APA rule call 8 ball

So I read this post incorrectly then? Which is completely plausible - I might have took "rule" in the wrong context

your opponent was wrong. the only time you have to shoot from the kitchen is if your opponent scratches on the break....after that you get bih anywhere after a scratch.

what he stated to you is a bar rule...but just like leagues...rules vary from region to region.
 
yeah that much i understand - hence us playing APA not bar rules (the bar in question has a bunch of err..abstract rules ha, depending on who has control of the table)

ok thanks all I sort of knew it wasn't a rule - but wanted to be sure

Maybe the other poster meant it was an old shark move for years ago - not an actual "rule" from twenty years ago - not to say it still wasn't a wack move to try and call in now, twenty year later either ha

Ok cheers all - enjoy your holidays
 
If you have a smartphone with internet access, you can bookmark APA, BCAPL or other league rules so you have it handy.

APA
http://media.poolplayers.com/TMRB/2014-Rulebooklet.pdf

https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/apa-cpa-8-ball-9-ball-game/id902013500?ls=1&mt=11

APA Team Manual
http://media.poolplayers.com/TMRB/2014-Team-Manual.pdf

https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/official-apa-cpa-pool-leagues/id902020611?ls=1&mt=11


BCAPL
http://www.playcsipool.com/bcapl-rules.html


Always one or two jokers in the crowd. Always carry APA and BCAPL rule books in my case just for fools like the one you played. In the old days, that was an intentional move if your opponents ball was in the kitchen and they had no other legal ball beyond the stripe. Haven't seen or heard of that rule in use in over twenty years!

Merry Christmas.

Lyn
 
With respect to Brooklynplayer's earlier remark on marking the pocket... I play APA and not just anything can mark the pocket if playing by the book. You can't mark it with anything that is a recognized currency i.e. not coins or dollars or even poker chips that have a value printed on them. Even a wallet is not allowed to mark a pocket in our APA... if under strict rules.
 
ha - here goes with some more clear "rules" ha - oh these "rules"

I'm looking at the APA rule book and it only states for 8 ball:

To properly mark the pocket, a coaster or some other reasonable object
(to avoid confusion, we do not recommend marking the pocket with chalk)

Am I missing something? I actually don't play APA rules that much - mostly BCA hence some of my confusion
 
With respect to Brooklynplayer's earlier remark on marking the pocket... I play APA and not just anything can mark the pocket if playing by the book. You can't mark it with anything that is a recognized currency i.e. not coins or dollars or even poker chips that have a value printed on them. Even a wallet is not allowed to mark a pocket in our APA... if under strict rules.

This is likely a local rule put in place by your LO. In fact, by the "letter of the law" (so to speak), you can mark your 8 ball pocket with anything including, but not limited to, coins, paper money, wallets, purses, a botthe of mustard, a shoe, chalk, or pretty much anything else as allowed by the team manual. Local rules may be put into place that would over ride this rule, for example, apparently in at least a portion of California it is not permitted to mark your 8 ball pocket with any type of currency. On a national level, however, this rule is not applicable. I've seen these local rules come up to bite some teams in national tournaments. One thing I'll do when playing an opponent that has been particularly obnoxious, if the opportunity presents itself, if my opponent shoots and misses the 8 and leaves his marker on the table, if I shoot the 8 at the same pocket, I won't mark the pocket and just let his marker sit as the marker. I love it when they yell I didn't mark the pocket. I simply show them the rule about the pocket already being marked.
To the OP, I'm pretty sure in your situation that clown was try to take advantage of you being unsure of the rule. I hope you get to play him again.
 
ha - here goes with some more clear "rules" ha - oh these "rules"

I'm looking at the APA rule book and it only states for 8 ball:

To properly mark the pocket, a coaster or some other reasonable object
(to avoid confusion, we do not recommend marking the pocket with chalk)

Am I missing something? I actually don't play APA rules that much - mostly BCA hence some of my confusion

You aren't missing anything, narking the pocket is very simple and causes far too much angst here.

And I've never heard of anyone playing APA rules outside of an APA match actually enforcing the mark your pocket rule. What they usually mean is slop counts, and take what you make on the break. Its how they play at league and they just wanna keep playing the same way....
 
Apa nationals ruling

This is likely a local rule put in place by your LO. In fact, by the "letter of the law" (so to speak), you can mark your 8 ball pocket with anything including, but not limited to, coins, paper money, wallets, purses, a botthe of mustard, a shoe, chalk, or pretty much anything else as allowed by the team manual. Local rules may be put into place that would over ride this rule, for example, apparently in at least a portion of California it is not permitted to mark your 8 ball pocket with any type of currency. On a national level, however, this rule is not applicable. I've seen these local rules come up to bite some teams in national tournaments. One thing I'll do when playing an opponent that has been particularly obnoxious, if the opportunity presents itself, if my opponent shoots and misses the 8 and leaves his marker on the table, if I shoot the 8 at the same pocket, I won't mark the pocket and just let his marker sit as the marker. I love it when they yell I didn't mark the pocket. I simply show them the rule about the pocket already being marked.
To the OP, I'm pretty sure in your situation that clown was try to take advantage of you being unsure of the rule. I hope you get to play him again.

Played this past August in Vegas at the nationals and had a team call a foul on my teammate after making the 8 ball having marked the pocket with a silver dollar.
We called ofer a reff and was told that you can use anything except a weapon.
I played next, playing the guy who had call the foul.We went double hill. I got on the 8 ball and marked the pocket with my bottom denture, LEGAL MARKER per APA
We one that match.
 
Played this past August in Vegas at the nationals and had a team call a foul on my teammate after making the 8 ball having marked the pocket with a silver dollar.
We called ofer a reff and was told that you can use anything except a weapon.
I played next, playing the guy who had call the foul.We went double hill. I got on the 8 ball and marked the pocket with my bottom denture, LEGAL MARKER per APA
We one that match.

dang near spit my drink all over the keyboard....lmao. !!!

my experience these last 5 years in apa has been boring compared to some of you guys.

i have only had a disagreement one time with some one and it was with a former team mate that i have known since day one in apa.
 
not only is it ball in hand anywhere, but back in the days before BIH anywhere after a scratch, if the only ball you had left was in the kitchen, and you have ball in hand in the kitchen, then that ball is spotted on the foot spot. Otherwise, it is a huge advantage in some circumstances to scratch, and a scratch should never penalize the other player. So if he says you have to shoot from the kitchen, then you should take the 8 ball and spot it,then shoot it.
 
It's only BIH behind the line on a scratch on the break......... after that it is always BIH anywhere on the table after a scratch...............

read the rule book

Kim
 
not only is it ball in hand anywhere, but back in the days before BIH anywhere after a scratch, if the only ball you had left was in the kitchen, and you have ball in hand in the kitchen, then that ball is spotted on the foot spot. Otherwise, it is a huge advantage in some circumstances to scratch, and a scratch should never penalize the other player. So if he says you have to shoot from the kitchen, then you should take the 8 ball and spot it,then shoot it.

This is great - yeah this is the sort of info I was looking for too - even though it was a slimy move on my opponent's side to play what I think was an intentional scratch then pull out an old, unused rule, I would love to have some knowledge like this to use next time they try it - just even to see the look on someone's face ha

Cheers and merry christmas all
 
This was EXACTLY the situation - so it indeed was a rule at one point?

By bar rules, yes. Meaning no rules, just what someone overheard someone else say about a rule their uncle used in the Army once 15 years ago.

There were official behind the line on a scratch rules, but in those rules if your ball was also behind the line, it got spotted so you can shoot at it. Anything else is just giving the player fouling a huge advantage which makes no sense at all.
 
10. FOULS -- If any of the following fouls are committed, the penalty is "ball in hand" for the incoming player. make certain you have "ball in hand" before you touch the cue ball by confirming with your opponent. "Ball in hand" means you are allowed to place the cue ball anywhere on the table (with the exception of fouls on the break which result in "ball in hand" behind the head string) and shoot any of your balls (or the 8, if all your category of balls has been pocketed.) Even after placing the cue ball, a player may, if not satisfied with the placement, make further adjustments with the hand, cue stick or any other piece of equipment. A foul is called only if the player fouls while actually stroking the cue ball, meaning a double hit of the cue ball (sometimes called double clutching). Without this rule, a player could benefit by accidentally or purposely scratching or fouling.


You got taken

I love the wording in this rule. This is why I pick up the rack and use it to move the cue ball around after I place it on the table. My opponent always jumps up and yells "WTF!!" but I point out this rule and the section about using "any other piece of equipment" to move the cue ball. Makes me laugh every time. :)
 
Like I said earlier, it was never a rule. Bar rules/house rules can be anything...but they are not real rules.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

This is great - yeah this is the sort of info I was looking for too - even though it was a slimy move on my opponent's side to play what I think was an intentional scratch then pull out an old, unused rule, I would love to have some knowledge like this to use next time they try it - just even to see the look on someone's face ha

Cheers and merry christmas all
 
like i said earlier - we were playing APA, not bar rules - there is an APA league in the same room, the same night - this was just after hours.

I've played the same player in BCA straight pool in another room.
 
Played this past August in Vegas at the nationals and had a team call a foul on my teammate after making the 8 ball having marked the pocket with a silver dollar.
We called ofer a reff and was told that you can use anything except a weapon.
I played next, playing the guy who had call the foul.We went double hill. I got on the 8 ball and marked the pocket with my bottom denture, LEGAL MARKER per APA
We one that match.

Dentures, nice marker. I don't believe there's anything In the manual that says you can't mark with a weapon, likely another local rule the ref tried to Implement or maybe something put in at the tournament, though I thought they were supposed to go strictly by the book.
Anyhow, depending on the opponent and their attitude, sometimes the marker thing is the bigger (and more obnixous) the better, you know.......
 
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