Thank You TimKrazyMon
APA Profit
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Thank You TimKrazyMon
Roadking,
if you use the info Tim suggested then the L.O. would give up approx $14,000 to the APA and you can assume operating expenses can be approx 25% of gross revenue or another $17,000 or so (just a guess based on my business background)
Using those numbers then you have $54,000-14,000-17,000= $23,000 before taxes. If that is truly the case, I hope your L.O. has another job.
I agree with everyone that says that you are not going to find out exact numbers unless you contact the APA and ask about buying a league.
Leagueguy.
When I played APA the rumor was; Out of the $8 per person per week, $2 went to the pool hall, $2 to the APA, $4 to the League Operator. It truly is none of our business but it is interesting.
I wish the APA success because I believe they keep ALOT of rooms in business.
I wish the APA success because I believe they keep ALOT of rooms in business.
I've looked at this info before. If you own an APA Franchise you pay 20% of gross revenue back to the APA National office in royalities. So, in the given case of bringing in $70k they send $14k of that to the APA national office.
Can you make a lot of money in APA? Yes, if you have a large district. Many LO's do have other jobs.
Charlotte, NC for instance has on average about 900 teams playing at $35/week. With 3 14 week sessions a year that is $1.3m in revenue. $260k off to APA national office and that's $1m/year before exepenses. They also spend $128k/year sending 16 teams to Vegas and rent out a convention space 3x year with 80-90 odd Diamond's for City tournaments. But, even given that, they make a pretty good living. Some areas might only have 50 teams playing every week. For them it's a part time job for extra money.
Brian
Can you make a lot of money in APA? Yes, if you have a large district. Many LO's do have other jobs.
Charlotte, NC for instance has on average about 900 teams playing at $35/week. With 3 14 week sessions a year that is $1.3m in revenue. $260k off to APA national office and that's $1m/year before exepenses. They also spend $128k/year sending 16 teams to Vegas and rent out a convention space 3x year with 80-90 odd Diamond's for City tournaments. But, even given that, they make a pretty good living. Some areas might only have 50 teams playing every week. For them it's a part time job for extra money.
Brian
Stay away from the APA
I agree with cowboy. Remember the LO is a regional operator. The LO im my area has a region that is huge in distance and population. He has many leagues in his region. I really could care less how much money they make as long as it is honest and try to be fair. As I have said many times before for me it is crooked as a snake, a hustle, and long as they are brought up on az I will respond.
I agree with cowboy. Remember the LO is a regional operator. The LO im my area has a region that is huge in distance and population. He has many leagues in his region. I really could care less how much money they make as long as it is honest and try to be fair. As I have said many times before for me it is crooked as a snake, a hustle, and long as they are brought up on az I will respond.
If you don't like the Percentage paid back to the Players in the Payouts by the League Owner, the best way to VOTE is with your Dollars, and spend them else where.
Over the year I have been on this Earth I have encountered places, businesses I said to myself for one reason or other. I will never return there, or I will never spend money on their product, or I will never step foot in that Bar or Pool Room again for what I feel is a good reason.
So I just don't give them any of my money, and when some one asks about the place or product I share my experience.
I always knew you were an alien.
So exactly what is your experience with APA again? Since you were real quick to insinuate that APA is a license to steal, at the beginning of this thread...
Or is this just hearsay? Since "everybody" says so...
Finally.....someone posts the only correct answer......Kudos
APA Top Franchise
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Click on Costs and Fees.
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TimKrazyMon...Wow that is something new. When I was an APA LO 20 years ago, the LO kept NONE of the membership money. It all went to St. Louis. You're correct on the royalty percentage.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Still no reason for you to get upset
no skin off your nose.
If someone asked me how much i make i would say "none of your business"
i would not expect a bunch of my friends to get all upset about it.
I would be embarrassed if my friends all started whining about it.
What is the big deal with asking a question??
SLIM
no skin off your nose.
If someone asked me how much i make i would say "none of your business"
i would not expect a bunch of my friends to get all upset about it.
I would be embarrassed if my friends all started whining about it.
What is the big deal with asking a question??
SLIM
Re the people complaining about asking about how much money someone makes.
This is not secret info on how much a business earns. It's simple math. The part he didn't know was what gets paid to APA, which is public information the APA has put out there. It's quite easy to figure out gross revenue of a business. But, that doesn't give you how much the owner makes. We don't know things like operating expenses.
This is not secret info on how much a business earns. It's simple math. The part he didn't know was what gets paid to APA, which is public information the APA has put out there. It's quite easy to figure out gross revenue of a business. But, that doesn't give you how much the owner makes. We don't know things like operating expenses.
What is your problem?
are you a league operator?
If you are tell roadking it’s none of his business & move on.
If you’re not why do you keep posting with nothing but negative crap.
There is no reason to post with insulting comments just to ge a rise out of people.
A question was asked.
We know how you feel:
You're smart, everyone else is stupid.
There are a lot of posters like you & you and they add very little to this forum
SLIM
are you a league operator?
If you are tell roadking it’s none of his business & move on.
If you’re not why do you keep posting with nothing but negative crap.
There is no reason to post with insulting comments just to ge a rise out of people.
A question was asked.
We know how you feel:
You're smart, everyone else is stupid.
There are a lot of posters like you & you and they add very little to this forum
SLIM
i think a big reason why most are hostile to these types of threads is, they have been done to death. you have a newer join date and lower post count so if you weren't an avid reader of this forum before you joined and started posting, you haven't seen the non-stop threads on this and many other things APA.
most of the people who start these threads are pissed off because they in some way feel cheated by the APA and don't think they get enough back. i am not saying that is your issue, that's most people's gripe. i don't know why you are asking and i am not reading through every page to find out. your reasons are your own and no one needs to know why you are asking (imo).
the best answer has been given. only someone who owns a franchise really knows what they make and what they spend. and i don't think anyone will readilly give out that answer to you. and i don't think they will becasue frankly, it's a little rude to ask what someone makes. i don't talk to my friends about how much they make and if they ask me i will gladly tell a close friend to piss off it's none of their business.
that being said i defend your right to ask the question. i don't like the question, but i think you should be allowed to ask with out being thrashed. i am just asking you to understand that maybe it's not a question to ask in public. maybe if you talked to a few operators you knew personally that would be a better place to get the info you're looking for. and if they won't tell you then maybe try to understand why.
if you have an absolute burning desire to know you can go to the APA's national website and there is a link to become a franchise owner. contact them, and if you ask in a professional manner with some interest i am sure they would be happy to help at least a little. ask what they charge to buy an area, and the percentages they take out of the fees you collect. you can then do the rest of the math yourself. come up with a number of players, multiplied by what you yourself pay in dues. then multiply by one night a week, four weeks a month and deduct what percentage they take. to be safe deduct another 10 percent for the fees to the room owner and i'd say you have a safe bet of what you'd be left with for yourself. out of that you have to pay your expenses and taxes and the rest is yours.
most of the people who start these threads are pissed off because they in some way feel cheated by the APA and don't think they get enough back. i am not saying that is your issue, that's most people's gripe. i don't know why you are asking and i am not reading through every page to find out. your reasons are your own and no one needs to know why you are asking (imo).
the best answer has been given. only someone who owns a franchise really knows what they make and what they spend. and i don't think anyone will readilly give out that answer to you. and i don't think they will becasue frankly, it's a little rude to ask what someone makes. i don't talk to my friends about how much they make and if they ask me i will gladly tell a close friend to piss off it's none of their business.
that being said i defend your right to ask the question. i don't like the question, but i think you should be allowed to ask with out being thrashed. i am just asking you to understand that maybe it's not a question to ask in public. maybe if you talked to a few operators you knew personally that would be a better place to get the info you're looking for. and if they won't tell you then maybe try to understand why.
if you have an absolute burning desire to know you can go to the APA's national website and there is a link to become a franchise owner. contact them, and if you ask in a professional manner with some interest i am sure they would be happy to help at least a little. ask what they charge to buy an area, and the percentages they take out of the fees you collect. you can then do the rest of the math yourself. come up with a number of players, multiplied by what you yourself pay in dues. then multiply by one night a week, four weeks a month and deduct what percentage they take. to be safe deduct another 10 percent for the fees to the room owner and i'd say you have a safe bet of what you'd be left with for yourself. out of that you have to pay your expenses and taxes and the rest is yours.
If you want ot make money playing pool (payback to your team at the end of the season) than quit playing in leagues... Practice and then do head to head matches for whatever you want. Nothing beats walking into a place with $40 bucks and leaving with $400 :thumbup:
No pool league on the planet will ever give you anything worth your wild in the end.. Even if you beat the livign snot out of every team you play all year round. Like said above. Got out of the league and play in regional tourneys and gamble heads up... Pull out your bits and lay them on the table.
No pool league on the planet will ever give you anything worth your wild in the end.. Even if you beat the livign snot out of every team you play all year round. Like said above. Got out of the league and play in regional tourneys and gamble heads up... Pull out your bits and lay them on the table.
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