APA vs BCA team champions
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Handicapped teams vs Non-handicapped teams...I don't think it would be pretty for the APA guys if they couldn't work out some kind of spot.
would that include master league players ? they play under a non- handicapped format.
I don't know how you would make it fair, but it'd be worth a try.
Team Champions!!!
If they played even up,,,,or with the highest BCA spot possible.(I think its 15 balls a round) The APA team would lose,,,BIG TIME!!!
Even if used the APA handicap system (with out the roof of course) The APA team would lose again. Probably 5 sevens ,,playing 1 seven and many other lower variations. (not fair but you asked)
Its not fair to try to match them. But to answer the question,,the APA team would lose --------------------> Period!!!
I can't think of a way you could give enough weight where the APA team could win!! Unless you brought in a blind fold!!! lol
If they played even up,,,,or with the highest BCA spot possible.(I think its 15 balls a round) The APA team would lose,,,BIG TIME!!!
Even if used the APA handicap system (with out the roof of course) The APA team would lose again. Probably 5 sevens ,,playing 1 seven and many other lower variations. (not fair but you asked)
Its not fair to try to match them. But to answer the question,,the APA team would lose --------------------> Period!!!
I can't think of a way you could give enough weight where the APA team could win!! Unless you brought in a blind fold!!! lol
How would it even be remotely close?
A BCA team with 5 incredible players, and a group of players whose skill level can't go over a certain predetermined number 22, 25, 27 whatever it is now.
The 5th best player on the BCA team can easily dispatch 4 of the 5 members of the APA team. Maybe, just maybe he might have a problem with their 6 or 7 but highly unlikely on a championship BCA team.
A BCA team with 5 incredible players, and a group of players whose skill level can't go over a certain predetermined number 22, 25, 27 whatever it is now.
The 5th best player on the BCA team can easily dispatch 4 of the 5 members of the APA team. Maybe, just maybe he might have a problem with their 6 or 7 but highly unlikely on a championship BCA team.
UR right Flash 100% even if you gave 5 or 6 balls a round (per player), the only possible chance would be for their 6/7 to ERO the BCA guy and that would be with 5 to 6 per round.
The 2s,3s,4s they wouldn't even have a small chance
The 2s,3s,4s they wouldn't even have a small chance
I'll take my 7, 2 6's & 2 2's and play what ever regular team you find BCA or otherwise and then you come tell me we don't have a chance. Some of you people are a plain joke. No league is better or worse than any other, there's not enough top players anywhere to make a single league or division so great that they'd beat any team they matched up against.
And by the way that is one of my real line up's available anytime I choose to play it. I win 3 matches on any given night and we win it all.
Black Cat :angry:
And by the way that is one of my real line up's available anytime I choose to play it. I win 3 matches on any given night and we win it all.
Black Cat :angry:
Well, from what I understand you can usually disregard the handicap of whatever team wins APA Nationals. That being said, I would suspect the BCA Champions would have to be a favorite, especially if this match was going to be played on Diamond BB's.
a 7 (2-6's and 2 - 2's you dont stand a chance against any of the top 10 teams...
I got 5 apa 7's that will give bca champs a run for the money, spot us 15 balls a round and they will not like it.
Not really apples to apples....
An APA all star team would certainly be competitive with this years BCA Open champions. But any sort of normal APA team, even the winning team would obviously have no chance. Last years winning APA team is from my neck of the woods and there 2 best players would be underdogs against the 2 weakest of the BCA champions.
An APA all star team would certainly be competitive with this years BCA Open champions. But any sort of normal APA team, even the winning team would obviously have no chance. Last years winning APA team is from my neck of the woods and there 2 best players would be underdogs against the 2 weakest of the BCA champions.
Having played in local leagues, NPBA, VNEA, BCA and APA at various times since 1966, I can say that more top players nowadays play BCA, VNEA and ACS than APA. There are certainly great players in APA, but most don't care for the system. I've played on several league teams that would match up well against the top five APA players in the country. It would be interesting to see what rules the teams would choose to use in a BCA-APA match-up!
I will agree with that,,,,, you would then have a match on hand. Is there something that would make you think ,you still need 15 balls??
Now,,, one problem I see. Get 5 APA 7s in the same room and it might take a few hours of arguing about who the captain is,,lol and about taking the slop away. ( no champion BCA player is going to play slop)
It would be a good match though.:smile:
I see your strategy but you are out gunned not matter how you look at it. Do you really think that team can beat 5 BCA 9's? Or if you converted it to APA,,,,,,, 5 sevens??
They are not meant to be matched up. And if they were,,,it's a matter of what handicap system to use. Well at least that's what comes to mind.. But it does not make a difference.
It's just not a fair match-up.
Tell me what rules,handicap system is used where your APA team has a chance to win,,where in this scenario you are playing 5 APA 7s.
Plus how does 5*7 = the APA # rule? You said APA team which means you have to play by the number of points allowed on one team.
If you take 5 7's then you don't have an APA team, you have 5 people who are 7's in the APA. And even then you can get played by teams.
Just of the top of my head, there is a super team in MN, IN, OH, and a few other places. When I say super team, I mean top to bottom no weaknesses, people who would match up with 99% of all pool players.
You've got Bowman teams, Nevel teams, J Miller Adkins team, and 2 really good Indiana teams.
Also some of those really good players are the 7 on an APA team so can't pull double duty.
Brickyard here in town has a wonderful set up for just such an event if you think you have the players, would be fun to sweat.
If you take 5 7's then you don't have an APA team, you have 5 people who are 7's in the APA. And even then you can get played by teams.
Just of the top of my head, there is a super team in MN, IN, OH, and a few other places. When I say super team, I mean top to bottom no weaknesses, people who would match up with 99% of all pool players.
You've got Bowman teams, Nevel teams, J Miller Adkins team, and 2 really good Indiana teams.
Also some of those really good players are the 7 on an APA team so can't pull double duty.
Brickyard here in town has a wonderful set up for just such an event if you think you have the players, would be fun to sweat.
if you are talking about taking the roof off and not limiting the the apa team to 23 i call bullshot that the apa team has no chance. i'll take 5 sl 7's from around here in atlanta and one or two from other areas and put 'em up. some of them play bca, but they are "7's" in the apa as well.
the thing that kills the apa is the 23 limit on handicaps. if you take that out and let people play open as in the apa masters division you wind up with the same levels of teams as the bca. the only difference in apa masters and bca is the number of players. apa masters play a 3 player team and bca use a 5 man team.
But then you are cherry picking. You aren't taking an APA team.
The thread is APA vs BCA team, not pick the master's champ and then add the open champ, plus take the mixed double team + the super single (my head hurts from all this math)
It's APA team against BCA team and in that I believe it's a conscenous that APA falls well short. If you let BCA cherry pick, well then that would be 5 of the best players in the world.
The thread is APA vs BCA team, not pick the master's champ and then add the open champ, plus take the mixed double team + the super single (my head hurts from all this math)
It's APA team against BCA team and in that I believe it's a conscenous that APA falls well short. If you let BCA cherry pick, well then that would be 5 of the best players in the world.