Apa tournament.. Do I have the right to be a little pissed?

trob

trob

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So let me start by saying this is my first apa tournament. It was the local tournament for the opportunity to play in the regional tournament for Vegas. I only have about 12 games in apa 9 ball. These are 8 man single elimination tournaments. I never had to really keep score and was lucky the first two rounds because someone else did until the finals...
So here is what happened. I'm playing in the finals against a 6 and I'm an 8. So I have to get to 65 before he gets to 46. With the score being either 10 10 or 11 9 I look up after breaking and see our league operator looking at our score sheet and my opponent gone. I said where did he go. He responds to the bathroom. Whos gets marked for innings. I said I don't know. I won the break ...he says okay and that's it. He doesn't mark anything. Now if he would have stopped it right there and said you guys have to mark innings even in a tournament (which btw my opponent should have known ...he's been playing apa for a while) I would have started the match over ... No big deal our fault. But he said nothing and btw looked at the score sheet like 6 or 7 more times during the match and never said a word that we weren't marking anything but balls made UNTIL I'm winning 62 to I think 24 and aiming an 8 9 combo with the 9 laying in the hole to put me on the hill with the break. He says you guys have to play this over! You weren't counting innings. I said wth didn't you say that early in the match when you were keeping score ? he didn't answer. Just insisted we had to play over. I played a rack or two but then forfeited. I was to angry we played for nothing and the fire was out. Being the player I am I PROMISE you If I was being beaten like that I would have shook my opponents hand and said dude you played great and deserve to win and forfeited. I feel I was the only one punished because he got a 2nd chance and before that it was over and he knew it.
I do take responsibility for not keeping score right being new to this league. I did think about it for a moment half way through the match but then thought well the league operator didn't say anything so maybe you don't have to for a tournament. How the hell do I know lol. I'm new to this!

Oh well. I only have one more match in apa unless my team makes it to the tri cups. I only played for my wife and while it was fun the 9 ball apa is really set up for lower level players and punishes you for being good which at its base is my fundamental problem.

Live and learn :smile:
 
It stinks for sure but...

IMO you could have taken a break from play and confronted the LO.You should have asked him why he was checking your score sheet and if you should start counting innings at that time.
 
Regardless of the reason, quitting a match is NOT the way to go. Play it out no matter what the outcome, even if the LO or tournament director or whoever else is wrong in their call. Write it off and keep marching... IMHO
 
Yeah, that does stink.

We never count innings in end-of-session play. (Best of The Best tournies.)

I haven't competed in Singles Qualifiers, so I don't know if they do that here or not. Probably have to count innings in that, I suppose, for handicapping reasons as you move along. I'm sure more experienced folks will be along shortly to add their .02.

That's too bad, that it had to go down that way.
 
Sorry about that! My hubs and I are in 9ball and 8ball apa leagues. I've never had to keep score at 8ball. I've yet to win a single 8 ball match. Which is the opposite of my 9 ball games. I do think that you may be to blame however, I can understand your thinking at the time. Hindsight is always 20/20.

Best of luck on the rest of your matches and hope to see you in Vegas soon! :grin-square:
 
I did think about it for a split second half way through the match but then thought well the operator didn't say anything so I guess it's not a must do for a tournament.

I'm usually not a quieter but it was a kick in the gut and mentally I was fried. My two matches before we're those kind of matches where the roles went against me and I had to really bear down and grind it out. So I guess this pushed me over the edge.
 
FWIW, I can understand the part about being too upset to continue playing. Why put forth the effort when the fire's no longer lit? I've been involved long enough in APA to know that just when you think you've seen everything.........

One thing I've learned about anything in life, especially pool leagues/tournaments, is to ask a LOT of questions. At the point the LO (who imo is totally remiss in this situation) came over, two things should have happened. 1.) The LO should have made things perfectly clear at that point, and 2.) You should have asked some questions concerning the scorekeeping.

Sorry it turned out the way it did. Sounds like you were on your game the first go-round.

Maniac
 
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Yes, innings must be counted at all Singles Qualifiers, at all levels...county, region, state....etc.

Your opponent should have known this if he had participated prior.....and yes the LO should have said something when he looked at your scoresheet.....I'd of been mad, but would have played it again....yet I also understand your state of mind. :mad::mad:
 
You said this is your first APA tournament, did you ask the LO, TD, or if that is not an option an experienced player, before the games how things ran, what needed to be done?

When I go to a new tournament I've never been in before, I ask rules, if I'm handed a score sheet, I ask what needs to be done, etc.

It sounds as if you are accepting 0 responsibility, and the quitting thing was rather lame-o


trob said:
So let me start by saying this is my first apa tournament. It was the local tournament for the opportunity to play in the regional tournament for Vegas. I only have about 12 games in apa 9 ball. These are 8 man single elimination tournaments. I never had to really keep score and was lucky the first two rounds because someone else did until the finals...
So here is what happened. I'm playing in the finals against a 6 and I'm an 8. So I have to get to 65 before he gets to 46. With the score being either 10 10 or 11 9 I look up after breaking and see our league operator looking at our score sheet and my opponent gone. I said where did he go. He responds to the bathroom. Whos gets marked for innings. I said I don't know. I won the break ...he says okay and that's it. He doesn't mark anything. Now if he would have stopped it right there and said you guys have to mark innings even in a tournament (which btw my opponent should have known ...he's been playing apa for a while) I would have started the match over ... No big deal our fault. But he said nothing and btw looked at the score sheet like 6 or 7 more times during the match and never said a word that we weren't marking anything but balls made UNTIL I'm winning 62 to I think 24 and aiming an 8 9 combo with the 9 laying in the hole to put me on the hill with the break. He says you guys have to play this over! You weren't counting innings. I said wth didn't you say that early in the match when you were keeping score ? he didn't answer. Just insisted we had to play over. I played a rack or two but then forfeited. I was to angry we played for nothing and the fire was out. Being the player I am I PROMISE you If I was being beaten like that I would have shook my opponents hand and said dude you played great and deserve to win and forfeited. I feel I was the only one punished because he got a 2nd chance and before that it was over and he knew it.
I do take responsibility for not keeping score right being new to this league. I did think about it for a moment half way through the match but then thought well the league operator didn't say anything so maybe you don't have to for a tournament. How the hell do I know lol. I'm new to this!

Oh well. I only have one more match in apa unless my team makes it to the tri cups. I only played for my wife and while it was fun the 9 ball apa is really set up for lower level players and punishes you for being good which at its base is my fundamental problem.

Live and learn :smile:
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tommyceilings said:
You said this is your first APA tournament, did you ask the LO, TD, or if that is not an option an experienced player, before the games how things ran, what needed to be done?

When I go to a new tournament I've never been in before, I ask rules, if I'm handed a score sheet, I ask what needs to be done, etc.

It sounds as if you are accepting 0 responsibility, and the quitting thing was rather lame-o
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If you read it again I said I do except some responsibility... I should have asked but seeing the lo keep score for a moment 2 rounds in and not say anything to us was a sign to me that you didn't need to. I don't know how everyone is but when I'm playing in a tournament I lose myself in the game. I don't see or hear anything but what's going on at that table. My total focus is making balls and getting position.

Btw I did speak to the other lo today (we have two). And he said they both feel terrible ... The really were hoping that I would win from the outset because they wanted me to goto regionals and he has no idea what he was thinking not asking why we weren't scoring properly two racks in.... Oh well. Shit happens. I'll getem next time :wink:
 
trob said:
If you read it again I said I do except some responsibility... I should have asked but seeing the lo keep score for a moment 2 rounds in and not say anything to us was a sign to me that you didn't need to. I don't know how everyone is but when I'm playing in a tournament I lose myself in the game. I don't see or hear anything but what's going on at that table. My total focus is making balls and getting position.

Btw I did speak to the other lo today (we have two). And he said they both feel terrible ... The really were hoping that I would win from the outset because they wanted me to goto regionals and he has no idea what he was thinking not asking why we weren't scoring properly two racks in.... Oh well. Shit happens. I'll getem next time :wink:
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LO must not have felt too terrible. All he had to do was remind you to mark innings when he was looking at your score sheet. Sounds like you might play in the same area as I do. :rolleyes:
 
I don't know why he just wouldnt have allowed you and your opponent to agree on the number of innings played. Stupid LO. I will also say that you are stupid too! You could have easiely asked about the rules before you started playing and avoided the whole situation.
 
Someone definitely dropped the ball by not informing you of that stuff.

Keeping innings is more important in the tournaments than in the matches, it's helpful to catch sandbaggers. You can get disqualified if you suddenly play a lot better in tournaments than you did during the season. They don't want a guy playing like a 6 for most of the season, padding his innings, then going into a tournament and running five racks. So they look very closely at innings during these tournaments to see if someone is putting up much lower inning numbers than they used to.
 
I'm going to say some things you probably don't want to hear.

It is your responsibility to know the rules. There is no partial responsibility. This goes whether you are playing in a tourny or matching up. Being uninformed I guess gives you some plausible deniability. If things don't work out the way you want, you can always blame someone else because they didn't tell you the rules. Or, at least partial blame.

Grow a heart. Giving up because things are not going the way you want is the worst thing you could do. If you give up once, it just makes it easier to give up the next time and the time after that will be even easier.

As my dad use to tell me: "adversity builds character, you and only you get to decide which character wins out".

Just a few thoughts

Steven
 
God I don't think anyone really reads the main post before commenting. Lol I think I said more then once that I take responsibility. Also I'm not a quieter. Hell in the 2nd round I needed 20 something balls and the 6 I was playing needed less then 5 and I came back to win. I felt I won and didn't need to play again to prove it ...also I felt I got penalized for not scoring properly while my opponent who is an experienced apa player got rewarded. It is partially my fault...I'll be sure not to make the mistake of not asking plenty of questions next time.. Live and learn ya know.
 
Trob I read your whole post but obviously there were some that didn’t; here is just a suggestion, if you would paragraph it out into 3-6 line paragraphs it would be a little easier to read; maybe more of these lazy readers would “take more of it in”.

I would be so pissed it wouldn’t even be funny. I would not accept someone just “not saying anything” when I asked them a question.
 
I should have named the thread half pissed at the apa lo half pissed at myself lol
 
trob said:
I should have named the thread half pissed at the apa lo half pissed at myself lol
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Or more accurately, half pissed at that particular APA LO, who dropped the ball.... :p

Nice to see you have a good attitude about it, at least now
 
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You have the right to be pissed.....

.... at yourself.

For at least two reasons:

A) Know the rules of any game/tourney you enter.
B) You couldn't fade the League Op nullifying the results without properly marked innings and QUIT.

Sour grapes, but you'll get them next time.
 
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