And notice none of the contact apps will ever give you the name of the person.
Apa not disclosing covid19 infected players???
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straight from the CDC:: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html
34,200 deaths 2018-2019 flue season. (looking at other numbers this seems like a typical year)
Only a second grade drop out thinks 34,200 is about equal to 184,000.
Put it this way: IF, totally hypothetical, I got it. I would feel obligated to tell every person I know I came into direct contact with(not just in passing), customers, friends and places I spend time at, that I had it and they should get tested. It just feels like that would be the right thing to do.
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Thats all fine, I'd probably do the same. But the difference is its your choice. Not someone telling the world for you, without your permission.
Let's say a restaurant server tested positive, and went home to quarantine. Should the restaurant owner put the server's picture on the front door, and say if you were served by this person, go get tested? Should the restaurant owner look at all the receipts from the server's shifts the prior 3-4 weeks, call the credit card company used to pay, explain the situation, and ask for the cardholder's phone number to contact them? (good luck with that). What about the customers who paid cash and there is no record of?
What about the supermarket check out person that you interact with fairly closely and touches all your bags and food? What should the market do if they tested positive?
What about the supermarket check out person that you interact with fairly closely and touches all your bags and food? What should the market do if they tested positive?
We are talking about people in a league that all know each other, maybe some just from league, but, most people from the same area and know one another. The situation you are bringing up is not the same. Not here to argue or be persuaded into what someone else thinks about it. I never said anyone had to agree with me and I already know I don't need to agree with anyone else. We all have our opinions, but, when my( and my lil family) have this type of stuff to worry about, disclosure is a must from my point of view. I actually dont even play APA. Never would, but, one of my helpers is avid in APA and I service 3 rooms that they all play in....
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What I find most intriguing about this thread is the notion that having covid has the same stigma as leprosy back in dark days of medical science... The whole argument centers around the idea that someone(s) would have problem admitting that they contracted a highly infection virus.
Is there a level of shame in the USA that comes with being covid positive...?
Is there a level of shame in the USA that comes with being covid positive...?
So you apprently trust the CDC, I have some doubts about their credibility. It just how I think, it also my right to question what I read.
Our government has a little history of telling untruths. So it why I tend to question some of the info being putout.
Have u ever been right about anything, ever. Here’s a tip, why not wait to chime in on stuff you understand rather than all the shit u have no clue on.
if the mods are sleeping he cant get away with it until they wake up.
I call it leaderboard posting, coco is posting to be on top of the leader board on AZ main. Like high scores in video games, it short lived.
C (Current APA procedure)
Bob (fake person) gets COVID-19 decides to only tell the APA, then the APA lets everyone know they've been in contact with someone who has COVID-19 and may want to get tested, but doesn't give them Bob's name, something any rational person would understand. Problem solved, right?
D (Also current procedure)
Bob and Jane (both fake people, not a couple or anything) get COVID-19 and deicde to tell only the APA, who then lets everyone know they've been in contact with someone who has COVID-19 and may want to get tested, but doesn't give them Bob's or Jane's name. What difference does it make whether you get it from Bob or Jane?
E (Why privacy matters)
Bob (fake person) gets COVID-19 decides to only tell the APA, then the APA lets everyone know they've been in contact with someone who has COVID-19 and gives everyone Bob's name. BrentFromBoston (also fake person) gets tested and it comes back positive. Brent decides he got it from Bob (even though Bob may have actually got it from Brent) and burns Bob's house down. Who is liable? Why is the name so important that you need to trample Bob's privacy?
F (Why respect of privacy matters)
Case E happens, then Jane gets tested and finds out that she also has COVID-19. She was at league on three nights but doesn't tell anyone because she likes her house. Half a dozen people contract the disease from Jane but don't show any symptoms, so they continue to spread it and eventually hundreds of people get it and some die because others didn't catch it early enough and spread it asymptomatically. Lives are lost because APA gave out the name. Without a good reason to provide the name, it would seem prudent not to. It might actually save lives.
Once again, you've given no reason why C is not sufficient. Five pages in and not a single reason why you need to know the name.
And if they don't know they have it? Following the logic, everyone should restrain from such activities, which is fine, but they're not, so...
And the location, who was also informed by APA, notifies him or provides his contact info to a tracer. Or the individual whose table he worked on notifies him or tells the tracer and they notify him. Then he finds out he may have been exposed. Why does he need to know the name? In case the person forgets to include him in the contact tracing? Then how did he get the name in the first place?
The only way knowing a name would help is if it were provided outside the contact tracing process, like in some registry maintained by the testing agencies. Then we could all check the registry periodically for people we know. But it doesn't help for people we don't know, and if the testing agencies are maintaining it how does it affect APA's policy? Everyone who notifies APA has been tested or is presumed positive, right? APA can only participate in contact tracing and adjusting schedules to prevent further spread.
And the personal attacks are unnecessary. I made an offer to help, help I have provided on other occasions. There is language in the Team Manual that originated here. But it's clear to me now that the OP doesn't want to help, he (among others) only wants to blame. I think his blame is misplaced.
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This was a comment on a "greenie" rep. left by someone on my page: "People do, in fact, have the right to know."
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p.s. I dont care who the particular couple is. It could be a bowling league and I would still expect to know who it was.
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p.s. I dont care who the particular couple is. It could be a bowling league and I would still expect to know who it was.
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Many times, but you memory is shot. I predicted the famous Desert Dustoff in Phoenix many years would become a train wreck. First Clue was move from original ensue, to Kolby, lost major sponsor, and it went down hill fast.
Member Holly cried the blues, I was worng, funny & sad thing for people who can, won, work it, like the TD. They got rubber checks.
Yes I can be right, sorry but you can search archives, or PM Jay Halfert he was TD.:grin:
Playing Devil’s advocate. Jane is sick, the APA knows and tells her to stop. Undeterred, she signs up for some non APA weekend tourneys and them joins the ACS league on Friday nights. Many folKs from APA also play in these weekend tourneys as well as play in the ACS league. But, they had no idea this person was sick, could not protect themselves, or warn others.
Stop with the burning down your house non sense. The Gov of NY sent sick people to nursing homes and nobody is chasing him down with pitch forks after his actions killed thousands of elderly folks.
Maybe the only way to stop the spread is giving everyone the most up to date info. Either we should know or not. We have to wear masks and close our businesses but we can’t be told who has Covid in our little pool community. Most folks I know including some hollywood types announce they have it, so you know to keep distance or if you had recent contact with them,,,, letting folks know you may have unintentionally infected them can’t really be a bad thing, can it. If I get Covid I will announce it in AZB..... be selfish not to.
It’s not like telling folks you have Herpes or some other STD.
Well when I had the Flu back in the 1970's the last time I had the common sense to stay home because I did not have the strenth to go to work. Felt like I went a round with Mike Tyson in a boxing ring, beat up for a few days.
Covid 19 have been hypeed out of porportion by the Fake News, and people with an agendas. Who do not care about the working class.
We now I know 14 people who went to get Covid 19 tested, filled out paper work, left because wait was too long, would not wait 2-3 hours for a test, went home, then got LETTER YOU TESTED POSITIVE. How could that be they gave no blood, snot saliva, but tested positive.
Maybe we should just deal with Covid - 19, like the Flu season, go about our business, open up everything, and return to normal.
BTW the long this goes on the more information we have been given by many of the Nuckelheads in the media has been found to be FALSE.
Let's start calling it the Gulf of Covid Hoax, or KUNGFU Flu Hoax.
JMHO. Do not like that, it OK it's just my opinion, tough tacos, plus my First Amernment Right.
BTW Playing pool in a commercial pool room has Been dangerous in the past, people have Been killed in pool room over history of USA. Its OK if you are afraid of everything to crawl into a safe pace, and live without leaving your safe space.
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So how did the APA find out she had it in the first place? Through contact tracing. Then Jane changes her mind and does some things that might or might not involve APA members who might or might not have been notified by APA. The only way to protect everyone who knows Jane from Jane if she changes her mind is to put her name in a registry, and that should happen outside of contact tracing if it should happen at all.
The burning down your house example was an extreme example just to illustrate that sometimes people do undesirable things with knowledge they don't need to have. If you want I could come up with a list of more 'reasonable' undesirable things that some people here would probably do. And because the governor isn't being chased with pitch forks that means what he did was what? Right? Wrong? Either way, I bet he doesn't do it again and I bet some people didn't disclose because of it, causing even more deaths.
Agreed. Right now it's a privacy issue, to be determined by the individual. Maybe that will change, but probably not.
We don't know that yet. Why do we not know who has an STD? Don't we DESERVE to know (especially from the Hollywood types :wink:, but I don't know a single one who has made that disclosure), so we can keep our distance (herpes is very dangerous to females)? Where do you draw the line? And if someone else disclosed the names of the Hollywood types, they would be the first ones out in the streets marching for privacy. They do what they think is responsible, but by choice and not by law. Jane could also make that choice. I don't disagree that she should make that choice. I just disagree that someone else should make that choice for her.
The only way to stop the spread is to cease all activity that could spread it. It's a virus that is highly contagious - it's gonna spread. We can slow the spread to something we're willing to accept, or develop a treatment that renders its spread moot, but we're not there yet. We're just trying to buy time.