APA Skill Level vs Win Percentage

Maybe I'm not understanding what you are trying to do with this graph. If you took into account everyone in your league, the stats should equal out to 50% overall. 1 person wins and 1 person loses each match. I agree that it would be very interesting to see winning percentages for specific handicap vs specific handicap(how does a 4 fair against a 5). This sounds like a lot of work for someone to do though. I do appreciate you taking the time to make your graph, I'm just not sure what it shows.

Andy
 
I think a lot of it depends on the situation. Whether you know the players on the opposing team makes a big difference. For the most part I always tried to have the matchups the same skill level or one off vs people we had never seen before. If I do know them, then know their strengths and weaknesses and who on my team would have the best chance of success against them. The strategy could also change based on whether it is a regular league night or say finals to go to vegas. Say we are up 2-0 and they throw a 7 since they are on the ropes. If I had to choose between putting up a 2 or a 7, then I would put up the 2 because they may have a better chance of winning vs a 7 than they would vs say a 3 or 4. If the 2 loses I would still have the 7 in reserve. If I put my 7 against there 7 and lost, then there is still the 2 to worry about vs whoever they have to play. Those situations dont come up very often though, so general rule would be to try to get players of the same skill level playing eachother.
 
hon400ex said:
Maybe I'm not understanding what you are trying to do with this graph. If you took into account everyone in your league, the stats should equal out to 50% overall. 1 person wins and 1 person loses each match. I agree that it would be very interesting to see winning percentages for specific handicap vs specific handicap(how does a 4 fair against a 5). This sounds like a lot of work for someone to do though. I do appreciate you taking the time to make your graph, I'm just not sure what it shows.

Andy
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It shows that the SL3's through SL6's win approximately 50% of the time in his area which is close to ideal. I haven't played APA in a while but I'm pretty sure I can get stats for my area to compare. Might be interesting.

My problem with the "Equalizer System" is that LO's have the capability to override the system. I would prefer that the system work strictly on player statistics and that no adjustments to handicap would be allowed. If a person is manipulating their handicap by sandbagging, they should be warned and then suspended or banned. Adjusting computed handicaps can give the impression of favoritism. :cool:
 
dr9ball said:
Since you say you are way above and beyond any of the players in that league, how do you match up with Ike Runnels? Not sure if Ike still plays APA but he used to and I think he still hits them pretty sporty.
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Ike has been banned from playing in the APA.
 
Interesting stats.

I was an SL7 when I played and I only lost a few matches in 6 - 7 sessions of normal APA and Masters. But from what I saw when playing some of the city wide tourneys, there is a wide range of 7's (or 9's in 9 ball), since that's the cap it's hard to judge how good a 7 (or 9) really is. Minus sandbagging, the other ranks are a little easier to classify I think.

I would agree that for a typical 7 it might be tough to consistently fade the handicap and that a 60% - 70% win rate might be expected. Then the only challenge is being able to play the 7 to meet the point cap... :)

Scott
 
RunoutJJ said:
Well Im an SL8 and in 20 matches Ive only lost one match and it was due to cheating. Well that and it got to me mentally and I let my opponent win by giving his cheating arse too many chances :angry:

The APA is for chumps and bangers and I will never play in any of their events ever again... I hate to say it but Im am way above and beyond any of players in that league.

Sorry to be a jerk or come off as conceded but it is what it is.. A league for cheaters cry babies and douchebags that dont want to go up a level... If they do they get kicked from the team.. The APA can piss off!!! :groucho:
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I am not one to stick up for APA but your post is downright ignortant. You played 20 matches (probably in one league) and you are now writing all APA players off as chumps and bangers? Do you realize how stupid that is? 250,000 people play APA. Not to mention in the league I play we have a couple players that also play BCA as a Master. Would you say a BCA rated Master is a banger?
 
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TheNewSharkster said:
I am not one to stick up for APA but your post is downright ignortant. You played 20 matches (probably in one league) and you are now writing all APA players off as chumps and bangers? Do you realize how stupid that is? 250,000 people play APA. Not to mention in the league I play we have a couple players that also play BCA as a Master. Would you say a BCA rated Master is a banger?
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He's been spewing the same crap for the past couple of years, take it for what it's worth.. nothing. I could think of plenty of local APA players that would fight for a chance to take his money. As Scottjen said, there are 7s and 9s.. and then there are strong 7s and 9s. He's an 8 that thinks he's the big dog.. needs to get out of his yard once in a while. I'm a 7/9 and I have no problem acknowledging that there are better players in my area's APA and it wasn't their fault that I didn't reach that s/l earlier. :cool: Lemme know when TAR wants an APA match added to their line-up. :p
 
I actually had a long rant about various aspects of Runout's post but figured it would just derail the thread big time. Yes there can be a big difference between strong 7s and weak 7s but I cannot think of a single 7 I considered to be a banger. Heck most 6s play well but are lacking in some of the strategy aspects of barbox 8 ball. Maybe our definition of bangers isnt exactly the same.
 
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My team's doing fairly well so far, this is our 9b for this session:

SL MP MW Rank Points SL Group Rank Win % SL Group
5 6 4 25 20 All 9 67% All
6 5 3 39 15 All 19 60% All
9 9 7 1 50 All 6 78% All
3 7 4 39 15 All 26 57% All
5 4 1 71 7 All 75 25% All
4 8 5 35 17 All 17 63% All
2 10 9 11 26 All 2 90% All
2 5 2 75 6 All 56 40% All

It's difficult to know when somebody's better matches are going to drop out of their last 20 or how all of the other factors are going to change things. I've seen people lose a bunch of matches and go up, while others win and go down. Wins and losses don't show how they perform, and even the details(innings, etc) don't always explain how things happened. A bit disappointed with our opponent from yesterday, marking our 2 up for 15 D's for a 16 inning match. My captain wasn't too happy.. but he just needs to make a note on the paperwork. I was a little irked that they'd add defenses, but it just turned to an eye-roll after learning it was marked as all but one inning.
 
TheNewSharkster said:
I am not one to stick up for APA but your post is downright ignortant. You played 20 matches (probably in one league) and you are now writing all APA players off as chumps and bangers? Do you realize how stupid that is? 250,000 people play APA. Not to mention in the league I play we have a couple players that also play BCA as a Master. Would you say a BCA rated Master is a banger?
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Excuse me???
 
nine_ball6970 said:
I actually had a long rant about various aspects of Runout's post but figured it would just derail the thread big time. Yes there can be a big difference between strong 7s and weak 7s but I cannot think of a single 7 I considered to be a banger. Heck most 6s play well but are lacking in some of the strategy aspects of barbox 8 ball. Maybe our definition of bangers isnt exactly the same.
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Have you seen my headin?
 
RunoutJJ said:
What stopped me from becoming a 9 is me not playing league anymore.. That's why..

I went from a 6 to an 8 in one week and then I quit a few months after that. I was rated so high that they never played me due to the 23 rule.

23 rule :rolleyes:
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The problem you describe is one with your team, not the league. You need to create a team that covers all of the skill levels. I am a 9 and made sure to only play on a team with a 1 or a 2, and plenty of 3's. My team is 9, 6, 4, 4, 3, 3, 2. That way, I can play most weeks if needed. I know it sucks when you can't play because of the #'s. The league structure is no different than any other game with its own set of rules. You can't ignore the rules and then complain about the result. It may be that that game just isn't for you. But as one who has been a 9 for many years, it can be done, and can be enjoyable.

KMRUNOUT
 
I went up from SL7 to SL8. The only time the extra ten balls was a problem was when I played against a certain strong SL7 player. He was a tough opponent when I played him even when we were both 7's. He beat me the first match 15-5. I beat him the second match 14-6.

nine_ball6970 said:
I don't think you will have much of a problem going to an 8 unless it is mental. The extra ten balls might change the final score of a couple matches but usually won't change a win to a loss. If you just focus on making balls and not the score you should be fine.
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i pulled up my double jeapordy teams stats. i found that the lifetime stats all hung around the 50% area. this session has 3 weeks left and i found some suprising results.

ronny
4 in 8 ball 54% lifetime 42 % this session
4 in 9 ball 47% lifetime 20% this session

pam
3 in 8 ball 44% lifetime 38 % this session
3 in 9 ball 54% lifetime 59 % this session

buddy, thats me
5 in 8 ball 55% lifetime 46 % this session
4 in 9 ball 60% lifetime 76 % this session

rusty
3 in 8 ball 52% lifetime 55 % this session
4 in 9 ball 59% lifetime 55 % this session

david
6 in 8 ball 46% lifetime 33 % this session
7 in 9 ball 54% lifetime 67 % this session

lester
4 in 8 ball 59% lifetime 67 % this session
4 in 9 ball 42% lifetime 14 % this session

carl
6 in 8 ball 53% lifetime 60 % this session
5 in 9 ball 52% lifetime 80 % this session

this session we have some way over and some way under their lifetime stats, that is supprising to me.
 
Ron Moore said:
Poor ole Lester must really hate 9 ball!
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dont know if he hates it but as you can see he is not very good at it.

to be fair to him i got to give you his background. he is a bar banger who is in his 2nd session of apa 9ball. his 8 ball stats are pretty good.
 
Alot of you know I am new to pool Only been playing a couple of sessions. If you average my 8 and 9 im close to the 50% mark this session. I am an SL2 and am shooting at 40% in 8 ball and 67% in nine. Im finally figuring it all out this session and it's nice to see it all start to come together on the table!! :smile: Course if I just wanted to be a ball banger I'd never be learning how to make shots and get shape......... on purpose
 
DonsSmidget said:
Alot of you know I am new to pool Only been playing a couple of sessions. If you average my 8 and 9 im close to the 50% mark this session. I am an SL2 and am shooting at 40% in 8 ball and 67% in nine. Im finally figuring it all out this session and it's nice to see it all start to come together on the table!! :smile: Course if I just wanted to be a ball banger I'd never be learning how to make shots and get shape......... on purpose
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welcome to the forum. i like your positive attitude.

you will find a lot of guys on here willing to give your pointers and can steer you in the right direction to find lots of usefull info like youtube instructional videos or books etc.

dont let the league bashing world beaters on here who can obviously spot a pro the 7 get to you.:grin:
 
Thanks lorider. I have been getting alot of good pointers on this forum already. The beauty of working third shift is by three am Im usually so bored at work azbilliards gives me plenty to read :grin: I have a really great "teacher" and I play against him every day, and friends of ours and other league players and non league players of varying degrees of skill as often as possible. I acutally love getting my butt kicked over and over and over and being their rack chick..... cause I learn by watching what they do and I also know that the one chance I get at a shot well I better do pretty damn good or Im racking again!!!!! Ive even finally gotten to break on purpose recently LOL!! I've a long way to go, I know that. I also know I will never be a pro level player and thats cool. I just want to be the best that I can be........ and find my game not someone elses.
 
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