APA "Quarter Sharks"

ElCorazonFrio said:
RJ,

I completely agree with you. It's a move that shows poor sportsmanship.

I was playing a cheap set with a buddy, it was hill-hill and he was down on his second-to-last shot and I pulled the money out of my pocket. I was 15 feet away from him and not directly in his line of sight, but he flubbed the ball. I immediately knew that he had noticed me pulling out the money, so I swept the balls and handed them to him...and apologized.

To everybody who says that this shouldn't affect a person because others can play with chickens running around and loud louts around: This would affect me more than a lot of things because I have respect for my opponents. I respect them enough to expect for them to respect me and the game enough to not interfere while it is my turn. I can forgive someone who is ignorant, but once I've educated them, there is no excuse.
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Great reply, it shows that you know proper etiquette, respect the game, and your opponents. Also sounds you like you would be a decent guy to shoot a few games with. The OPs whole point is not about being able to win while chickens hump your leg but about respect for your opponents and the game, something many players are a little short on. It sounds like he gives them the benefit of the doubt by telling them about their questionable tactics, it is up to the opponent what he chooses to do with this new found info and will show whether they guy is a dick or just simply did not know proper pool etiquette. Hopefully the quarter clackers become educated and pass this info along so everyone can learn to be a better opponent win or lose.
 
Even the APA must have some rules in place for opponents to keep away from the table and not moving around or making moves like they are conceding. Point out those rules and next time enforce whatever the penalty is for the conduct. If they are approaching the table on your shot, especially on the game ball, that is conceding the game.
 
hang-the-9 said:
Even the APA must have some rules in place for opponents to keep away from the table and not moving around or making moves like they are conceding. Point out those rules and next time enforce whatever the penalty is for the conduct. If they are approaching the table on your shot, especially on the game ball, that is conceding the game.
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You'd be amazed at what you will see on league night lol. I never took it serious whatsoever it was just a party night for me and IMO best way to approach leagues like the APA.
 
hang-the-9 said:
Even the APA must have some rules in place for opponents to keep away from the table and not moving around or making moves like they are conceding. Point out those rules and next time enforce whatever the penalty is for the conduct. If they are approaching the table on your shot, especially on the game ball, that is conceding the game.
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There are such rules, but these are considered "sportsmanship" rules and they are dealt with at the administrative level. That is to say you have to complain about the person and it generally goes no where, maybe it gets a warning if it continues after a warning then something is a little more likely to happen. But (probably only in the APA where there is no official at each table every night) the rules concerning such violations are subjective so other than some angry words there is no immediate foul.
 
"Quarter Sharks"

I play league in a pool room now, But I do remember APA Bar league. Quarter fetching/tapping is the least of it in bars ! Usually its the guy's GF prancing by your OB's pocket, or some strange sound just as you follow-through in your stroke. The wooden chair "scratch" on the floor was a favorite it seems. (oh, sorry,.................. were you shooting? I was just going to the bar) says one of your opps teamamtes. Had this one Captain that would crowd you at the table during your match. (IE: Get right in front of you ALL THE TIME. It was like watching a match from 10 rows back in some bleachers.) Guy was just as big as me, so it would have been"whadda ya mean" or a confrontation for sure) :mad:

Just put up with it or quit,.... you'll get used to it...... :D
 
Sometimes I really enjoy reading APA threads here, cuz it makes me appreciate the place I play even more. :p

We play APA on 9-foot tables, no coins required.

The closest we ever get to the scenario RJ has is in one of the rooms we play in, the rack hangs on the wall, and occasionally someone will go to get the rack while his opponent is still shooting the last ball. Not cool either, but not as annoying as what RJ describes...and yes, some people take the chalk off the table to chalk their cue after they have shot and missed. Doesn't bother me as I keep my Magic Chalk (heh heh) in my pocket, but I've seen it go on enough that I understand the annoyance.

While our folks here occasionally make some faux pas that violate the standard protocol (one of the more aggravating to me is people walking right by our table when we are down on a shot, civilians are one thing but the league players ought to know better by now...one room the tables are quite close and while its difficult to avoid going near a table in progress, they could at least wait till the player has shot) for the most part things are pretty civil here. Even APA....
 
cleary said:
The rest of the world the table is surrounded by people betting and talking... chickens walking around by your feet but y'all can't handle someone getting out quarters. You deserve to lose if that sharks you.
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So, then there are NO rules in "sharking". Like a previous poster said, I then can swing my cue right over his head while he's shooting and tell him, hey, folks play with chickens at their feet, how could this possibly annoy you ??

I didn't say it sharked me, nor did I miss. But if there are "no" rules, they won't like what I have in store for them next time ;)
 
vacation said:
Where are you playing with a three quarter table set up? Only place I can think of around here is Rudy's in Aurora.
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VFW in Batavia. They have 4 Diamond Tables. Plus, we have to travel, so we have a tiny bar in S.Elgin with 2 pretty crappy Valleys.

But, like someone pointed out, they conceded the match, so I will NOT shoot next time just to make a point about sportsmanship. I mean, if they never learned, it's a much needed lesson.
 
RJ your own teammate Andy just got banned from the league for sharking and douchery, so there is a certain point where you can't do whatever you want while the other person is shooting. I played in that batavia league for a few years up until last session, couldn't handle playing in the VFW anymore.
 
ChicagoRJ said:
So, then there are NO rules in "sharking". Like a previous poster said, I then can swing my cue right over his head while he's shooting and tell him, hey, folks play with chickens at their feet, how could this possibly annoy you ??

I didn't say it sharked me, nor did I miss. But if there are "no" rules, they won't like what I have in store for them next time ;)
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I just think Americans in general are soft. Sorry.
 
Celophanewrap said:
It's possible this is a regional thing. Where is this in the rule book, I'd love to point it out to some people.



I believe this is correct, though it's widely accepted that breaking down your cue is concession. However, this is the APA and I am often surprised how many APA members aren't aware of simple etiquette and basic rules, or have basic common sense, so even though you may not agree with how it might be, if you're going to play in the APA it is a good idea to familiarize yourself with the APA rules.
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I just looked it up, it is in the regional FAQs. I actually got my area wrong, it's Mid-North Florida. Anyway, here's what it says -

"If the hosting team location’s tables are coin operated, do we have to pay to play? No. All host locations must agree to open their tables for match play. If a host location refuses or is unable to open their tables for match play, the League Office should be notified immediately."
 
Many tables are coin op by me. Some are open, some mgmt. gives us the money and some we get almost enough to play, lol. We use the 10-15 balls whenever needed/possible at those bars.
 
People pulling silly shark moves doesn't surprise me... You having to pay for table time at leagues does. There isn't a single bar in York that doesn't open the tables for leagues. I guess I'm lucky.
 
sixajd said:
I just looked it up, it is in the regional FAQs. I actually got my area wrong, it's Mid-North Florida. Anyway, here's what it says -

"If the hosting team location’s tables are coin operated, do we have to pay to play? No. All host locations must agree to open their tables for match play. If a host location refuses or is unable to open their tables for match play, the League Office should be notified immediately."
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I wish they'd consider doing that on a national level. Sometimes it can be a real pain in the ass
 
Bruggs said:
RJ your own teammate Andy just got banned from the league for sharking and douchery, so there is a certain point where you can't do whatever you want while the other person is shooting. I played in that batavia league for a few years up until last session, couldn't handle playing in the VFW anymore.
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Yep, he did indeed get banned for the season. If you heard the entire story, I was the first one to jump up and tell him to pipe down. I tried to be nice to him too. But he was telling me he can "talk" to another teammate even though it was quite obvious his words were meant for the opposing player.

I had enough of his crap as well and he needs to grow the F up. He's actually lucky the other players boyfriend had already left, cause it would have been the worlds fastest fight ;)

He is allowed to come back for the playoffs, and he's a pretty strong 4 and would be a big help. But we do NOT want him back, just not worth the aggravation.

PS: Now that someone supplied the rules, it's conceding the game, that makes it quite easy. Game Over. No fuss, no mess :)
 
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ChicagoRJ said:
So, just to be clear. Sharking good. Americans suck. Got it. :rolleyes:
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No, I'm saying there is no such thing as sharking. If you let something bother you, that's your fault. Sure, if I punch you in the face as you shoot... That's messed up but if I'm sitting in my chair breathing too hard and you miss, that's on you. Everything is a damn "shark move"... Either people need an excuse for why they missed or they're too damn sensitive and let everything get to them. When I miss, it was because of me. If you're lighting fireworks off in your chair, that's not why I missed.
 
cleary said:
No, I'm saying there is no such thing as sharking. If you let something bother you, that's your fault. Sure, if I punch you in the face as you shoot... That's messed up but if I'm sitting in my chair breathing too hard and you miss, that's on you. Everything is a damn "shark move"... Either people need an excuse for why they missed or they're too damn sensitive and let everything get to them. When I miss, it was because of me. If you're lighting fireworks off in your chair, that's not why I missed.
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I'm one American who agrees with you. But then again I'm one that believes in personal responsibility which seems to be growing more rare in this country at this point.
 
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