APA should be Sanbagging inc. -

Marcl3954 said:
I know someone who should be a 7 but is a 4. He'll run up innings and miss on purpose.
Blow easy posisition, mis cue, mess up the break, just stay a 4.
Then he plays in tournaments and doesn't miss.
I can't understand how it can be enjoyable to have to play bad.
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This is what I think Sandbagging is.
Some people can make it an art form.
If you don't know them, you'd never know how good they actually are!
 
Someone pulling some shots out of their ass while a supposed better player might be feeling the pressure of the big match doesn't necessarily mean the player who pulled the shots off is a sand bagger.

A really good player wouldn't get so out of line so he'd have to pull out 2 bank shots in order to run the rack. You don't see this kind of thing from the great player because they don't need to pull the 2 rail carom shot off. They stayed in line and figured out how to break that cluster.

People are always going to make an excuse when they were "supposed"to win. Pressure and competition brings out the best or the worst in a player. I know my play was at both extremes during the week. I caught a gear in my first match and in the last one you'd have thought I never held a cue before. I just couldn't handle the pressure of the entire tourney and the hopes of 6 otherr people riding on my cue. I failed and we had 2 days in Vegas to sight see instead of stooting for the big prize.

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ejasons said:
It seems there seems to be some confusion as to what sandbagging is.

As in the just-posted story, where the 6 was "beaten easily by a 3". Seems to me that, if the 3 goes around "easily beating" higher level players, I don't see much sandbagging going on. Sandbagging implies hiding one's true speed; that doesn't seem to be the case here.

There was an earlier story about a 3 running the table -- "she even made two bank shots during her run". Would you expect a *good* player to have to make two bank shots when running out a table? Hell, do you expect that the good player would even be a good bet to make two bank shots on a POS bar table? Or, perhaps, the 3 just got on a roll, strung a few good shots together, got a bit of luck by making a couple of bank shots that she wouldn't regularly make, and got an improbable table run? (Not to mention that a "sandbagger" wouldn't run a table -- what do you think, she sandbagged for years to get down to a 3, all to culminate in a single match against you, where she let it all out, and showed her true speed?)

Not to say that there isn't sandbagging going on in the APA -- there is, and it is a definite problem. These are just very poor examples of such...

FWIW...
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If that was their City Cup or playoffs then it is a perfect example of sandbagging
 
"QUOTE" And while strategy will vary from captain to captain, most of the time, players will be matched up with someone of similar skill.


Depends on what league your in for that to happen.
I played APA for 3 years and am a SL 7.........i played more 2`s and 3`s than should be allowed. Every team ducked me and sacrificied their weaker players each week. I got bored and felt like it was actually hurting my game since i had no challenge on a weekly basis.
 
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ejasons said:
It seems there seems to be some confusion as to what sandbagging is.

As in the just-posted story, where the 6 was "beaten easily by a 3". Seems to me that, if the 3 goes around "easily beating" higher level players, I don't see much sandbagging going on. Sandbagging implies hiding one's true speed; that doesn't seem to be the case here.

There was an earlier story about a 3 running the table -- "she even made two bank shots during her run". Would you expect a *good* player to have to make two bank shots when running out a table? Hell, do you expect that the good player would even be a good bet to make two bank shots on a POS bar table? Or, perhaps, the 3 just got on a roll, strung a few good shots together, got a bit of luck by making a couple of bank shots that she wouldn't regularly make, and got an improbable table run? (Not to mention that a "sandbagger" wouldn't run a table -- what do you think, she sandbagged for years to get down to a 3, all to culminate in a single match against you, where she let it all out, and showed her true speed?)

Not to say that there isn't sandbagging going on in the APA -- there is, and it is a definite problem. These are just very poor examples of such...

FWIW...
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These are examples where these players performed in the play-offs......in regular league play, they lost a few matches and ran up innings in order to keep their handicap low and incorrect to their speed....

In the example of a 6 playing a 3:

A 3 can run 2-3 balls of an 8 ball rack at a time.....their position play and safety play are weak......a true 6 is a much stronger player, running 5-6 balls every open trip to the table and a threat to run out....that is why the race between the two players is like 5-2....

A true 3 cannot run 3 racks of 8-ball in a month, much less 3 in a night.....to put it in perspective, a 3 beating a 6 at 3-0, basically running the table each time....well, it's kinda like me beating Efren 3-0 in 1 pocket, running out 3 games in a row......
 
From my sports back ground I learned, the captain of a team had the job to help every player get better so the team could win. If you do that in the APA the only thing you will do is make your team (that you worked so hard to make better) split up. Its one or the other, if I cant work with my players so we can win (and they can have some fun becoming a better player) then I will teach them how to win in a way our team can stay together.

We are talking about pool right I didnt know "getting a little weight" was against the rules. I thought people have been trying to hide their true speed from the first day...
 
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