to your ball while the 8 ball is sent to a rail. If the other player cannot kick at the 8 ball then you will get ball in hand and an easy run two ball run out.
The apa serves a certain purpose. It is a league that works well at getting beginners involved in league play. When you get better and you feel the apa no longer meets your interest in the game join a more advanced league like the bca or tap. Maybe help start an house league.
 
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Buster8001 said:
APA does NOT keep you from getting better, nor do they endorse cheating by manipulation of the handicap system. Only a person can decide if he or she is going to cheat or manipulate the system. I play APA 9-ball, and strive to reach higher levels. A team captain can tell you to lose, but only you can decide to go through with the loss.

APA may "suck" for some, but it is only because of the local product. Averages wouldn't be so high, or so low, if everyone had more integrity and played to their fullest ability every time. The system would level out and act as designed. Sadly, that is not the state of our world as it stands.

Josh
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it suck for me.there is a lot that in apa in there scoring
 
plainbutt said:
The game is 8 ball with opponent on the 8 and the 8 is clustered with my last ball. He purposely shoots to miss. I get BIH and plays a soft safety. He again misses on purpose. I take BIH and again play a soft safety. He again shoots and on purpose misses. I finally attempted a bank, missed and he gets out.

What happens with no 3 foul rule if I played to miss, also? At what point does this become a stalemate? Or is this considered unsportsmen?
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Butt,

Suggest you learn what the correct answer to your question really is. You did not know how to move the eight far enough away from your last ball to allow you to shoot it cleanly in a pocket. You stated you "softly" played safe several times. Moving the eight away with the cue behind your last ball is the answer! If the balls were in the center of the table it is still the answer. On the rail? Best Answer. Many new players fail to recognize this situation. Set the situation up for a good local seven and ask them to show you how to win. If not win, at least make life really difficult for your opponent by forcing them to kick at the eight! Sometimes they scratch.

Lyn
 
The problem with APA is only being able to start 23 total for a team. I think you would have a lot less sand bagging if this was not the case. It's hard for teams to find dedicated 2s,3s, and 4s to show up on a weekly basis. If they start playing weekly, they will likely go up.
 
APA does not suck, it's some of the players that want to cheat and manipulate the system that suck. I actually enjoy the APA. Playing as a 7 in 8ball is challenging to me and I like that. I enjoy playing my entire match at one time without breaks once I start..

It's not the organization that sucks. Usually it's the poor players that do all of the squawking and complaining, wanting everything to go their way.. YMMV
 
LSU1018 said:
The problem with APA is only being able to start 23 total for a team. I think you would have a lot less sand bagging if this was not the case. It's hard for teams to find dedicated 2s,3s, and 4s to show up on a weekly basis. If they start playing weekly, they will likely go up.
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I agree about the 23 rule but that not at all why people sandbag.

They sandbag to get more weight than they need to guarantee they can win thier matches without sweating it.

Unfortunately, that actually the whole fundation the game of bar pool is based on. :)
 
RRfireblade said:
I agree about the 23 rule but that not at all why people sandbag.

They sandbag to get more weight than they need to guarantee they can win thier matches without sweating it.

Unfortunately, that actually the whole fundation the game of bar pool is based on. :)
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There is no one I enjoy defeating more than a sandbagging 3 or 4. Even though I might have to spot them six to two, five to two or whatever, they still have to win at least two games against me. The last one received a two inning lesson.

Realisticly, without APA and TAP, pool would really be in the dumper. Don't like what some of the results are but I love the new players they bring to the game. I for one am happy (not proud) I'm an APA player.

Lyn
 
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